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Old 10-23-2009, 06:40 AM   #1
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Clutch too sensitive

I have had my ss man for about 6 weeks now,
and still can't get used to the clutch.
It feels like it is engaged or disengaged with no in between
I've been driving manual transmissions since
before auto came out , i've owned about 6 manual
cars.
Problem is clutch is so sensitive that it requires
very slow engagement or it will stall out the engine.
Also shifting requires a different procedure to coordinate
throttle, clutching,and shifting from gear to gear.
It's embarasing to stall at a light with someone behind you.
It doesn't happen every time though, I even keep my left
heel on the floor to steady the engagement.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:16 AM   #2
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Intially I had a few problems as well, I stalled a few times, wasn't sure of the right rpms's bc my old car was different. It will start to break in for you and then you should have no problems, BTW how many miles on the car
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:29 AM   #3
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Mine is sensitive, but nothing that can't be compensated and gotten used to after just a few miles and shifts.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:34 AM   #4
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Noticed the same thing. Not with stalling any more but more with trying to take off fast. Like at the friction point to full engagement, there is such a small amount of travel. It is hard to realy get a fast start without riding the clutch.

Also when shifting from 1st to 2nd you realy have to be careful on how you release clutch and accelerate without jerking. Have done better with practice. You can't just release clutch then throttle. But feather it in. All the other manuals I have owned have never been this sensitive. I agree with your observation.

Maybe it's like Allen Iverson said "We talkin about practice."
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:46 AM   #5
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Hmmm- I just started driving a stick again after many years but no problems. I only stalled the car one time at a stop light. Getting better at shifting too. Not as jerky- just takes time. I would agree it is a little touchy but no complaints here. Love the power of a stick and the smooth ride.

Only issue I notice is it makes you shift from 1st to 4th quite a bit unless your really on it in 1st.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:08 AM   #6
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Only issue I notice is it makes you shift from 1st to 4th quite a bit unless your really on it in 1st.
That is the CAGS (computer aided gear selection AKA skip shift) kicking in. You can remove it with a skip shift eliminator or a tune.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:18 AM   #7
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I just have the seat set to where my leg only pushed the clutch to the point where it will disengaged with my leg all the way out and it makes it alot less stressfull when letting the clutch out
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:58 AM   #8
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My last manual was a 1999 Saturn SL1. The first few miles in the SS were a challenge for sure. You just need to experiment with different ways of engaging the clutch and using the accelerator. It should be an easy transition to the Camaro 6 speed. Good luck.
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Old 10-23-2009, 04:06 PM   #9
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Glad to hear

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Intially I had a few problems as well, I stalled a few times, wasn't sure of the right rpms's bc my old car was different. It will start to break in for you and then you should have no problems, BTW how many miles on the car
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one,
I thought it was just me. Same as with the
the jerking when shifting from gear ro gear.
I have just turned 1 K drove it today,and tried different
ways, I think the biggest problem is having the radio too
loud and not being able to hear the revs come up
without looking at the tach, and keeping my left heel
on the floor to better support engagement
Thanks for the reply
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:08 PM   #10
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I must admit I'm having a little difficulty with the sensitivity as well, but I'm getting better. I too have owned and driven plenty of manual transmissions. Even though it's a little touchy, I really, really love this car....the best I've ever owned!
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Old 10-23-2009, 05:33 PM   #11
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I must admit I'm having a little difficulty with the sensitivity as well, but I'm getting better. I too have owned and driven plenty of manual transmissions. Even though it's a little touchy, I really, really love this car....the best I've ever owned!
I have owned many new cars, mostly performance
and have not had one I enjoy more than this one,
I may be an old fart [67] but I still feel the same as
I did when I got my first new one a 60 Impala 348
triple carb 4 speed.
The clutch is only a minor. I wouldn't say problem
or inconvinience but I will get it down the more miles
I put on it

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Old 10-23-2009, 06:01 PM   #12
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Take the return spring out and then it's smooth in and out....constant pressure...
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:27 PM   #13
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Anybody that says this clutch engagement in the Camaro is normal is making excuses, because it just plain ain't for shit. You should not have to "get used to" squat. Drive a Porsche, or even a Subaru WRX, or even my 70 Chevelle with Rockcrusher to find out how it should be. Clutch should be intuitive and a natural coordination of a stroke of your left leg and your right foot, You should not have to train your leg to do jack (compensate for anything) especially engagement points.

Anyone that comes up with a fix or adjustment I'll beat a path to their door
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:01 PM   #14
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Glad to hear I'm not the only one. I stall the car quite a few times since I got it a month ago.
Getting better now but for a moment I thought I had no tallent driving a M6.

btw... will stalling hurt the transmission? or it just hurts your pride
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:09 PM   #15
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Until reading this post I thought I had just lost the touch. It seems to be that throughout the travel of the clutch there is about a two inch window to engage and disengage. I have stalled mine on more than one occasion.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:09 PM   #16
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I'm with you fellers.

Nothing but manuals since 1970 (mostly Chevys and a 98 Trans Am LT1 six-speed) and I still stall my LS. It's only been a week, yet there is something about this set-up...just haven't figured out what it is.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:42 AM   #17
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I guess it depends on what you grew up with... For me this clutch setup is perfect! My GT500 was another story...
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:03 AM   #18
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Either mine is broke in or I just got used to it cause I dont really feel or have this issue anymore.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:58 PM   #19
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I posted about this problem about a week ago too. It's like you can't "feel" the car or what the clutch/throttle is doing. I feel like I am disconnected from it. Maybe it's because this is the first hydraulic clutch I've owned.

If I accelerate slowly, I can usually shift smoothly, but any more than that, my shifts wind up being very slow if I try to make them smooth. It's very hard to coordinate the clutch/throttle.

My daily driver 83 Z T-5 for the past 26 years shifts smooth as silk.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:04 PM   #20
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:04 PM   #21
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I posted about this problem about a week ago too. It's like you can't "feel" the car or what the clutch/throttle is doing. I feel like I am disconnected from it. Maybe it's because this is the first hydraulic clutch I've owned.

If I accelerate slowly, I can usually shift smoothly, but any more than that, my shifts wind up being very slow if I try to make them smooth. It's very hard to coordinate the clutch/throttle.

My daily driver 83 Z T-5 for the past 26 years shifts smooth as silk.

Thats what I have been saying as well, even with a season manual driver this clutch is not as intuitive as it should be We must all be used to mechanical clutches. For me, when you start releasing the clutch off the floor the damn thing should start moving, thats the way its been for 100 years.

However if you are really "on it" ....... i.e. breaking the law, yes, you hardly notice the engagement point idiosyncrasy
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:14 PM   #22
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However if you are really "on it" ....... i.e. breaking the law, yes, you hardly notice the engagement point idiosyncrasy
Yeah, definitely, if you go through the gears like you're racing, it's bang, bang, bang, just like old school.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:32 PM   #23
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Couple of things to consider;
the clutch disk takes about 500 miles to break in. (with norrmal driving, if ypou abuse it, it will not last as long) Friction factor will increase with that.

These cars have a "dual mass" flywheel to absorb vibration (do a Google seach for more info)

Some notes on application pros and cons:

The dual mass systems are designed to transmit less engine vibration to the driveline, and give a better more car like driving experience. They also reduce some of the jarring and stress on the transmission and remainder of the drivetrain. They work fine as long as the engine remains unmodified and the vehicle is not used/abused beyond manufacturers recommendations.

As soon as you start to increase the engine power over stock, or load the vehicle beyond design parameters, you run into problems. Dual mass flywheels are tuned systems and must be matched to the engine torque curve, engine resonant characteristics, vehicle load curves (including axle ratio/tire size calculations). They work by having a set of springs inserted between two rotating masses (thus dual mass). The springs are sized to soak up some of the resonant vibration from the diesel engine under load conditions. A dual mass fly wheel generally also contains an over torque friction release, so if it gets suddenly overloaded, rather than damage the springs, it slips. This works fine as a safety valve, but if it does it much it burns up. In short, overloaded they burn up and the springs get destroyed and they are worse than if it were a single mass FW.

The single mass part WILL tend to transmit more engine pulse (vibration) tot he drivetrain, and will seem a bit rougher. But it is straight forward to design a single mass flywheel and clutch package for pretty much any engine torque curve and vehicle loading combo you can come up with.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:41 PM   #24
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The dual mass systems are designed to transmit less engine vibration to the driveline, and give a better more car like driving experience. They also reduce some of the jarring and stress on the transmission and remainder of the drivetrain. They work fine as long as the engine remains unmodified and the vehicle is not used/abused beyond manufacturers recommendations.
Well, then I guess this isn't the cause of my shifting problem! I'm talking jerky just around the town, easy to moderate driving.

When I do get on it, it's rough, and I expect it to be.

I guess I'm just going to hafta get used to it.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:43 PM   #25
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Glad to find this thread. I don't like the clutch either. I have driven many manual vehicles in my 55 years and this is the hardest to get used to.
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