Sick of brake dust! - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

ssmike · 10-25-2009, 04:45 PM

Anyone else sick of constantly having to clean that disgusting black brake dust off their wheels and fenders? Why can't GM use a ceramic compound that's cleaner? My Toyota Tundra pick-up has them and the wheels are always clean and the brakes work awsome. Only had to replace the front pads after 80,000 miles so I don't think the ceramics wear out as fast. Any comments. I'm thinking of converting to ceramics, any performance, wear or squeeking issues?

SSOOCH · 10-25-2009, 05:31 PM

I hear a lot of people complaining about brake dust. I don't get much. I don't get it. Did Chevrolet use different pads at different times during production?

My new Camaro · 10-25-2009, 05:40 PM

i have the black 21s and u cant drive 5 miles after cleaning them and they look very dirty

ZZcamaro · 10-25-2009, 05:55 PM

I agree....

Get some HAWK pads and you will greatly reduce the dust...I have sold them to a couple of folks and they have been very happy...I personally had them on my 4th gen and they are an improvement.

Toastylicious · 10-25-2009, 06:07 PM

Ya i get alot of break dust too.. I guess ill just keep washing

Michael#1 · 10-25-2009, 07:22 PM

i am constantly cleaning my wheels as well...its a pain in the arse

CAM MAN · 10-25-2009, 07:23 PM

I do get some , But Not much.

coolman · 10-25-2009, 07:25 PM

Just don't use the brakes. Get A pair of reverse thrusters.

Xmicro_SS · 10-25-2009, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZcamaro

I agree....

Get some HAWK pads and you will greatly reduce the dust...I have sold them to a couple of folks and they have been very happy...I personally had them on my 4th gen and they are an improvement.

I got the Hawk Street Performance pads from ZZ and they are a VAST improvement when it comes to brake dust!

Blownhotrodder · 10-25-2009, 07:30 PM

Just switch the pads. The challenger guys were having the same issue with the brembos and alot just swapped pads with no ill effects except no/low dust.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 10-25-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssmike

Anyone else sick of constantly having to clean that disgusting black brake dust off their wheels and fenders? Why can't GM use a ceramic compound that's cleaner?

GM has durability, cost, and manufacturing issues to contend with; that's why. To be fair, the car stops quicker than a Vette, so I'd say they chose wisely.

That said -- feel free to switch to ceramic. The purpose of that compound is reduced dust, noise, and wear. I've heard good things about HAWK, and they should, at the very least maintain stopping performance.

ssmike · 10-25-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZcamaro

I agree....

Get some HAWK pads and you will greatly reduce the dust...I have sold them to a couple of folks and they have been very happy...I personally had them on my 4th gen and they are an improvement.

How much are the Hawk ceramics for a set? Will they wear the rotors out faster than stock?

RobAGD · 10-25-2009, 11:04 PM

Guys, I have the Brembo's on my RT ( did the complete swap what a PITA ).

The factory pads ( at least in the SRT ranks ) is damn close to a race pad, that is why you get the dusting and is some cases rotor scoring.

If these are the same pad ( any one have good pics of the OEM pads ? ) they need heat to work well.

If you goto a low dust pad you are also loosing some braking performance, if you don't need that extra bit o stopping power, a lot of SRT guys went with the Posi Quite pads which are a very low dust and most people could tell the braking difference but they wanted low dust. ( I managed to horde up a lot of good factory pads from this swap

)

The Factory 5.7l RT pads were damn good, lasted for ever and lived through 2 AutoX days and a road course event with out much issue, but they did fade badly after 3 very very hard laps at California speedways infield.

You need to decide what you want from the brakes and be honest and work from there because it will be a matter of what you will trade off.

-Robert

ZZcamaro · 10-25-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobAGD

Guys, I have the Brembo's on my RT ( did the complete swap what a PITA ).

The factory pads ( at least in the SRT ranks ) is damn close to a race pad, that is why you get the dusting and is some cases rotor scoring.

If these are the same pad ( any one have good pics of the OEM pads ? ) they need heat to work well.

If you goto a low dust pad you are also loosing some braking performance, if you don't need that extra bit o stopping power, a lot of SRT guys went with the Posi Quite pads which are a very low dust and most people could tell the braking difference but they wanted low dust. ( I managed to horde up a lot of good factory pads from this swap

)

The Factory 5.7l RT pads were damn good, lasted for ever and lived through 2 AutoX days and a road course event with out much issue, but they did fade badly after 3 very very hard laps at California speedways infield.

You need to decide what you want from the brakes and be honest and work from there because it will be a matter of what you will trade off.

-Robert

I am pretty sure that the factory pads are nothign special on our cars. The people with HAWK pads have seen an increase in stopping performance not a decrease.

RobAGD · 10-25-2009, 11:37 PM

Ok, maybe I miss read something, don't the SS's come with a brembo package ?

The SRT Brembo package is sick, and I would put those pads are borderline street pad ( if your wife is driving it she will almost never get them to temp ).

If someone could pull a pad and snap a pic of the back side there should be some good info there.

-R

OBSSEST · 10-26-2009, 12:15 AM

On other vehicles, every time I have switched to ceramic pads I start needing rotors. I'm guessing that they are harder, which would explain why they give off less dust, but sacrificing rotors for less dust isn't appealing to me.

Xmicro_SS · 10-26-2009, 04:08 AM

IF you get the hawk HPS, they do not beat up the rotors. Matter of fact they are less likely to warp due to less heat. Here is the page on them:

http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php

rickerda · 10-26-2009, 04:21 AM

Stay off the brakes, some dust is normal, If you getting a lot your spending to much time with you foot on the brake.

Try to driving without using the brake unless you're stopping. You maybe surprised how many times you are "tapping" the brakes when you don't need to. Also aware hard stops.
This should reduce the amount of dust on your wheels.

Xmicro_SS · 10-26-2009, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickerda

Stay off the brakes, some dust is normal, If you getting a lot your spending to much time with you foot on the brake.

Try to driving without using the brake unless you're stopping. You maybe surprised how many times you are "tapping" the brakes when you don't need to. Also aware hard stops.
This should reduce the amount of dust on your wheels.

I tell you, I use my brakes very rarely the way I drive and I had dust 5 minutes after I washed my car until I switched to the Hawk pads.

To give you an idea of how I drive, I have a 2006 Honda CR-V that I drive to work everyday 55 miles each way to NY City. I sit in Rush hour traffic. The CR-V is a manual 5 speed. I just changed my brakes at 100,000 miles and didn't even need new rotors.

Camar0wn3d · 10-26-2009, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolman

Just don't use the brakes. Get A pair of reverse thrusters.

I literally just lol'd.

Seriously though I gotta do something. The dust is insane.

coolman · 10-26-2009, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wh0rsep0wer

I literally just lol'd.

Seriously though I gotta do something. The dust is insane.

My wife has the v-6 and doesn't get much(I don't either haha...). Must be something to do with the brembos on the ss. I had brembos on other cars and didn't seem to get much. I don't do a lot of stop and go. That might be the diff.

linkwpc · 10-26-2009, 09:27 AM

Remember guys, you got four piston brakes! So you will get lots more brake dust then most other cars.

gabe74gt · 10-26-2009, 01:20 PM

yeah. that has always been a problem! do that else it wont work! you will need a good lubricant or rubbing! then it will be ok

BlackGT5 · 10-26-2009, 06:49 PM

The Camaro SS comes standard with a low-met (low-steel) friction material called HP1000/1 made by Ferodo which has a relatively high friction coefficient. The same pads are used on the Pontiac G8 GXP, 2004-08 Cadillac CTS-V & 2005-2009 STS-V. Low-mets by nature are very dusty due to their steel/copper and other abrasive raw materials. The non SS Camaro's come standard with an NAO (Ceramic) friction material which will be less dusty but have a lower friction coefficient.

ssmike · 10-26-2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xmicro_SS

IF you get the hawk HPS, they do not beat up the rotors. Matter of fact they are less likely to warp due to less heat. Here is the page on them:

http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php

Will these create less dust, they aren't ceramics.

10-25-2009, 05:31 PM	#2
SSOOCH "El Dictator" Drives: 08 HHR SS, 2010 Camaro SS/RS #16429 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 7,349 View My Garage	I hear a lot of people complaining about brake dust. I don't get much. I don't get it. Did Chevrolet use different pads at different times during production? __________________

10-25-2009, 11:04 PM	#13
RobAGD Drives: Dodge Magnum RT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Reston Posts: 60	Guys, I have the Brembo's on my RT ( did the complete swap what a PITA ). The factory pads ( at least in the SRT ranks ) is damn close to a race pad, that is why you get the dusting and is some cases rotor scoring. If these are the same pad ( any one have good pics of the OEM pads ? ) they need heat to work well. If you goto a low dust pad you are also loosing some braking performance, if you don't need that extra bit o stopping power, a lot of SRT guys went with the Posi Quite pads which are a very low dust and most people could tell the braking difference but they wanted low dust. ( I managed to horde up a lot of good factory pads from this swap ) The Factory 5.7l RT pads were damn good, lasted for ever and lived through 2 AutoX days and a road course event with out much issue, but they did fade badly after 3 very very hard laps at California speedways infield. You need to decide what you want from the brakes and be honest and work from there because it will be a matter of what you will trade off. -Robert __________________

10-26-2009, 04:08 AM	#17
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10-26-2009, 09:27 AM	#22
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ssmike BLACK is the new Chrome! Drives: 2010 2SS/RS RJT M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 4,778	Sick of brake dust! Anyone else sick of constantly having to clean that disgusting black brake dust off their wheels and fenders? Why can't GM use a ceramic compound that's cleaner? My Toyota Tundra pick-up has them and the wheels are always clean and the brakes work awsome. Only had to replace the front pads after 80,000 miles so I don't think the ceramics wear out as fast. Any comments. I'm thinking of converting to ceramics, any performance, wear or squeeking issues? __________________

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My new Camaro Drives: 2500 hd Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AR Posts: 297	i have the black 21s and u cant drive 5 miles after cleaning them and they look very dirty

10-25-2009, 05:55 PM	#4
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,708	I agree.... Get some HAWK pads and you will greatly reduce the dust...I have sold them to a couple of folks and they have been very happy...I personally had them on my 4th gen and they are an improvement.

10-25-2009, 06:07 PM	#5
Toastylicious My car goes Vrooom.. You? Drives: 2010 Rally Yellow Camaro LS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Everett Washington Posts: 135	Ya i get alot of break dust too.. I guess ill just keep washing

10-25-2009, 07:22 PM	#6
Michael#1 Drives: Black 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana Posts: 100	i am constantly cleaning my wheels as well...its a pain in the arse

10-25-2009, 07:23 PM	#7
CAM MAN Drives: ALL 5 GEN CAMAROS Join Date: May 2009 Location: SanAntonio Texas Posts: 741 View My Garage	I do get some , But Not much.

10-25-2009, 07:25 PM	#8
coolman Guest Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4,874	Just don't use the brakes. Get A pair of reverse thrusters.

10-25-2009, 07:30 PM	#10
Blownhotrodder Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,584	Just switch the pads. The challenger guys were having the same issue with the brembos and alot just swapped pads with no ill effects except no/low dust.

10-25-2009, 11:37 PM	#15
RobAGD Drives: Dodge Magnum RT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Reston Posts: 60	Ok, maybe I miss read something, don't the SS's come with a brembo package ? The SRT Brembo package is sick, and I would put those pads are borderline street pad ( if your wife is driving it she will almost never get them to temp ). If someone could pull a pad and snap a pic of the back side there should be some good info there. -R

10-26-2009, 12:15 AM	#16
OBSSEST Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS, Black Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sacramento Posts: 413	On other vehicles, every time I have switched to ceramic pads I start needing rotors. I'm guessing that they are harder, which would explain why they give off less dust, but sacrificing rotors for less dust isn't appealing to me.

10-26-2009, 04:21 AM	#18
rickerda Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chester VA Posts: 513 View My Garage	Stay off the brakes, some dust is normal, If you getting a lot your spending to much time with you foot on the brake. Try to driving without using the brake unless you're stopping. You maybe surprised how many times you are "tapping" the brakes when you don't need to. Also aware hard stops. This should reduce the amount of dust on your wheels.

10-26-2009, 01:20 PM	#23
gabe74gt Drives: 1998 Camaro Z28 A4 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: kansas Posts: 6	yeah. that has always been a problem! do that else it wont work! you will need a good lubricant or rubbing! then it will be ok

10-26-2009, 06:49 PM	#24
BlackGT5 Drives: 2009 Pontiac G8 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Motor City Posts: 4	The Camaro SS comes standard with a low-met (low-steel) friction material called HP1000/1 made by Ferodo which has a relatively high friction coefficient. The same pads are used on the Pontiac G8 GXP, 2004-08 Cadillac CTS-V & 2005-2009 STS-V. Low-mets by nature are very dusty due to their steel/copper and other abrasive raw materials. The non SS Camaro's come standard with an NAO (Ceramic) friction material which will be less dusty but have a lower friction coefficient.