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Old 03-21-2012, 10:45 AM   #576
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Thanks Pete

The dealer as decided to try the insulator and see if helps after providing the P/N 20859337 was GM number and it supersedes the old black type of insulator.

Have a good day and thanks again for the prompt answer.

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It helps with some cars, but when we install our lowering coils or coilovers we chuck those in the spare parts bin and have no noise. We have done 6 cars in 2 weeks at one Texas shop. Not a noise to be found.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:30 AM   #577
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LET US KNOW!!!

Still, since I have a 2012 I should have the new insulator, so don't get your hopes up.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:27 PM   #578
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Doesn't your car (2012 have the new type (Beige color) of insulator.From what I was told, is that the olive color insulator supersedes the black insulator.The part number remained the same, but the part changed to a urethane type of rubber.Does yours make this thumping noise over slow bumps or over rouge sharp surfaces at slow speeds.

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Still, since I have a 2012 I should have the new insulator, so don't get your hopes up.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:59 PM   #579
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Doesn't your car (2012 have the new type (olive color) of insulator.From what I was told, is that the olive color insulator supersedes the black insulator.The part number remained the same, but the part changed to a urethane type of rubber.Does yours make this thumping noise over slow bumps or over rouge sharp surfaces at slow speeds.
Rough sharp surfaces, like washboard type roads, going 10-20mph or so.

By slow bump, do you mean going over a speed bump slowly?
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Old 04-19-2012, 06:48 AM   #580
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I meant over those parking lot type speed bumps and sharp rough edges where the asphalt is as been broken away.
The dealer replaced the the insulators yesterday,I haven't driven it other than bringing it home.I hope to give it a road test this weekend and will let you know if helped or not.

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Rough sharp surfaces, like washboard type roads, going 10-20mph or so.

By slow bump, do you mean going over a speed bump slowly?
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:43 AM   #581
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i just started noticing clanking noise passenger front. only suspension mod in front is peddlers radius arm bushing.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:38 PM   #582
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i just started noticing clanking noise passenger front. only suspension mod in front is peddlers radius arm bushing.
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When I install lowering coils on a Camaro I throw out the upper coil insulator. When I install coilovers, I throw out the upper insulator. The upper insulator will help with the hydraulic whoosh / flutter / wheeze. It is a good way to get the Dealer to break down the strut and reassemble it with the strut jam nut and retaining plate nuts tight to address the harder clicking sound under warranty

If a front control arm has been removed and a noise develops the first thing to do is tighten the bolt that passes through the bush and tighten the nut on the ball stud at the knuckle. As long as the wrenches are out... tighten them all
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:12 AM   #583
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I just changed over the fronts last night.. did them twice b/c I thought I did them wrong! (Once I set it on the ground, I noticed the upper strut retainer wasn't flush with the car (under the hood). I was then told that that is normal, and I just hadn't noticed it before.

So I took them both back off, and put them together again.

The 2nd time I tightened the spring perch retaining nut all the way down, to make sure I would have enough thread up top to twist the upper nut cover onto, and it all seemed to go pretty well.

But now I can hear my front suspension when I go over bumps - something sounds loose (but I used air tools except the upper nut.
Any idea why it would sound that way?
It also drives straight down the road still..

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Old 04-23-2012, 04:47 PM   #584
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thanks Justice Pete it was bolts on the swaybar that connect to chassis they were loose. all good now.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:36 AM   #585
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Had the front strut insulators replaced ,drove it this weekend and found a big difference in the ride when going over speed bumps and irregularities in the road,like sharp rigid areas.
The thump is still there but it got more of a soft cushion when hitting the bumps or rigid potholes etc.It improved it enough where I can live with it.I just hope it remains that way, but having them replaced made a difference.Thanks Pete for all the advice and finally I convinced the dealer to at least give it a try and see what the results were.Also they had to adjust the front alignment a little bit to bring it within specs.
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Dealer says there's nothing they can do, they do hear the noise. They let me drive a '12 SS and it was actually louder than mine, go figure.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:23 PM   #587
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I just changed over the fronts last night.. did them twice b/c I thought I did them wrong! (Once I set it on the ground, I noticed the upper strut retainer wasn't flush with the car (under the hood). I was then told that that is normal, and I just hadn't noticed it before.

So I took them both back off, and put them together again.

The 2nd time I tightened the spring perch retaining nut all the way down, to make sure I would have enough thread up top to twist the upper nut cover onto, and it all seemed to go pretty well.

But now I can hear my front suspension when I go over bumps - something sounds loose (but I used air tools except the upper nut.
Any idea why it would sound that way?
It also drives straight down the road still..

With the weight of the car on the wheels remove the strut retaining plate nut and the plate. Take a 24mm deep-well socket with a breaker bar and tighten those strut jam nuts down. Replace the plate and tighten the retaining plate nut the same way. Test drive and let me know what you hear or hopefully don't hear!

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thanks Justice Pete it was bolts on the swaybar that connect to chassis they were loose. all good now.
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Had the front strut insulators replaced ,drove it this weekend and found a big difference in the ride when going over speed bumps and irregularities in the road,like sharp rigid areas.
The thump is still there but it got more of a soft cushion when hitting the bumps or rigid potholes etc.It improved it enough where I can live with it.I just hope it remains that way, but having them replaced made a difference.Thanks Pete for all the advice and finally I convinced the dealer to at least give it a try and see what the results were.Also they had to adjust the front alignment a little bit to bring it within specs.
If it helped, it will continue to help

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Dealer says there's nothing they can do, they do hear the noise. They let me drive a '12 SS and it was actually louder than mine, go figure.
We talk about so many noises in this thread can you clarify which one you are referring to?
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:14 PM   #588
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Took mine all apart this weekend and installed some lowering springs onto the SS struts... This time, I hand tightened the upper nut (on the fronts) to hold the strut in place. Buttoned everything else up. THEN I put the car back on the ground, took that nut off, and tightened the spring perch retaining nut (which holds the spring on), put the upper strut retainer back on, and torqued the upper nut down. No problems, no noise. Got an alignment yesterday, and I am SOOO happy!

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We talk about so many noises in this thread can you clarify which one you are referring to?
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:57 AM   #593
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Brought it back to dealer again and got the'ol "They all do that". Many do, but that's doesn't mean no solution should be looked into by GM. If GM blows me off, I'll just sell the car.
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Brought it back to dealer again and got the'ol "They all do that". Many do, but that's doesn't mean no solution should be looked into by GM. If GM blows me off, I'll just sell the car.
Any chance you can tighten up things per the Pedders checklist on your own?
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:48 AM   #595
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Any chance you can tighten up things per the Pedders checklist on your own?
Had a friend who is ase cert tighten the strut retaining nuts with his gun. Then I went under the car and tightened all the nuts in the list. The noise was gone....I say was because it came back and I swear it's even worse now. Ugh.

Called GM customer diagnostics and they tried to tell me it was my torque converter. Really.

Then he stumbled upon the ol loose lumber bulletin and he was pretty much done with me even After i told him the car did not make this noise when new and its getting worse. Very frustrating. Perhaps my sway bar end links are bad, sounds just like that on my other cars that had that noise. I am going to disconnect them and take a drive.
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I'm still available as a last resort, lol
Just need to get you scheduled with Town and Country in East Windsor CT.
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Had a friend who is ase cert tighten the strut retaining nuts with his gun. Then I went under the car and tightened all the nuts in the list. The noise was gone....I say was because it came back and I swear it's even worse now. Ugh.

Called GM customer diagnostics and they tried to tell me it was my torque converter. Really.

Then he stumbled upon the ol loose lumber bulletin and he was pretty much done with me even After i told him the car did not make this noise when new and its getting worse. Very frustrating. Perhaps my sway bar end links are bad, sounds just like that on my other cars that had that noise. I am going to disconnect them and take a drive.
That makes sense. If it doesn't resolve it...

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Just need to get you scheduled with Town and Country in East Windsor CT.
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That makes sense. If it doesn't resolve it...



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Guys thanks tons. I used to do a ton of work when I ran Volvos, IPD suspensions etc. I was hoping NOT to get under my brand new DD before I wanted to upgrade something so a little pissed at my dealers service guys for blowing me off.

To celebrate Independence Day I did some more independent work. I removed the end links from the front sway bar. SILENCIO! I put back one at a time and it makes the noise whether one or both were attached, so I still don't know whether it's the bar bushings, bracket, bolted end link connection or ball/sockets on each end of the links. I tightened all best I could guddentite and added some blue Loctite for fun.

One thing I did notice is the stud on end of each end link does not fit snug in the strut side or sway bar end holes. I imagine it's possible that even super tight nuts might not prevent sliding perpendicular to the stud. Hard to guess on this stuff but don't get why GM didn't design the stud to be more like a ball joint tapered stud, again like on Volvos, which are much beefier too.

Hard to reach those bar bushing bracket bolts but I got them as snug as I could. My guess is the end links are poorly designed/fit or just cheaply made. With the end links disconnected I wailed on the bar up and down and no sounds at all and the bushings where very springy and resistant.
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pull the links off and ensure that all 4 ends feel snug and smooth.

do you see any marks on the sway bar or strut where the paint is worn off from the link nuts moving up and down?

look at the studs on the links, do you see any damage to the area that goes through the sway bar or the strut?

if needed i can have a set of links to you for friday.
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I did check the link ends when i had them off, they are all smooth and new feeling through all rotation. Will check again for paint scratching great idea.

What links do you offer?
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