Why do you think the Z28 is the higher tier?

[The_Blur]

I know that a lot of you are citing history as reasons, but to date we have no evidence that a Z28 will even exist, much less outrank the SS. Don't get me wrong. I think a Z28 should absolutely be present. I don't care if it is dominant. In the fourth generation, though, I see Z28s all the time with the SS being a more rare, high-profile trim. I'm wondering what has led everyone on this site to begin assuming that the Z28 is the top tier while the SS is a lower tier. Moreover, what evidence do you have to support the idea that something higher than the pre-production V8 will exist?

I'm sure plenty of you will say that the competition has a higher tier, therefore Chevrolet will have to have a higher tier, but let's be frank here. The whole car industry is in the gutter. Canceling platforms will be a common occurrence over the next couple of years. Could you forgive GM if they only permitted Chevrolet to produce a 400-hp Camaro?

I'm only being the devil's advocate here. I don't want to stir up any trouble, but I'm seeing Z28 posted all over the site as though it is already in many members' garages. Knowing that the alleged SS will likely beat out all of the competition from Dodge, Ford, and Asian import companies, why do you think GM must produce something higher without calling it a special edition Camaro? I wouldn't hold it against GM if there was only one V8 without forced induction since the DI V6 will be within reach of a Mustang GT. This car is golden without some unholy monster that pushes 500 horses, so why is it so necessary to assume that GM has any intentions to make something better? What evidence do you have that a Z28 is in the works at all? Are there secret track times that I haven't seen where a Camaro is rolling around sporting Z28 badges? Someone explain the Z28 phenomenon to me.

[discoteka]

Any car can be a SS; only one can be a Z28. Furthermore, I think all the passion that has been built with this car brings people back to when the car was first on the streets in the late 60's. It has been stated that GM is not going to name the cars based on popular opinion, so maybe this "top dog" car brings back the vibe the original Z28's did.

[radz28]

I'm with you on your points. All I can say is that I hope to all that is good that we get a Z28 and fulfill the expectations of those of us who were hoping to buy one. For sure, the auto martket is changing, but I can only hope that GM still has us actual enthusiasts in mind and build a car that will shame a Cobra. I can't say that I've seen ANY Z28 cars; all speculative. I don't see why GM would only offer an SS though, because Z28 has been around more consistant than the SS moniker.

I could not forgive GM for "only" coming out with 400 horse as it's top performer. I honestly wouldn't be happy if it came out with much less power than the CTS-V. GM has the resources, and really, how much can development for an LSA in this car cost? Cadillac already has manual and automatic transmissions developed and I'm sure the car would need a little more body and suspension bracing. I don't engineer cars though, so I'm talking out of my @$$.

As far any pictures, I can only point at TF2. Yeah, I know it really means nothing, but I can hope.

I guess, all I can say, again, is that I'm just praying that we can still get a car that a lot of us have been expecting. Yes, no one has confirmed it's existance, however enough has been said about matching and exceeding the Mustang that the implication is there that we'd be getting a monster of a Camaro. Who knows though? Maybe a bunch of us hopefuls will be sorely disappointed.

Perhaps another question could be added:

IF THERE IS NO Z28 (OR HIGH-OUTPUT MODEL) WOULD YOU STILL BUY CAMARO?

I would, but I guess I'd have to promptly void the warranty and throw a TVS-2300 supercharger on it. OK, OK, OK... I feel better now. If GM won't make it, I will

[Mindz]

I don't think you guys understand what he's asking. He wasn't saying why bring back the z28. He's all for it.

He's asking why you think the Z28 would be the top dawg as opposed to the SS. We know they're having a SS model, but they haven't said when they plan to release it so there's a chance it could be the top dog model as well. The general consensus on the board is that the Z28 will show up as the higher tier model, and Blur was asking how a majority of the board came to that conclusion.

Hope this cleared that up. =)

[454lsxss]

I might be wrong, but I don't think the camaro has ever come in just one model of v8...and if it did, it wasn't for very long. I mean look at how every other car company making pony cars is doing it. Dodge Challenger - Base R/T and SRT8. They only have a 55hp difference but the 6.1l has much more potential than the 5.7l. Ford has their base GT then the Bullitt[spelling?], Regular Shelby model, and they have the Shelby Cobra model, along with a few KR's. So really, GM would be missing out on the crowd that wants just a little more ponies[or in the camaro's case alot more ponies] in their car and is willing to pay more for looks/suspension/power

[CamaroSpike23]

the original reason that the Z28 is higher ranking is because of the RPO codes. (i think theres an echo in here)


Z26 = RS
Z27 = SS
Z28 = Z28


but to some people SS (or Super Sport for that matter) sound a hell of a lot cooler than "Zee twenty-eight" (or Zed twenty-eight if you want to be really on the money).

however GM got to messing with that lineup by badging cars as SS's with a more powerful engine and other goodies back in the 60's (think 396 SS) but there's also the 350 SS so the motor size/power isnt the only factor for basing that off of.

as for the fourth gens, GM only planned on making two models, the v-6 and the v-8, basically the RS (bottom rung) and the Z28 (top dawg). then after they started selling like hot cakes, they decided to start throwing out a souped up version of the car from the dealerships that was modified by SLP and GMMG and still under factory warranty. but what to name this modified Z28? we dont want to just call it a Z28... hmmm what name hasnt been used.......????? oh, SS! and from there, the mindset was locked in that the SS was the top dawg over the Z28.


as for why there is the thought of a possible Z28 supercharged top dawg? cus the car isnt out yet, there has been no one from GM saying "no, there will not be a Z28", which leaves it open to our imaginations. add into that, the fact that we know GM likes to hand down motors from the vette to the camaro, so we'll just have to see.

[diarmadhi]

Don't care,

Call it a pinto, Im after the Base V8.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Mindz

I don't think you guys understand what he's asking. He wasn't saying why bring back the z28. He's all for it.

He's asking why you think the Z28 would be the top dawg as opposed to the SS. We know they're having a SS model, but they haven't said when they plan to release it so there's a chance it could be the top dog model as well. The general consensus on the board is that the Z28 will show up as the higher tier model, and Blur was asking how a majority of the board came to that conclusion.

Hope this cleared that up. =)

I was asking a sort of complicated question, and that is part of it. Why do you think a Z28 will exist at all, and why is the Z28 superior to the SS by default? I'm asking the first part because no evidence or references to a 2010 Z28 exist while several such references, including photographs, exist of the SS. Leaks have confirmed the existence of the SS, which fits Chevrolet's current lineup, usually topped with a high-performance SS with a special appearance package of some sort. For example, the HHR SS is significantly different inside and outside. If Chevrolet were to offer the SS package, it would likely include something different than stock appearances, as is the case in other SS models (Trailblazer, Cobalt, etc.). Wouldn't that be a feature of the top trim of the Camaro?

Originally Posted by 454lsxss

I might be wrong, but I don't think the camaro has ever come in just one model of v8...and if it did, it wasn't for very long. I mean look at how every other car company making pony cars is doing it. Dodge Challenger - Base R/T and SRT8. They only have a 55hp difference but the 6.1l has much more potential than the 5.7l. Ford has their base GT then the Bullitt[spelling?], Regular Shelby model, and they have the Shelby Cobra model, along with a few KR's. So really, GM would be missing out on the crowd that wants just a little more ponies[or in the camaro's case alot more ponies] in their car and is willing to pay more for looks/suspension/power

Why can't Chevrolet do this with stage kits or GMPP upgrades? With all the work that has gone into the Camaro V8 that we have seen on the track, we would expect the same of a high-performance Camaro. Even if it doesn't come out until 2011, shouldn't we have seen some evidence of its existence by now? We would have to see it on the streets with a special race-tuned suspension that rides significantly lower. In order to race tune that suspension, we would have to see it on the track somewhere. Has GM brought anything secret to a track that set record times recently?

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

the original reason that the Z28 is higher ranking is because of the RPO codes. (i think theres an echo in here)


Z26 = RS
Z27 = SS
Z28 = Z28


but to some people SS (or Super Sport for that matter) sound a hell of a lot cooler than "Zee twenty-eight" (or Zed twenty-eight if you want to be really on the money).

however GM got to messing with that lineup by badging cars as SS's with a more powerful engine and other goodies back in the 60's (think 396 SS) but there's also the 350 SS so the motor size/power isnt the only factor for basing that off of.

as for the fourth gens, GM only planned on making two models, the v-6 and the v-8, basically the RS (bottom rung) and the Z28 (top dawg). then after they started selling like hot cakes, they decided to start throwing out a souped up version of the car from the dealerships that was modified by SLP and GMMG and still under factory warranty. but what to name this modified Z28? we dont want to just call it a Z28... hmmm what name hasnt been used.......????? oh, SS! and from there, the mindset was locked in that the SS was the top dawg over the Z28.


as for why there is the thought of a possible Z28 supercharged top dawg? cus the car isnt out yet, there has been no one from GM saying "no, there will not be a Z28", which leaves it open to our imaginations. add into that, the fact that we know GM likes to hand down motors from the vette to the camaro, so we'll just have to see.

I'm glad to leave this to the imagination, but no one is saying that they hope there is a Z28. A lot of people are saying that they're holding out for it. That's why I asked if they could forgive GM for not producing it.

Sure, the RPO code is clearly the tier above SS and RS, but does that mean GM has to stick to that order? While the Z06 is the top production Corvette, excluding the special edition ZR1, the SS is to top trim for everything else. There is no longer a Z24, and the Z71 is not a performance trim. What makes the Z28 so essential that GM cannot do without it?

I know what you're going to say: "Ford has a GT500 so Chevy has to compete with it." That is brilliant business sense, and I completely agree, but I will continue to play the devil's advocate and argue that Ford shares are rapidly approaching $0 and GM is not far behind. What makes Ford worthy of competition when neither company can stabilize their prices? Just because Ford is about to jump off the market bridge doesn't mean GM has to follow with products people cannot afford, especially when those products come at the additional cost of gas. The people that get them will be true enthusiasts and millionaires who will store them with their Ferraris, but most of us will only admire this mystery top trim, so why should GM even bother to build it?

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

Don't care,

Call it a pinto, Im after the Base V8.

I'm in the same boat. I want a V8 Camaro, too. The low cost of the V6 would be phenomenal if the RS had a package like in the GMPP accessories thread. All evidence points in that direction. At the same token, I've wanted this car for so long, and I've been rolling around in what feels like a dumpster, so I want my dream V8 Camaro. I'll never be able to afford everyone's expected top trim, so I'll be delighted to drive a 400-hp street monster.

[CamaroSpike23]

What makes the Z28 so essential that GM cannot do without it?

cus a camaro isnt a camaro unless its a Z28. lol



as for projected models. its almost logical to see how and why they would make a Z28. the SS will be the base v-8 coming out the door in a couple months, and GM is starting to move back into the performance sector with a lot of cars. and like i said before, the camaro ends up getting the hand me downs of the engine world from the vette (save for the LT5)

[topgun1]

The Z-28 is rumored for one since it is written in numerous auto magazines, such as Motortrend who actually had it reversed: (Available trims are also forecast to include a V-8 Z28 and, eventually, a high-output (say, at least 500 horses) SS (Super Sport) edition to combat the Shelby GT500) and Road & Track (A year after launch, Chevy will introduce a convertible version and after that a high-performance Z28 model with a super-charged 6.2-liter sibling to the Corvette ZR1's LS9 motor known as the LSA. That engine would make somewhere in the neighborhood of 480–500 bhp and is similar to the engine used in the upcoming Cadillac CTS-V).

These are just a couple of excerpts online from the reputable magazines--so this is why I assume people believe that a Z-28 will follow.

[Mindz]

Originally Posted by topgun1

Motortrend...and Road & Track

...from the reputable magazines

Reputable for what?

[topgun1]

Originally Posted by Mindz

Reputable for what?

Ok, so maybe "long-running" magazines and maybe "reputable" for misleading consumers?

[Mindz]

I know. I was just playing around. =)

[topgun1]

[chadrcr]

Thinking the code Z-26, Z-27 and Z-28 decides the hierarchy of Camaros because of simple numerical order is ridiculous.... example: Z06, Z71, Z85.


AND, the Z/28 was not the top dog in the 60's, other than on a road course it was out performed by several: SS396 and COPO 427s as well as the
ZL1 - aluminum 427.
After the 350 was put in the Z/28 it became the performance car, as compression ratios and cubic inches began dwindling away.....

The Z/28 should be the most available V8, as it has been the most popular Camaro for most of the previous 35 years of production. Let SS be a trim package and let the gt500kr killer be a ZL1 or IROC or COPO... whatever.
I want the Z/28, for the $30k version.

[The_Blur]

I want to be perfectly clear. This thread is not intended to insult your opinion of which trim is the top trim or whether such a trim exists. This thread is only seeking clarification between speculation and fact.

From what I understand, the source of the Z28 presumption comes from the below sources.

SPECULATION
• Since their used to be a Z28, their must be one now. Traditionally that Z28, being a higher RPO code, is a higher performance trim than the SS. In response to this, I must remind all readers that tradition is not a determinant of future events. There used to be a bunch of Z cars, including the Cavalier and Lumina, that no longer exist in production and apparently will never return. This is a reasonable speculation because the Camaro is a car with a strong tradition, and strong traditions tend to be followed more than weak ones, like the lacking following of the Z24.
• The SS is the one we know about, so the Z28 is the one we don't know about. We don't know about it because it will come out when the convertible does. I cannot cite the source from memory, but I do recall something of a special Camaro coming out a year after production. Maybe there is a future performace Camaro, but there is not enough evidence to suggest it is a Z28. With the recent ZR1 Corvette, I would lean toward a performance ZL1 Camaro because that would better fit the Chevy lineup. If they called the high-performance Camaro a Z28, then Chevrolet would be obligated to make future high-performance Camaros Z28s instead of ZL1s, a clear violation of tradition, which we agreed was important to the Camaro in the previous argument.
• Competing companies have a high-performance trim, so the Z28 must fulfill that role. The GT500 is not the only special Mustang, and the Daytona is not the only special Charger. As a result, having one prime Camaro to match all of the special editions is nonsense. Chevrolet has no need to compete with ridiculously priced vehicles that get very little attention outside of the enthusiast realm. If you went down the street asking people not as interested in cars as us whether they know who makes the GT500, very few would know. The Z28 and the SS nameplates are both far better known. If GM were to match the GT500 trim exactly, then GM would match it with an equally dominant trim, like the ZL1. This, too, is speculation.
• Magazines have been printing that the Z28 is going to be amazing so it must be true. If there is a Z28, then it will be amazing, so it is true; however, the same magazines have claimed that the Camaro will have the current pre-production headlights as production, that the Camaro will have 2 V8s at launch, and that they have better insiders than fbodfather, which we all know is a bold-faced lie.
• Since the Camaro tends to come in multiple V8s, there must be an alternative to the speculated SS LS3 or L76, which must have forced induction, and further must be called the Z28. This is ridiculous. I mean no offense to those who believe this, but every part of this sentence is potentially false. We have no confirmation of the primary V8 engine, nor do we have evidence that GM is working on a forced induction platform for the Zeta, at least to my knowledge—correct me if I'm wrong.

FACTS
• Z28 is the highest RPO code when compared to RS (Z26) and SS (Z27). This is true for traditionally ordering a Camaro. I don't know if this ever changed.
• The Z28 has not always been the highest tier when compared to the ZL1 and the fourth generation SS. This directly contradicts the idea that Z28 is superior to SS or ZL1.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

FACTS
• Z28 is the highest RPO code when compared to RS (Z26) and SS (Z27). This is true for traditionally ordering a Camaro. I don't know if this ever changed.
•*The Z28 has not always been the highest tier when compared to the ZL1 and the fourth generation SS. This directly contradicts the idea that Z28 is superior to SS or ZL1.

the rpo codes that are listed have not been kept that way. for instance in 76, the RS RPO code was Z85 and there was no SS or Z28. for 1970, the RS was Z22. in 68 there were 4 different Z28 levels to choose from, 73 had no SS, 75 lost the Z28. and after looking at things, the Z28 RPO code, which was originally designated for the "Special Perf Components Pkg " is now the 1LE RPO code

so maybe in addition to the RS, SS, Z28, ZL1, we need a strictly 1LE camaro

[MAC]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

Don't care,

Call it a pinto, Im after the Base V8.

I'd rather not have my Pinto/camaro explode when a basketball hits the rear end of the car thx

Z28 sounds hella cooler than "SS", because theres so many "SS" within Chevy, its over done imo.
when you hear "Z28" you know what someone is talking about; dead on.
when I hear Z28, doesn't matter what generation it is, I think - Instantly - "Badass Camaro". It holds a certain power behind the name.
when I hear "SS" I think of 1 of the other many "SS" trimmed cars. and I don't like to think of the camaro ss as "just another similarly named trim"
It needs to be unique. this isn't going to be your average muscle/sport car.
It's gonna be a Camaro, and it Should be a Camaro Z/28.

[Mindz]

When I hear Z28 I think of the "not quite as cool looking as the SS and certainly not as powerful." The fourth gens are the only camaros I see around here anymore, unless the first gens come out, but those only have the v6's or RS badging. =/


There's a difference between SS and Camaro SS.

[MAC]

Originally Posted by Mindz

When I hear Z28 I think of the "not quite as cool looking as the SS and certainly not as powerful." The fourth gens are the only camaros I see around here anymore, unless the first gens come out, but those only have the v6's or RS badging. =/


There's a difference between SS and Camaro SS.

I totally understand that, but it's still "SS"; majority of what I see is the 4th gen, but I familiarize more with the 3rd. I like its style a lot better then the 4th.
I personally didn't much care for the exterior upgrades on the 4th gen SS, I liked the sleek/classy look of the smooth hood, and the regular spoiler, the SS spoiler looked like a lifted up top lip, lol.
I like the Idea of mixing "RS" with Z28 & SS tho...(though I guess SS is just the combo of the 2?, in reference to the 4th gen anyway) I thought I recalled seeing "SS" and "Rally Sport" on a '69 picture I've seen tho..maybe i'm mistaken.
However if I were to buy an older camaro, I'd go for the late 4th, (y2k+), but not ss, seeing as how I don't have the kinda money to keep up a 3rd gen (maintenance/deterioration wise) otherwise I'd probably get an old 3rd gen "Z/28". '91 or '92, I kinda like the spoiler better.

[Punk_rider]

I just know nothing about the camaro's history. However, I think there should be a top dog Z28 for strategix reasons:
- Chevy can't let Ford alone on the Gt 500 segment
- We've seen a pic of a SS which seemed pretty close to a final model. Thus, I hardly imagine chevy releasing the whole offer the same day (V6 + V8 + Top god+convert). To keep the movement going, they have to release new stuffs regularly. Thus, I guess the top dog wouldn't be ready yet. Thus, It wouldn't be the SS.
- having the top dog being a 400 hp car would, I guess, kill the poney car image. Ford would laugh at chevy, I guess chevy people are here to make a car that would beat the mustang, every mustang and not building a wifey car.

However, I assume the whole industry is having hard times. GM canceled some programs and people are gonna be fired. But chevy is maknig now a lot of "reasonnable" cars. Corvette is not even badged chevy anymore. Thus chevy needs a z28

However, everything written here is coming from me .. thus ... it's maybe complete bullshit .. well ... probably complete bullshit

[MAC]

Originally Posted by Punk_rider

I just know nothing about the camaro's history. However, I think there should be a top dog Z28 for strategix reasons:
- Chevy can't let Ford alone on the Gt 500 segment
- We've seen a pic of a SS which seemed pretty close to a final model. Thus, I hardly imagine chevy releasing the whole offer the same day (V6 + V8 + Top god+convert). To keep the movement going, they have to release new stuffs regularly. Thus, I guess the top dog wouldn't be ready yet. Thus, It wouldn't be the SS.
- having the top dog being a 400 hp car would, I guess, kill the poney car image. Ford would laugh at chevy, I guess chevy people are here to make a car that would beat the mustang, every mustang and not building a wifey car.

However, I assume the whole industry is having hard times. GM canceled some programs and people are gonna be fired. But chevy is maknig now a lot of "reasonnable" cars. Corvette is not even badged chevy anymore. Thus chevy needs a z28

However, everything written here is coming from me .. thus ... it's maybe complete bullshit .. well ... probably complete bullshit

for some reason, I didn't really understand this post..can you clarify plz?, maybe it's just because I'm super tired..am I the only 1?..I don't mean to seem rude, i just don't really get it

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by MAC

I totally understand that, but it's still "SS"; majority of what I see is the 4th gen, but I familiarize more with the 3rd. I like its style a lot better then the 4th.
I personally didn't much care for the exterior upgrades on the 4th gen SS, I liked the sleek/classy look of the smooth hood, and the regular spoiler, the SS spoiler looked like a lifted up top lip, lol.
I like the Idea of mixing "RS" with Z28 & SS tho...(though I guess SS is just the combo of the 2?, in reference to the 4th gen anyway) I thought I recalled seeing "SS" and "Rally Sport" on a '69 picture I've seen tho..maybe i'm mistaken.
However if I were to buy an older camaro, I'd go for the late 4th, (y2k+), but not ss, seeing as how I don't have the kinda money to keep up a 3rd gen (maintenance/deterioration wise) otherwise I'd probably get an old 3rd gen "Z/28". '91 or '92, I kinda like the spoiler better.

you could get a decent 3rd gen for a good price, give it a tune up and call it a day till you save some moolah to mod with.

as for the part highlighted is not how it works. the three are RPO packages. there wasnt an RS for every year of the 4th gen just as there wasnt an SS for every year. but there was a Z28. as ive stated before about the 4th gens, when GM first set out to make them, they only planned for 2 models, the base and the Z28. bottom rung and top dog. then SLP and GMMG stepped in and started modding Z28's straight from the factory and turned them into SS's.

[topgun1]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I want to be perfectly clear. This thread is not intended to insult your opinion of which trim is the top trim or whether such a trim exists. This thread is only seeking clarification between speculation and fact.

From what I understand, the source of the Z28 presumption comes from the below sources.

SPECULATION
• Since their used to be a Z28, their must be one now. Traditionally that Z28, being a higher RPO code, is a higher performance trim than the SS. In response to this, I must remind all readers that tradition is not a determinant of future events. There used to be a bunch of Z cars, including the Cavalier and Lumina, that no longer exist in production and apparently will never return. This is a reasonable speculation because the Camaro is a car with a strong tradition, and strong traditions tend to be followed more than weak ones, like the lacking following of the Z24.
• The SS is the one we know about, so the Z28 is the one we don't know about. We don't know about it because it will come out when the convertible does. I cannot cite the source from memory, but I do recall something of a special Camaro coming out a year after production. Maybe there is a future performace Camaro, but there is not enough evidence to suggest it is a Z28. With the recent ZR1 Corvette, I would lean toward a performance ZL1 Camaro because that would better fit the Chevy lineup. If they called the high-performance Camaro a Z28, then Chevrolet would be obligated to make future high-performance Camaros Z28s instead of ZL1s, a clear violation of tradition, which we agreed was important to the Camaro in the previous argument.
• Competing companies have a high-performance trim, so the Z28 must fulfill that role. The GT500 is not the only special Mustang, and the Daytona is not the only special Charger. As a result, having one prime Camaro to match all of the special editions is nonsense. Chevrolet has no need to compete with ridiculously priced vehicles that get very little attention outside of the enthusiast realm. If you went down the street asking people not as interested in cars as us whether they know who makes the GT500, very few would know. The Z28 and the SS nameplates are both far better known. If GM were to match the GT500 trim exactly, then GM would match it with an equally dominant trim, like the ZL1. This, too, is speculation.
•*Magazines have been printing that the Z28 is going to be amazing so it must be true. If there is a Z28, then it will be amazing, so it is true; however, the same magazines have claimed that the Camaro will have the current pre-production headlights as production, that the Camaro will have 2 V8s at launch, and that they have better insiders than fbodfather, which we all know is a bold-faced lie.
•*Since the Camaro tends to come in multiple V8s, there must be an alternative to the speculated SS LS3 or L76, which must have forced induction, and further must be called the Z28. This is ridiculous. I mean no offense to those who believe this, but every part of this sentence is potentially false. We have no confirmation of the primary V8 engine, nor do we have evidence that GM is working on a forced induction platform for the Zeta, at least to my knowledge—correct me if I'm wrong.

FACTS
• Z28 is the highest RPO code when compared to RS (Z26) and SS (Z27). This is true for traditionally ordering a Camaro. I don't know if this ever changed.
•*The Z28 has not always been the highest tier when compared to the ZL1 and the fourth generation SS. This directly contradicts the idea that Z28 is superior to SS or ZL1.

I see that you are an extremely passionate person about this matter--good to have people on here that don't just state unfounded info with nothing to back it up and aren't just going off of someone else's opinion.

[B2E2RUN]

Didn't all 4th gen camaro SS's have RPO Z28? Then another RPO stating SS option??