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Old 07-11-2008, 06:10 PM   #51
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(most notably the fact that the SS was released after the Z28, that's all).
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I'm puzzled by this comment, could you explain what you meant.
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Old 07-12-2008, 12:28 AM   #52
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The truth is that I am only passionate about the truth. I don't want new members to be misled by the idea that we already know which trim is going to be superior. What we have been telling new members is the following:

• 550-hp Camaro Z28 LSA
• 430-hp Camaro SS LS3
• 300-hp Camaro (RS appearance package) LLT
• 260-hp Camaro (LS or LT) LNF

The truth as we know it is the following:

• approx. 400-hp Camaro V8 (unknown motor and trim)
• approx. 300-hp Camaro V6 LLT
• RS badging on a GMPP appearance package
• optional rims by GMPP
• stripe packages by GMPP
• sheer sweetness out of the factory (comes will all Camaros)

Absolutely no provable GM-sourced discussion or evidence exists of the following:

• Camaro Z28
• super Camaro featuring more horsepower than a Corvette

GM discussion does exist of the following:
• 6.2L motor (has been "corrected" to be approx. 6.0L, suggesting either LS3 or L76 or others)
• SS trim
• sharing parts with G8 on Zeta platform
• any LS7 or LSA Camaro
• 260-hp Camaro I4 LNF

I am only posting to prevent confusion. We don't want new members getting confused and starting threads about why the Z28 doesn't exist or how much horsepower the LSA Camaro will get. We just want to be the most correct and reliable new Camaro site around. For that reason, I think it is important that any misconceptions get corrected, especially since we are so close to production. We don't want any disappointed fans going out and buying Mustangs, do we?
Excellent post! And is right on.
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:24 AM   #53
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Excellent post! And is right on.
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:26 AM   #54
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I'm puzzled by this comment, could you explain what you meant.
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The truth is that I am only passionate about the truth. I don't want new members to be misled by the idea that we already know which trim is going to be superior. What we have been telling new members is the following:

• 550-hp Camaro Z28 LSA
• 430-hp Camaro SS LS3
• 300-hp Camaro (RS appearance package) LLT
• 260-hp Camaro (LS or LT) LNF

The truth as we know it is the following:

• approx. 400-hp Camaro V8 (unknown motor and trim)
• approx. 300-hp Camaro V6 LLT
• RS badging on a GMPP appearance package
• optional rims by GMPP
• stripe packages by GMPP
• sheer sweetness out of the factory (comes will all Camaros)

Absolutely no provable GM-sourced discussion or evidence exists of the following:

• Camaro Z28
• super Camaro featuring more horsepower than a Corvette

GM discussion does exist of the following:
• 6.2L motor (has been "corrected" to be approx. 6.0L, suggesting either LS3 or L76 or others)
• SS trim
• sharing parts with G8 on Zeta platform
• any LS7 or LSA Camaro
• 260-hp Camaro I4 LNF

I am only posting to prevent confusion. We don't want new members getting confused and starting threads about why the Z28 doesn't exist or how much horsepower the LSA Camaro will get. We just want to be the most correct and reliable new Camaro site around. For that reason, I think it is important that any misconceptions get corrected, especially since we are so close to production. We don't want any disappointed fans going out and buying Mustangs, do we?
What he said.
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:47 AM   #55
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HEY! I draw the line at Fiero!!! I will take Chevette though!
Exactly. It starts with a "C" -- Right!?!?

Relax folks, we're just "theorizing" here.

July 22.
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Old 07-12-2008, 02:41 PM   #56
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Gm doesn't have to produce an lSA camaro because it has the vette (z06 zr1) to do it's jaw dropping and record breaking. Ive always been a Z-28 guy due to the price\performance ratio that exists between the z and the SS, I mean 10-15 hp doesn't justify the extra cash...not to me. I'd like to see the z28 on top and although I most likely won't be shelling out the extra cash I'd be proud to see one cruising around every once and a while.

With the current energy crisis that we're going through a supercharged 91 octane drinking beast might not make it out for public consumption.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:37 AM   #57
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^Those that are buying really don't care about gas consumption. Seriously, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass, if they are willing to shell out 40K base for a top of the line SC version, they will not worry about filling up. Usually, those that play are willing to pay.

And...GM has to....to keep up with the competition. GM has to beat out all the others. And, they are doing it with less weight and more HP...meaning GM will likely (of course they WILL!!!) sell more top of the liners than other auto manufacturers.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:42 AM   #58
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Exactly. It starts with a "C" -- Right!?!?

Relax folks, we're just "theorizing" here.

July 22.
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:40 AM   #59
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Gm doesn't have to produce an lSA camaro because it has the vette (z06 zr1) to do it's jaw dropping and record breaking. Ive always been a Z-28 guy due to the price\performance ratio that exists between the z and the SS, I mean 10-15 hp doesn't justify the extra cash...not to me. I'd like to see the z28 on top and although I most likely won't be shelling out the extra cash I'd be proud to see one cruising around every once and a while.

With the current energy crisis that we're going through a supercharged 91 octane drinking beast might not make it out for public consumption.
But if there is a supercharged Challenger and supercharged Mustangs, there pretty much needs to be a supercharged Camaro. And anyone who buys a car with over 500 hp isn't too worried about the fuel economy.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:00 PM   #60
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But if there is a supercharged Challenger and supercharged Mustangs, there pretty much needs to be a supercharged Camaro. And anyone who buys a car with over 500 hp isn't too worried about the fuel economy.
I love the idea of a supercharger kit at the very least. Ford offers a 100-hp supercharger kit for the Mustang, and GMPP could easily build an affordable kit designed to keep the Camaro 80-100 hp ahead of the current Mustang. That way, people could upgrade to a higher tier of sports car without having to get all of the accessories that come with higher tier cars—different interior, embroidery, appearance package, spoiler. We all know that the Cobalt SS looks different than the Cobalt LS. We also expect the Camaro V8 to look different than the V6. People who are in it for the power and the power alone will only want to look different for function. For instance, they'll seek more aerodynamics. They don't care if it has a different front bumper unless that bumper shaves time on on the track.

Now you're wondering, "Why is The_Blur rambling about body kits when we're talking about superchargers?" I'm just pointing out that there doesn't need to be another trim to be another Camaro. We could all get the upcoming V8, and GM could provide a Z28 supercharger kit if a Z28 doesn't come out at launch. Out of the factory, it might be labeled SS, but a year after driving it, a buyer could customize it to be a Z28 with a supercharger kit. Or it could come out of the factory as a Z28 and be upgraded to the SS, if you prefer that hierarchy.

I would love to see these type of customization options out of the factory without rebranding the car as something higher or better. Anyone that really wants a supercharged Camaro can call ProCharger and get the work done individually. This is more of an accessories idea for GM. I'm hoping that it has already crossed their mind.

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Old 07-14-2008, 12:23 PM   #61
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The production Z28 model might get cancelled, if it was even going to happen, but a Z28 "kit" would be a cool option. It could include a supercharger, a tune, some body parts, graphics, suspension parts, dealer installed or owner installed.
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It doesn't matter to me what its called, since I will de-badge it anyway. As long as there is a 500+hp version I'll be happy and if its special order only, that would fine with me.
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Well since you brought up the Cobalts, they did offer a supercharger kit for the ecotec so you could more or less build your own cobalt SS. I would be surprised if they didn't do something similar for the Camaro.
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:55 PM   #64
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Fbodfather states "Originally Posted by 91Z28350
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will there be info on the Z28 in the upcoming July 22nd dealers presentation?

Probably not -- it's a while out yet."

here's you go camaroz28 thread
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will there be info on the Z28 in the upcoming July 22nd dealers presentation?

Probably not -- it's a while out yet."

here's you go camaroz28 thread
With thanks to this post, we can now consider the Z28 confirmed. At the same time, we cannot confirm specs of any kind regarding the Z28. That means that assuming 500-horsepower may be too high or too low with regard to performance.

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Well since you brought up the Cobalts, they did offer a supercharger kit for the ecotec so you could more or less build your own cobalt SS. I would be surprised if they didn't do something similar for the Camaro.
On this note, that supercharger kit, part number 17800003, is a kit for the Cavalier. It does not work with the Cobalt. I posted this speculation all over CobaltSS.net, much like I've posted about the Z28 speculation here.

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Hmm, I personally would like to see it the way it was. Z28 as the affordable v8, ss the HiPo supercharged v8. Kinda how the stang is. Base v6, GT v8, GT500 supercharged v8.
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we're certainly looking at it -- but right now, the emphasis MUST be on getting the Camaro V6 and SS out -- and having it exceed your expectations....

Once that's done....................
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Hmm, I personally would like to see it the way it was. Z28 as the affordable v8, ss the HiPo supercharged v8. Kinda how the stang is. Base v6, GT v8, GT500 supercharged v8.
This would make it like the Mustang by labeling the alpha-numeric, traditionally higher-rated Z28 above the SS, which was subordinate until the the 4th generation turned the tables. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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wasn't ss always higher powered, etc... huh?
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wasn't ss always higher powered, etc... huh?
Last generation SS was the top dawg... Some people might see the SS now and think the same thing when the V8 SS Camaro is released. My only question is this.... Will all V* Camaro's be SS's?? At least I am hoping so to keep things simple for ordering..
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Last generation SS was the top dawg... Some people might see the SS now and think the same thing when the V8 SS Camaro is released. My only question is this.... Will all V* Camaro's be SS's?? At least I am hoping so to keep things simple for ordering..
For now, we are fairly certain that the SS will be the only V8 at launch.
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Well, it seems the trend is to usually serve up the upscale/faster model after the launch of the car (except in the Challenger's case.) Since we now have a better idea (since there's no official confirmation from GM yet) of the numbers the cars will have, it seems GM should be able to offer up more, especially with the CTS-V and ZR1 cars already out there. I think this is just more confirmation the Z28 will reign supreme
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would it be so bad if the next z28 just had the 420 hp engine,but make the car as light as possible. make a car that does'nt have anything to add weight,may some carbon fiber body panels, make like a show room racer,put the ss on diet and there's your next z28
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I dont think they are gonna release the Z28

They have SS...and its that way throughout all of chevy's lineup...besides the ZR1

SS is kinda the household name for the "best" at the moment.

Even when they made the last camaro...it was the SS

Even the first gens...the SS was the most powerful with the 396

Yes the Z28 had an underrated engine...but not more than 375.

I'd rather have the SS badging

anyways...the more models that chevy offers...the more money it costs to have different variations...so im not seeing a Z28 being offered anytime soon.
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would it be so bad if the next z28 just had the 420 hp engine,but make the car as light as possible. make a car that does'nt have anything to add weight,may some carbon fiber body panels, make like a show room racer,put the ss on diet and there's your next z28
Bad idea...then it would be a no brainer if someone would choose a vette or a camaro...

They are not gonna make the camaro a contender with the vette...they just wont do it people....why do you think they detuned the LS3 for the camaro?...so vette owners wouldnt bitch about it.
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