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Old 10-14-2009, 12:21 PM   #176
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A few months ago when Car and Driver tested the 3.6 Camaro they mentioned it's 0.7 second's faster than the SS396 they tested in 1968. So yeah, a 350 IROC-Z would run with that.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:39 PM   #177
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Does stock performance numbers really mean anything. Anyone that really cares about performance changes things to make them faster, lighter, handle better, ect. So does a badge on the car make it faster? I don't think so. What ever car that GM picks to be the top, you can always make the other one as good as it or better.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:39 PM   #178
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I'm not gonna post magazine tests for those cars because I've seen alot better times for both LOL. My point is the Z28 was good at drag and road racing. It's held records in both. Only the big block SS's are considered drag cars though, and they were the production minority. Funny how a 14 second car was a "drag car" back then! Most 396 SS's and Z28s would have gotten beaten by a 350 TPI IROC-Z in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile and destroyed in every other aspect of performance. One of my friends owns all 3 1st Gen Z28's and he can launch them great! They do lack TQ in the beginning but they come flying up on you!

I wonder if the weights in those tests are accurate. Both over 3700lbs and the Z28 weighing more?! Seems a little heavy for a 1st Gen with a small block.
IMO - that's an interesting point that I don't really think of when these comparisons come up. Good point

To think the V6 Camaro can almost keep up with LT1 Z28s from not too long ago (weighing some 300+ pounds more) is pretty astounding to me. I wonder how long this performance will last? How long will there be a big enough market for GM, or anyone else for that matter, to support developing cars like this. Sure - we'd buy them, but the 17,000+ members we have couldn't justify this sort of car without the general public participating significantly. I'm for appreciating what we have and respectfully reflecting on generations of the past and recognize the huge improvements we've been able to enjoy over the last 40-years.

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Does stock performance numbers really mean anything. Anyone that really cares about performance changes things to make them faster, lighter, handle better, ect. So does a badge on the car make it faster? I don't think so. What ever car that GM picks to be the top, you can always make the other one as good as it or better.
However, sometimes it's easier to start with as good a car as a person wants before dumping God knows how much money into a lesser car. I think everyone enjoys benchracing too
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:56 PM   #179
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The main thing Im seeing in these discussions is that people still want the Z28 option to return whether its top dog or not........Chevrolet, are YOU listening??? These new Camaros have more, no ALOT more HorsePower than we had in the 60s. A V-6 that makes more h.p. than alot of the V-8 versions of Yesterday!!! Better mileage, better handling,alot better safety measures built in the overall car. Camaro enthusiasts still need the Z28 to compete with Fords Mustang Shelby. If Ford can buid a supercharged mustang shelby, why cant Chevrolet follow suit? Not everyone wants a Econo box, there are those,(myself included) who would be interested in seeing a car such as this return to the Chevy performance line-up. Okay Chevrolet........ the balls in your court. How about it F-Bod Father? Talk to me?
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:08 PM   #180
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i have no idea about the history of the z28 versus the SS, hell, i'm not old enough to know the difference. but i think why people are assuming the z28 will be a higher tier than the SS is because of one simple thing: engine

the speculation is that the z-28 will have much more power. although it's only speculation at this point, i think this is the only reason. if no one ever mentioned engine differences, then no one would talk about which version was the higher tier.

just my thought. and that's what i would think too if the z28 comes out with more power or a bigger engine.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:10 PM   #181
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Does stock performance numbers really mean anything. Anyone that really cares about performance changes things to make them faster, lighter, handle better, ect. So does a badge on the car make it faster? I don't think so. What ever car that GM picks to be the top, you can always make the other one as good as it or better.
stock is the common denominator (along with price) when comparing to other manufacturers.
anyone can mod any car (there is no way to compare this) chevettes, pacers, etc... modded can run faster than REAL cars (no offense).
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:08 PM   #182
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The 302 with the 30/30 cam would still be limited to that rpm range. The ability to rev higher would not help it make additional hp.
The cross-ram was dealer installed.
Would like to see dyno numbers.
Even the numbers from Super Chevy magazine's flawed 302/327/350 shoot out done recently (where they used incorrect parts in all of the builds) would seem to point out the RPM advantage of the 302, after 5800 RPM the 327 and 350 HP start to fall off while the 302 HP is still climbing and does not start to fall off until after 6800 RPM. And many other dyno runs by others have shown 302s still pulling strong with higher HP on into the 7500+ RPM range.
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HORSEPOWER NUMBERS (From Super Chevy magazive SBC Shootout)
RPM 302 327 350 350 ('71)
3000 167 196 208 199
3300 184 210 232 223
3500 206 232 254 246
3800 233 261 283 275
4000 248 275 298 291
4300 272 297 318 311
4500 283 308 329 324
4800 301 324 341 340
5000 311 333 347 347
5300 326 344 352 355
5500 333 349 353 361
5800 347 347 350 362
6000 350 348 348 361
6300 353 352 348 353
6500 356 347 342 345
6800 356 339 329 332
7000 352 331 312 319


TORQUE NUMBERS
RPM 302 327 350 350 ('71)
3000 292 332 364 349
3300 293 334 369 354
3500 309 348 381 369
3800 322 360 391 379
4000 325 362 391 382
4300 332 363 389 380
4500 331 360 383 378
4800 329 355 373 372
5000 327 350 364 364
5300 323 341 349 352
5500 318 333 337 345
5800 314 314 317 328
6000 307 305 305 316
6300 295 293 290 295
6500 287 281 277 279
6800 275 262 254 257
7000 264 248 234 239
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