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Old 10-28-2009, 06:33 PM   #26
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Old 10-28-2009, 06:37 PM   #27
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In the 30 years this place has been open we have never blown a motor on a R&D project and would accept full responsibility if we did. We are very experienced in this process and have no doubt it will be successful if someone will step up and donate their car. We've done R&D for the Turbonetics Ford Mustang kits, the Lexus IS-F and many others with no problems.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:33 AM   #28
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As great as a V6 turbo kit would be, many of us did get V6's because of the cost and fuel economy. Also, I'm sure the warranty is important to many V6 drivers.

Paying $6-$7.5k to get SS level performance, lose fuel economy AND void our warranties is asking a LOT. Not to mention we have to worry about smogging our cars in the future.

If it were CARB legal, then that would be a HUGE plus ..... but otherwise, this is a tough sale.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:20 AM   #29
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And Lingefelter bought their test mules. Again, not trying to be harsh, but you are asking someone to donate their car, which at this stage is still fairly rare and more then likely very close to being brand new, if not brand new, so that you can R & D, T & T, on it until things are correct. On a dyno, or on a street/strip (and i would hope that you would put whatever system you design on the street for real world testing. a dyno is a great tool, but it is no replacement for the actually rigors of the real world). With all that testing comes mistakes, lesser then expected response, ie; scrming and intake part II, and possibly just an accident.

In short, to say that giving up a turbo package that might cost $6500 to someone who is donating a car that cost at least $21k, in my case $28k, for you to test, tune and play with is a bit steep, well, that's just not saying much for the people and their cars. I would gladly send you my car if the finished product came back with it, and the guarantee that if anything broke while you had it would be replaced. I wouldn't touch it for just an offer of the guarantee and a discount. I'm the one doing all the giving, I should get something in return.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:57 PM   #31
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A $7,000 V6 kit is a good idea, it will give you the option. Good stuff is what it's all about and you get what you pay for. A good turbo will run about $1500 bucks. Wastegates are another $300-500. A blowoff valve is $300+. Stainless steel tubing is in the $300 range.

Now lets talk about the intercooler. A bell core is $800 bucks without tanks. All of the aluminum tubing is about $200. Vband clamps can cost up to $400. You already have over $4,000 just in parts before you start with the fuel system, and pay people to build it for you and back the parts they sell. That's with all good stuff and no worries.

Just looked on eBay and can build a kit for about $4500 bucks out the door. That will include a no name turbo that leaks, a blow me valve from China, a wastegate that comes from a site call cheapturboparts dort com, some steel tubing that will rust in a couple of months, and a nice ricer intercooler that is going to leak. The best part is there is no warranty! You will be working on your car more than you get to drive it!

Not trying to be a negative Nancy. I know a $7000-8000 turbo kit seems like a lot, but if you do it right it won't cost you in the long run.
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:36 PM   #32
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i just feel that a twin turbo, or even a single turbo should make way more power than you are projecting. I am interested in this turbo though.
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:50 PM   #33
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i just feel that a twin turbo, or even a single turbo should make way more power than you are projecting. I am interested in this turbo though.

Since they have been busy ill try and help them a little here.. The turbo kit is capable of making more power then stated above( the beauty of turbo kit is the boost controller) the STOCK motor is whats limiting the numbers ...Im sure someone will make 500 with a stock 6 banger but not for long...A good turbo/performance shop is not going to push the limits of the stock motor...


Just play with them a little
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:01 PM   #34
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:04 PM   #35
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I want what Jay's car has at SEMA.

lol im sure it has a F/I motor in it... I would drive the crap out of the little 6..
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:45 PM   #36
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I want what Jay's car has at SEMA.
jay's gm camaro only made 425hp the fuel delivery is the limitation they said
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:11 AM   #37
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We are looking to retail between $6000-7500.

A gentleman just called to see the discount for the donor car and it's very difficult to project ahead of time because we are unaware of the EXACT amount. That is why we have the option to not keep the kit if it's out of your price range once it's determined.
So you are asking for someone to just drop their car off for 2 weeks with absolutely no guarantee other than a $300 gift certificate.....I dropped my car off at a local shop for a week and they are giving me a complete system (powder coated headers, stainless catback, etc) for free.....

P.S - I don't really see the point in this...a 2SS version of my car would have been about $6k more....why would I pay $8k to give my car SS performance instead of just buying an SS?
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:21 AM   #38
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So you are asking for someone to just drop their car off for 2 weeks with absolutely no guarantee other than a $300 gift certificate.....I dropped my car off at a local shop for a week and they are giving me a complete system (powder coated headers, stainless catback, etc) for free.....

P.S - I don't really see the point in this...a 2SS version of my car would have been about $6k more....why would I pay $8k to give my car SS performance instead of just buying an SS?
there are in fact a number of different reasons to go the turbo v6 route... couple of things that come to mind:

1) Still paying V6 insurance rates... big deal for some...
2) Could only afford to start out with a V6... upgrade to a turbo at a later date, without having to take a big deprecation hit moving from V6 to V8
3) Uniqueness of a turbo v6

in reality a turbo kit to really sell well i think will need to be closer to the $5,000 price than $8,000
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Old 02-07-2010, 02:02 PM   #39
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Teamturbo, I'll let you use the car for 2 weeks but leave the finish product on the car at the end. Your not gonna get anyone to do it for 300 bucks so ship mine to you and stop this craziness. Turbocharge me up and send her back
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:54 AM   #40
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:40 AM   #41
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We bought V6s cuz we are either cheap or income compromised. If we weren't, we would have an SS and might be considering a Supercharger or a turbo.
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Old 02-11-2010, 10:34 AM   #42
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We bought V6s cuz we are either cheap or income compromised. If we weren't, we would have an SS and might be considering a Supercharger or a turbo.
none of the above applies to me lol. But yeah if its going to cost 7k and if i wanted that kind of power that bad I would just sell mines and get a v8
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there are in fact a number of different reasons to go the turbo v6 route... couple of things that come to mind:

1) Still paying V6 insurance rates... big deal for some...
2) Could only afford to start out with a V6... upgrade to a turbo at a later date, without having to take a big deprecation hit moving from V6 to V8
3) Uniqueness of a turbo v6

in reality a turbo kit to really sell well i think will need to be closer to the $5,000 price than $8,000

yea i would drop $5,000 for it. and i like scrmings points plus MPG. Im all for the turbo tho! . . .for the right price that is
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turbo/supercharger setup for the v6 should be between 4-6k max out the door. Otherwise there is virtually no market for it. The rumored price tag at lingenfelter for their supercharger setup (v6) is around 4k. Again just rumoured.
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The rumored price tag at lingenfelter for their supercharger setup (v6) is around 4k.
Its gonna be at least $6k!
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Its gonna be at least $6k!
what source did you get that information from
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:14 PM   #49
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any know where i can get a turbo manifold for 2010 camaro V6? Lookign around but couldnt find any...
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there are in fact a number of different reasons to go the turbo v6 route... couple of things that come to mind:

1) Still paying V6 insurance rates... big deal for some...
2) Could only afford to start out with a V6... upgrade to a turbo at a later date, without having to take a big deprecation hit moving from V6 to V8
3) Uniqueness of a turbo v6

in reality a turbo kit to really sell well i think will need to be closer to the $5,000 price than $8,000
Exactly.

Gang, these guys make some great things, they've been around, trust them seriously.

I do not have a Camaro, however I have a 3.6 in my Saturn Aura XR, I look at the Camaro V6 as a big brother and I'm a huge fan of this vehicle, so I have a vested interest in its success.

If I could make a recommendation. Go with a single. The vehicle will sound much better, cost of the kit will be reduced, weight reduced. Who cares about lag, you can spin the tires off in 1st gear anyways, and once you shift you want to be in a hearty power band top end.

I'm not sure what turbo's you have access too, but I'm sure you guys will know how to read a compressor map, and you'll notice that at the low boost pressures you guys are going to be running, you'll need a larger turbo to keep the adiabatic effiency up. I think perhaps you should provide two options for your kit. Smaller single, and larger single.

I'd love to see what you're planning on fueling, the mechanical pump is going to be a pain. I suggest you talk to ZZP to find out what they are doing on the 2.0 LNF pumps for increased pressure and volume.

Good luck keep us updated. Someone with this car should definately supply it...

Oh.. And you're gonna need another clutch!
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