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Old 07-08-2008, 04:18 PM   #1
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Death of the New Z28 Camaro

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :(


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unless you hear it from FBODFATHER, bob lutz or one of the Camaro group dont believe it.
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Wow another sky is falling rag article that has no facts to base its self on.....
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:31 PM   #4
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Hey Guys,

They just shut down the whole Camaro project. No Camaro will even be revealed at Indy this year. even 6 cylinder engines are getting phased out.


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Well, Camp' is a known Ford-lover (at least former.) He was an author or editor at MM&FF or what ever that Ford mag' was called. Although I enjoyed his many contributions to GMHTP over the last several years, I think this was just something to post to stir the pot. Why would GM not announce it sooner.

Regardless, I'll be e-mailing the address he left, just in case ;D

On another related note: ONLY 5000 cars a year?! WTF?! I can see many crappy dealers taking advantage of that and marking them up crazy...
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what you didn't hear he was actually on Io a moon of jupiter
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It would just increase the value of the 5th gen Camaros 10 fold if they ended up being that rare.

only sold for one year.


but dont belive it
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you know...it bothers me that the execs cut the budget from 25 million to 12 million....

Damn these democrats and tree huggers..i swear we need to take this country back

i will seriously start some major campaign if they kill the camaro over this crap...come on the v6 is getting 27 mpg....and anybody who buys a v8 never cared about mpg's

gm don't buy into the hype start making commercials asking for congress to drill

if gm gets on the ball we will start something
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550 hp - check, beefed up IRS - check, 4,000lbs - Who really buyes a 4,000lb pony car in this day and age? Except for those who want that fat pig of a car GT500 or GT500KR.
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550 hp - check, beefed up IRS - check, 4,000lbs - Who really buyes a 4,000lb pony car in this day and age? Except for those who want that fat pig of a car GT500 or GT500KR.
its going to be heavy... hate to tell you. maybe not quite 2 tons, but close.
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550 hp - check, beefed up IRS - check, 4,000lbs - Who really buyes a 4,000lb pony car in this day and age? Except for those who want that fat pig of a car GT500 or GT500KR.
The Challenger is over 4k lbs.
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It mentioned they were afraid it would hurt their image in these "green" times. So, just make it E85 compatible and you're done.
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Agreed, unless Fbodfather says so, I think we're good. I'll take a guess how this happened: Doubtless there is an executive who hates the Camaro project. There's one in every family, as they say. I'm sure he talks about how the project should be shut down, especially if it doesn't sell so many units. He'll talk about how the Z28 will ruin the General's image and will negate any positive publicity the Volt generates. And he'll talk about this in meetings, and to his staff, and somewhere in there some junior worker, perhaps an intern, misunderstands how much sway this person has, takes their rantings as gospel truth, and whether in panicked desperation or desiring to earn their blogosphere stripes, they become a source to the yellow journalists.

Yes, the Z28 will not help the CAFE effort, and certainly won't impress the green hipsters, but if it keeps a low profile (just like the first gen Z28) it should earn the General a decent buck as a performance cult car.
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you know...it bothers me that the execs cut the budget from 25 million to 12 million....

Damn these democrats and tree huggers..i swear we need to take this country back

i will seriously start some major campaign if they kill the camaro over this crap...come on the v6 is getting 27 mpg....and anybody who buys a v8 never cared about mpg's

gm don't buy into the hype start making commercials asking for congress to drill

if gm gets on the ball we will start something
I resent that, I'm a democrat.

Just screwing around. I AM a democrat, but I think this has gone too far. The times, they are a'changin - bigger isn't better anymore. The thing about other countries is that they don't use cars to show off status or image as much as we do, so I guess that's what this is all about. All these green cars just don't look cool or perform cool... speed costs money, I guess.

Either way, I'll take this article with a pinch of salt. I was more scared about the Camaro being killed anyway, since I don't plan on getting a Z28, I'm just going for the SS.
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So you being a democrat I'm curious what you think of Obama's insistence that we can double the mileage of cars with parts off the shelf. If he gets elected he'll force the automakers to do just that.
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So you being a democrat I'm curious what you think of Obama's insistence that we can double the mileage of cars with parts off the shelf. If he gets elected he'll force the automakers to do just that.
I'm SURE we can do that. All we have to do is eliminate dead weight like Catalytic Converters, Air bags, 5MPH Bumpers, Side Door Beams, Passenger Seatbelt sensors, child locks, etc.
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So you being a democrat I'm curious what you think of Obama's insistence that we can double the mileage of cars with parts off the shelf. If he gets elected he'll force the automakers to do just that.
I REALLY hope this doesn't make me sound stupid but... I never listened to that speech, what do you mean? I don't hear ANY of the speeches.

I'm a democrat in the respect that I'm liberal. I'm a liberal person and I support almost anything anybody does - it's their life, do what they want, so that usually translates to being a democrat. I honestly don't take politics that seriously. I look at it more realistically - there's nothing I can do about it, I'm just one person... so why complain? It's a waste of breath, and GOD forbid I set someone off, then I'll waste even more, not to mention I can't stand arguing.

All I know is that until technology is advanced enough for them to suck extraordinary power and awesome sound and torque out of a combustion engine burning something other than gas, green cars will remain bland for the most part, and yes, that is coming from a car lover sensibly so. We may all want a Camaro, but we're still a fanbase, we're not America. The overwhelming majority want a fuel-efficient vehicle which, yes, in the midst of these absurd prices is the smart thing to want. I never said I was doing the right thing when I spent 11K on a 78' Trans Am that I found out had a rusted out gas tank causing it to stall from rust flakes clogging the fuel filter, but it was the car lover in me.

The point I'm trying to reach though, is I just want my damn Camaro and I want to enjoy it for what it is: a fast, fun, awesome-looking machine. Spending a crapload of money for gasoline on your Camaro to me is like buying the most expensive foods and toys for your favorite dog. It's worth it if you love it.
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By the way I just want to be clear, I wasn't attempting to attack you for being attached to the CAFE party. I was seriously curious if you agreed with that position (assuming you're for BHO). Being a Republican there are certainly many things in my party platform I don't agree with. The funny thing is, I'm Republican for about the same reason you say you're a Democrat. I've always seen the Left and the Democratic party as telling me what I can and can't drive, what I can and can't believe, etc. I think that makes us both more on the libertarian side than anything. But now we're very . Sorry mods.
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The point I'm trying to reach though, is I just want my damn Camaro and I want to enjoy it for what it is: a fast, fun, awesome-looking machine. Spending a crapload of money for gasoline on your Camaro to me is like buying the most expensive foods and toys for your favorite dog. It's worth it if you love it.

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By the way I just want to be clear, I wasn't attempting to attack you for being attached to the CAFE party. I was seriously curious if you agreed with that position (assuming you're for BHO). Being a Republican there are certainly many things in my party platform I don't agree with. The funny thing is, I'm Republican for about the same reason you say you're a Democrat. I've always seen the Left and the Democratic party as telling me what I can and can't drive, what I can and can't believe, etc. I think that makes us both more on the libertarian side than anything. But now we're very . Sorry mods.
I don't like the CAFE standards at all. The only justification I will give them is that they mean well. It's nice to save the world and spend less on gas but man... it's all happening so... fast! (LOL!) I love fast cars and muscle cars... I love that smell of carbon and old vinyl when I go to car shows. I mean... can this all slow down just a bit? Give us some room to breath? This time last year in my neck of the woods, prices were still under $3.00 a gallon.

Oh well. It's the way of the world. All I know is that I got my lemon squisher ready and rarin' to go.
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It would be fun to take a poll of the political leanings of Camaro5 members; more detailed than Republican/Conservative vs. Democrat/Liberal. Throw some libertarian, statists, etc in there. But anyway...

Yes, we're a unique breed of people. We'll willing to spend more money on our cars because they're not just transportation, they're also our passion/hobby/whatever you want to call it. Most people spend the minimum to meet their transportation utility needs, reliability, and comfort standards, which is just fine. What I worry about is with all these normal people demanding ultimate economy, so many people forget that people like us still deserve the right and ability to drive the cars that interest us.
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I understand the frustration with new regulations, but don't blame the government for forcing car companies to be more conservationist. There is a widespread movement favoring cleaner emissions, and much of that is grassroots. Sure, we aren't hardcore about it here, but we can tolerate a 36-mpg car with a lot of horsepower just as much as we can tolerate a 12-mpg car with a lot of horsepower.

For performance brands, like Chevrolet, the goal for their prominent vehicles is horsepower. Chevrolet tends to be ahead of the curve, but some brands would likely slack in the environmental department. All the government is doing is keeping the market moving toward higher efficiency. This benefits more than hippies. Allow me to explain.

If we can produce high-efficiency, high-horsepower combustion engines, we can use that technology in every sector of production. This benefits everyone by lowering costs of fuel over time since everyone from drivers to production facilities will have to pay less for fuel. CAFE regulations are just giving companies a push in that direction.

We have had technology that has not progressed in efficiency for a long time. As lately as the fourth generation Camaro, the V8 has had mediocre gas mileage that could be better, as proven by the 110-mpg Mustang that someone built. The technology is readily available, but no one seems to be pushing for a high-horsepower, high-efficiency motor from GM, Ford, or Chrysler even though those are America's V8 champions. For most buyers, horsepower, exhaust note, and torque are the top priorities of V8 buyers. If you demanded higher efficiency, maybe it would already be there. All CAFE regulations do is promote these regulations for societal advancement in the technology sector.
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I don't like the CAFE standards at all. The only justification I will give them is that they mean well. It's nice to save the world and spend less on gas but man... it's all happening so... fast! (LOL!) I love fast cars and muscle cars... I love that smell of carbon and old vinyl when I go to car shows. I mean... can this all slow down just a bit? Give us some room to breath? This time last year in my neck of the woods, prices were still under $3.00 a gallon.

Oh well. It's the way of the world. All I know is that I got my lemon squisher ready and rarin' to go.
cafe standards is just communism and not what our founding fathers intended

let the market decide if a certain type of car should die...we don't need the government telling us or our companies how they should make cars
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I understand the frustration with new regulations, but don't blame the government for forcing car companies to be more conservationist. There is a widespread movement favoring cleaner emissions, and much of that is grassroots. Sure, we aren't hardcore about it here, but we can tolerate a 36-mpg car with a lot of horsepower just as much as we can tolerate a 12-mpg car with a lot of horsepower.

For performance brands, like Chevrolet, the goal for their prominent vehicles is horsepower. Chevrolet tends to be ahead of the curve, but some brands would likely slack in the environmental department. All the government is doing is keeping the market moving toward higher efficiency. This benefits more than hippies. Allow me to explain.

If we can produce high-efficiency, high-horsepower combustion engines, we can use that technology in every sector of production. This benefits everyone by lowering costs of fuel over time since everyone from drivers to production facilities will have to pay less for fuel. CAFE regulations are just giving companies a push in that direction.
If people didn't force the company with their buying habits to make this a priority then why is the gov forcing it upon it's people? sounds like big brother to me. I don't know what's best for me so the gov is telling me what is best for me. sorry the gov stepped in where it shouldn't have IMHO.
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