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Old 11-03-2009, 08:32 PM   #1
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chrysler

do any one of you guys feel bad for chrysler? like dodge ram is going to be its own brand, and the chally isnt selling much, and a bunch of cars are going to be axed and replaced with fiat. i kinda feel bad for them and their fans. lol i go to chally talk and its different from here. over there, their company is not doing so well, and the camaro is selling like hot cakes.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:35 PM   #2
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I do feel bad...They've lost "the game". But then again, I don't...virtually nothing they've put out is competitive in the market beyond looks, and that's subjective...so what could anyone expect?

And now they're going to be mangled up by Fiat --
What comes out of the other end may look good, but it won't be Chrysler as we know it now. :(
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:38 PM   #3
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It really makes me sick. Like them or not they were great cars for some ,great rivals for others. I don't think your going to see much left that is chrysler if they make it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:41 PM   #4
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yea, one american company down the drain. its kind of their fault though. atleast mercedes was helping with the quality. i like the friendly rivalry from the pony cars. i hope the chally doesnt go anywhere.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:43 PM   #5
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Do you feel bad for Toyota building 3.8 million cars then recalling them? It is up to the company to produce good products. I feel bad for a company when it can't function due to reasons out of its control, but when a company builds decent cars and only performs decently, it is up to expectations.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:45 PM   #6
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Do you feel bad for Toyota building 3.8 million cars then recalling them? It is up to the company to produce good products. I feel bad for a company when it can't function due to reasons out of its control, but when a company builds decent cars and only performs decently, it is up to expectations.
I don't feel bad for toyota on any thing. They can go back to japan for all I care.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:54 PM   #7
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I don't feel bad for toyota on any thing. They can go back to japan for all I care.
That's a good place for them.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:12 PM   #8
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I don't feel bad for toyota on any thing. They can go back to japan for all I care.
Indeed.

Chrysler...

Chrysler isn't trying. They really aren't. Look at what GM and Ford did once they got back on their feet. What has Chrysler done? Created a new brand when GM was killing brands and downsizing? What does Chrysler have to compete with the Malibu and Fusion? What does Chrysler have to compete with the Equinox and Terrain? Look at their sales figures, down over 30% in a month when GM and Ford were up.

Sorry Chrysler, but if you're not going to put forth any effort NOW, you're going to be dead in a few years. Fiat can't do everything.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:16 PM   #9
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I feel bad for any long standing American company that goes away...especially something as important as a car company, but I do agree to a certain extent a company needs to compete to survive.

I feel bad for Chrysler in that I feel Daimler really screwed them over and then dumped them...and Fiat isn't equipped to change the current situation enough to save them (at least as we know them now).
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:19 PM   #10
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Indeed.

Chrysler...

Chrysler isn't trying. They really aren't. Look at what GM and Ford did once they got back on their feet. What has Chrysler done? Created a new brand when GM was killing brands and downsizing? What does Chrysler have to compete with the Malibu and Fusion? What does Chrysler have to compete with the Equinox and Terrain? Look at their sales figures, down over 30% in a month when GM and Ford were up.

Sorry Chrysler, but if you're not going to put forth any effort NOW, you're going to be dead in a few years. Fiat can't do everything.
The thing is Fiat has nothing to lose here and everything to gain even if chrysler doesn't make it. I believe they just wanted to get a dealer network in the us to sell their own cars. The thing to remember is Chrysler isn't really american anymore we just own some stock in a worthless company. What a fricken shame.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:25 PM   #11
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Some of you are probably going to hang me for this. I think it would be cool if Ford and/or GM bought the jeep name and the right's too the Chally and Viper. However I would only want this if the company was too go under.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:32 PM   #12
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Some of you are probably going to hang me for this. I think it would be cool if Ford and/or GM bought the jeep name and the right's too the Chally and Viper. However I would only want this if the company was too go under.
this doesnt sound too bad when you think about it. its a shame to throw away perfectly good vehicles away, like jeeps and the chally and viper. idk. we might not see them around soon like the gto and ford gt :(
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I sort of feel bad because they are American, but they've always been 3rd. My dad said when he was young he didn't really know anyone with a Chrysler. All Chevy's and Ford's.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:37 PM   #14
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Some of you are probably going to hang me for this. I think it would be cool if Ford and/or GM bought the jeep name and the right's too the Chally and Viper. However I would only want this if the company was too go under.
Gm is cutting brands. I don't think they would be smart to bring in two cars in classes that they already rule on. Now the jeep , that might be a thought. Jeeps where made by a lot of different people back in the day so why not.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:54 PM   #15
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Some of you are probably going to hang me for this. I think it would be cool if Ford and/or GM bought the jeep name and the right's too the Chally and Viper. However I would only want this if the company was too go under.
Actually, I was hoping that GM would get approved to purchase Chrysler before bankruptcy. The government denied the loan necessary for this to happen last year. I wanted GM to take the Jeep brand and the Ram brand while selling most of the other assets. It would have been nice to have a couple of specialty cars, like the Prowler and the Challenger for sale at Chevy dealers using their original badging. GM would then be able to build a variety of historic muscle cars and that could be its identity in the automotive market.

Obviously, I spent too much time thinking about this.
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Actually, I was hoping that GM would get approved to purchase Chrysler before bankruptcy. The government denied the loan necessary for this to happen last year. I wanted GM to take the Jeep brand and the Ram brand while selling most of the other assets. It would have been nice to have a couple of specialty cars, like the Prowler and the Challenger for sale at Chevy dealers using their original badging. GM would then be able to build a variety of historic muscle cars and that could be its identity in the automotive market.

Obviously, I spent too much time thinking about this.
I agree that would have been good. Except, Gm was is noway able to pull chrysler up and staighten themselves out at the same time.
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:31 PM   #17
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They shuld of let the employees buy it when they wanted it.

Instead they force it into Serb hands who only want it to make a quick profit, they had no intrest in a long term running of the company.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:49 PM   #18
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i feel bad...but the challenger is selling great and it is a low volume car compared to the other 2. so no not at all for the challenger.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:39 AM   #19
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I'm interested in seeing what happens, IMO the only thing Chrysler had going for them were the Trucks and Jeeps, and in the past couple years they were messing up the jeep brand; compass/patriot . Everything else was just awful, not so much so for the Challenger/Charger and Viper and two of those I'm not even that fond of but the sebring, caliber/avenger, and nitro can all burn. I guess the Caravan is ok but who wants to buy an ugly ass minivan when you could get an Escape or Equinox cheaper and get better gas milage. while looking better doing it. Do Ford or GM even sell minivans anymore? Every Dodge/Chrysler my family or friends have ever owned has needed a new transmission, ranging from a '93 Newyorker to an '04 Ram, in between there were a couple vans and a Stratus. I say good riddance, maybe Fiat can make them not suck so bad.

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Old 11-04-2009, 05:39 AM   #20
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i feel bad...but the challenger is selling great and it is a low volume car compared to the other 2. so no not at all for the challenger.
Would not consider 3,000 units a month as "selling great."

Chrysler doesn't need a low-volume car, they need a new Sebring, a new Caliber, a completely revamped lineup...
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:58 AM   #21
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here is what I dont get... funny story actually.

I go to take my father in law to pick up his 2001 Ram that needs a clutch at the dealership. I roll up in the camaro and park in the service area but its closed so we walk over to the sales area. I see two nice SRT8 challys with a MSRP then an added sticker for paint protector = $795 and something called L.O.A. = $3,000. So I ask a salesman... "hey whats LOA?" reply sternly "Lack Of Avalibility" So I say.."oh mark up" and walk off. Then he says we also have a nice Camaro SS over there" so me being the smart ass I am, I say, "No I have a really nice camaro SS right on the other side of that building." He walks off... So I go look at the Camaro... all be damned if it isnt SIM with black hood and hockey stripes!

So then i go inside, a third SRT8 with LOA... hmm 3 at one dealer, seems pretty available to me. Maybe someone needs to tell these guys to wake up. It should have said L.O.D = -$3,000... Lack of Demand!

Sorry Chrysler...
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:37 AM   #22
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"LOA" that is the laugh of the day....."LOD" is more like it.

My local dealer has 6 Challengers sitting in his lot collecting dust. I do like the b5 blue, though.
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Would not consider 3,000 units a month as "selling great."

Chrysler doesn't need a low-volume car, they need a new Sebring, a new Caliber, a completely revamped lineup...
yeah, and it's actually been under 2,000 units several times.
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That is their biggest problem.

There is no lack of aanything, they are just creating a lack of car my marking them up another $4000, its like the dealers want to go out of business.
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I will only feel bad for them if I can have a 2009 300C SRT8

My opinon on the Challenger not selling much, is because of the competitors it has, Mustang and Camaro; Who want's a 427 Horse $43,000+ car (SRT8) when you can have a 426 Horse $34,500+ car (2SS)?
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