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Old 11-04-2009, 07:19 AM   #1
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Toyotas Suddenly Accelerate; Owners Up In Arms

And the saga continues. Slashdot actually picked this one up...

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Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

Safety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden& my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.



Toyota officials refused to talk with ABC News about the incidents, but posted a statement from executive Bob Daly on its website last night that said: "Some news reports suggest there may be other causes of unintended acceleration, speculating about electronic engine control systems, braking performance or electro-magnetic interference among other theories. There is no evidence to support these theories."
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And there could be a double meaning with the title that I just noticed, hah.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:09 AM   #2
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With DBW, there are a lot more things that control your throttle than the gas pedal. And Toyota's response is absolutely typical. "There's no evidence. Have a nice day."

Could have at least given a "we'll look into it."
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:13 AM   #3
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With DBW, there are a lot more things that control your throttle than the gas pedal. And Toyota's response is absolutely typical. "There's no evidence. Have a nice day."

Could have at least given a "we'll look into it."
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:56 AM   #4
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I've known that it wasn't the floor mats since last year. Toyota has no idea and if they don't start taking it seriously, they'll be worse off than GM was(already might be with trends in Japan).

If it weren't for me being sensitive about those who lost friends and family members, I say it'd make a great Chevy ad since they are constantly comparing themselves to Toyota now. "Our cars don't try to kill you" or "Fully functional floor mats" maybe.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:34 PM   #5
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That's funny.
All these people that are up in arms!! These are probably the same people that thought "American" cars were crap!!?!?
How's that recall treating ya?!?! lol lol lol
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:46 PM   #6
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I thought the car mat excuse sounded a little shady, it's happened to often.
If your car started surging and going faster and faster, wouldn't you just throw it into neutral and brake? I wouldn't recommend shuting it off, you'd lose power steeing and brakes, but am I missing something? Your gonna let your car go 100 mph and plow into a person, another car, or a bridge abutment? I'd throw it into neutral, brake and let the engine blow before I killed myself or someone else. Maybe it's just me, or I don't fully understand the problem.
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I thought the car mat excuse sounded a little shady, it's happened to often.
If your car started surging and going faster and faster, wouldn't you just throw it into neutral and brake? I wouldn't recommend shuting it off, you'd lose power steeing and brakes, but am I missing something? Your gonna let your car go 100 mph and plow into a person, another car, or a bridge abutment? I'd throw it into neutral, brake and let the engine blow before I killed myself or someone else. Maybe it's just me, or I don't fully understand the problem.
A lot of people do not know that you can place an automatic transmission car in neutral while it is in motion. In fact, last winter at one of our guard drills we had a "winter driving safety" lecture (stupid, but manditory) and I added that if you start sliding, placing the car in neutral can help regain traction. Everybody was convinced that it would only work on a manual transmission - I guess they didn't learn and practice quickly throwing the car in neutral in drivers ed like I did.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:14 PM   #8
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I thought the car mat excuse sounded a little shady, it's happened to often.
If your car started surging and going faster and faster, wouldn't you just throw it into neutral and brake? I wouldn't recommend shuting it off, you'd lose power steeing and brakes, but am I missing something? Your gonna let your car go 100 mph and plow into a person, another car, or a bridge abutment? I'd throw it into neutral, brake and let the engine blow before I killed myself or someone else. Maybe it's just me, or I don't fully understand the problem.
... You don't understand why people don't throw it into neutral or why people are making fuss about a car that could potentially kill you and many others?
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... You don't understand why people don't throw it into neutral or why people are making fuss about a car that could potentially kill you and many others?
If the Prius's electronic system is causing the problem, remember that neutral is controlled by the same electronic system...That is why hitting the brake would not work either.. Also I don't think the key can be turned without placing the car in park as well.. SOmething to think about when the car suddenly starts to hit 90-120 uncontrollably. The only thing they can do if none of th eabove works that will slow it down is pull up the parking brake however that could cause a serious accident as well.
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... You don't understand why people don't throw it into neutral or why people are making fuss about a car that could potentially kill you and many others?

I didn't say that I don't understand why people are making a fuss (where did you get that from?). This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

What I did say was that if my car suddendly surged and was going faster and faster and I can't stop it, I would put it into neutral and brake to avoid getting killed.
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I didn't say that I don't understand why people are making a fuss (where did you get that from?). This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

What I did say was that if my car suddendly surged and was going faster and faster and I can't stop it, I would put it into neutral and brake to avoid getting killed.
Oh ok. But the way it looks you meant like "Those guys are idiots. They should just throw it in neutral to get it to stop." You made it sound like that is a normal thing to do lol.
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If the Prius's electronic system is causing the problem, remember that neutral is controlled by the same electronic system...That is why hitting the brake would not work either.. Also I don't think the key can be turned without placing the car in park as well.. SOmething to think about when the car suddenly starts to hit 90-120 uncontrollably.
Well neutral would prevent any further increase in MPH. You'd still rev it up like crazy, which would most likely blow the engine. It seems the computer can differentiate between gears, it just doesn't know how much throttle is too much.
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Oh ok. But the way it looks you meant like "Those guys are idiots. They should just throw it in neutral to get it to stop." You made it sound like that is a normal thing to do lol.
Nope not calling anyone idiots....Just sayin if my car kept accelerating and I couldn't prevent that, I would try anything (like putting it in neutral to prevent increasing speeds) rather than hit something at 100 mph.

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Well neutral would prevent any further increase in MPH. You'd still rev it up like crazy, which would most likely blow the engine. It seems the computer can differentiate between gears, it just doesn't know how much throttle is too much.
Exactly my point, and I'd rather blow the engine (which I stated) than get killed or kill someone.
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Well neutral would prevent any further increase in MPH. You'd still rev it up like crazy, which would most likely blow the engine. It seems the computer can differentiate between gears, it just doesn't know how much throttle is too much.
I believe the rev limiter would keep the motor from blowing up besides that's better than dying.
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Nope not calling anyone idiots....Just sayin if my car kept accelerating and I couldn't prevent that, I would try anything (like putting it in neutral to prevent increasing speeds) rather than hit something at 100 mph.



Exactly my point, and I'd rather blow the engine (which I stated) than get killed or kill someone.
Oh I got ya. I agree with ya there. In a desperate attempt, just throw it in park if you really think you fixing to hit somebody.
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I agree with putting it in neutral. My first reaction: Why in hell would you not touch the shifter??

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#1 What should I do when my gas pedal is stuck to the floor:
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I agree with putting it in neutral. My first reaction: Why in hell would you not touch the shifter??

Every driver should take a course every 5 years: Emergency 101
#1 What should I do when my gas pedal is stuck to the floor:
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B) Examine what is wrong with the gas pedal
C) Put car in neutral & push on brakes.
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Why? Isn't that the most logical one? Examine the pedal, swerve, hit a tree & you're stopped. Problem solved.
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I can see them panicking. Toyota drivers have probably never seen speeds above 100kph! (60 mph)
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I agree with putting it in neutral. My first reaction: Why in hell would you not touch the shifter??

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#1 What should I do when my gas pedal is stuck to the floor:
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My dad and uncle both own an '07 Tundra crewmax limited, My mom owns a '08 Sequoya (dunno how to spell it), and haven't had a single problem.. But my dad did take his and trade in on a platinum tundra crewmax this week and they told him they didn't have the floormats for it cause of the recall so he told them it was fine and to throw in remote start, and he said he would and asked why he wanted it... "Well my son's 2010 Camaro is gonna have it and he can't have something i dont." haha.. His tundra is a hell of a nice truck, and by far my favorite as far as trucks go, but.. My Cam is still better! anyways.. I like to ramble..
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I can see them panicking. Toyota drivers have probably never seen speeds above 100kph! (60 mph)
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And btw.. My dads Tundra hit 122 the other and i think it had just a little more in it.. Not to hate or anything...but.. It'll outrun ford chevy or dodge i promise.. In fact i've been in the truck several times when its happened..
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Yea, i ran a Tundra 5.7 Ext cab in my GM Stage II Cobalt SS Supercharged, and it was exactly neck in neck up till 70 kph. (then he backed off). Right from a dig, i did lose a pinch on the 1-2 shift though, just a pinch.
It ticked me off he didn't want to run more, 70 kph is right where max boost starts coming!
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