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Old 11-06-2009, 07:12 AM   #1
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Anyone Remember the EV1

Saw an interesting show on the green network , ( Who Killed the Electric Car) was wondering how many others saw it ?



GM why did you abandon the EV1 seems there was quite a bit of interest in it , and I wonder how much of the tech. from the EV1 is going into the Volt , why start from scratch GM , why didn't you keep developing the EV1 ? Seems like such a waste of time , money and materials to just scrap all of those cars hope that kind of waste is all behind them now
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over half of the Gen I EV1s were recalled due to a potential fire hazard during charging.
plus the cost of production, upkeep, and parts/storage came into effect as well. it was a cool idea for those who drive less than 100 miles between charges, but having a built in generator (the Volt) opens the door for much longer travel... if you so wished.
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It cost more to maintain the cars than was economically feasible. Not to mention the limited range and impracticality of only two seats.

Volt is light-years ahead of the EV1's technology anyways.

And who said GM started from scratch? The Volt incorporates many of the lessons learned from the EV1 program, just vastly improved.
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over half of the Gen I EV1s were recalled due to a potential fire hazard during charging.
plus the cost of production, upkeep, and parts/storage came into effect as well. it was a cool idea for those who drive less than 100 miles between charges, but having a built in generator (the Volt) opens the door for much longer travel... if you so wished.
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It cost more to maintain the cars than was economically feasible. Not to mention the limited range and impracticality of only two seats.

Volt is light-years ahead of the EV1's technology anyways.

And who said GM started from scratch? The Volt incorporates many of the lessons learned from the EV1 program, just vastly improved.
Why crush them though , they had an offer of over a million for the 78 that were left , seems like such a waste
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Why crush them though , they had an offer of over a million for the 78 that were left , seems like such a waste
The same reason GM can't sell IVER cars to the public and has to crush them. Liability.
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The same reason GM can't sell IVER cars to the public and has to crush them. Liability.
These cars were leased to the public , they could have sold them but they chose to collect them and crush them , instead of letting the ppl that leased them purchase them seems funny to me
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These cars were leased to the public , they could have sold them but they chose to collect them and crush them , instead of letting the ppl that leased them purchase them seems funny to me
Okay, think about this for a second.

GM allows you to have one of the EV1s.

Something breaks down in it.

You head to AutoZone and ask for the part. The guy at the counter gives you a weird look and says he's never heard of it before.

You go to your dealership and ask for the part. The service writer says he's not sure what part you're looking for, then looks at your car and says he's never had one of these in for service ever, and the only places trained to service this vehicle were where they were leased.

You end up calling a parts supplier who supplied parts for the EV1 and ask for the part, and they tell you that due to a lack of parts demand and the limited production for the EV1, nobody makes parts anymore.

Or...

GM allows you to own an EV1.

Some electrical problems occur and your car catches on fire.

You sue GM for selling you a car that caught on fire.

Trust me, there were very valid reasons for crushing the EV1s. The technology was still largely unproven during that time, and GM wasn't sure whether or not it would hold up after time. If something failed and an injury or death resulted, GM would be in a LOT of trouble.

Take for example the Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles built by GM. There are plenty of people driving those around...but they will be collected and crushed by GM once they're done with the program. It doesn't matter how many people whine and moan about it, GM can't take that kind of risk, because again, if something goes wrong, GM will take the fall for it.

The reason it seems funny to you is because that's what the movie was intended to do, make people question why GM would do such a thing. The movie is basically a huge conspiracy theory to get people to think GM was trying to steer people away from electric cars and into trucks and SUVs. The problem is, it doesn't present all the facts regarding the program. All it tells you is that GM had built an electric car, but then decided to screw it and crushed them all. It doesn't tell you any rationale behind the decision.
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Okay, think about this for a second.

GM allows you to have one of the EV1s.

Something breaks down in it.

You head to AutoZone and ask for the part. The guy at the counter gives you a weird look and says he's never heard of it before.

You go to your dealership and ask for the part. The service writer says he's not sure what part you're looking for, then looks at your car and says he's never had one of these in for service ever, and the only places trained to service this vehicle were where they were leased.

You end up calling a parts supplier who supplied parts for the EV1 and ask for the part, and they tell you that due to a lack of parts demand and the limited production for the EV1, nobody makes parts anymore.

Or...

GM allows you to own an EV1.

Some electrical problems occur and your car catches on fire.

You sue GM for selling you a car that caught on fire.

Trust me, there were very valid reasons for crushing the EV1s. The technology was still largely unproven during that time, and GM wasn't sure whether or not it would hold up after time. If something failed and an injury or death resulted, GM would be in a LOT of trouble.

Take for example the Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles built by GM. There are plenty of people driving those around...but they will be collected and crushed by GM once they're done with the program. It doesn't matter how many people whine and moan about it, GM can't take that kind of risk, because again, if something goes wrong, GM will take the fall for it.

The reason it seems funny to you is because that's what the movie was intended to do, make people question why GM would do such a thing. The movie is basically a huge conspiracy theory to get people to think GM was trying to steer people away from electric cars and into trucks and SUVs. The problem is, it doesn't present all the facts regarding the program. All it tells you is that GM had built an electric car, but then decided to screw it and crushed them all. It doesn't tell you any rationale behind the decision.
well when you put it that way , makes sense , damn I wish I had a brain
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These cars were leased to the public , they could have sold them but they chose to collect them and crush them , instead of letting the ppl that leased them purchase them seems funny to me
well, part of the CARB certification process includes stocking parts for vehicles for no less than 15 years. the few that didnt get crushed were sent to museums and schools for educational purposes with certain drive train components removed so they could no longer be driveable. in fact GM got into a lawsuit against one group who restored an EV1 and drove it down the road as it was a breach of contract.

with a car that the first gen only had about 800 or so vehicles over a few years and the second gen had less than that, it doesnt make sense for GM to keep them alive. cus then they are a liability. if someone goes and drives one, something breaks, that person wants the part and its been less than 15 years, gm can be sued for not stocking a part for a production vehicle.
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well, part of the CARB certification process includes stocking parts for vehicles for no less than 15 years. the few that didnt get crushed were sent to museums and schools for educational purposes with certain drive train components removed so they could no longer be driveable. in fact GM got into a lawsuit against one group who restored an EV1 and drove it down the road as it was a breach of contract.

with a car that the first gen only had about 800 or so vehicles over a few years and the second gen had less than that, it doesnt make sense for GM to keep them alive. cus then they are a liability. if someone goes and drives one, something breaks, that person wants the part and its been less than 15 years, gm can be sued for not stocking a part for a production vehicle.
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Thanks Fen! As always you covered everything I was thinking (and more!).

Don 't think that they started from scratch on the Volt...there are always people working on thing behind the scenes that no one hears about...EV1 technology was a building block.
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Okay, think about this for a second.

GM allows you to have one of the EV1s.

Something breaks down in it.

You head to AutoZone and ask for the part. The guy at the counter gives you a weird look and says he's never heard of it before.

You go to your dealership and ask for the part. The service writer says he's not sure what part you're looking for, then looks at your car and says he's never had one of these in for service ever, and the only places trained to service this vehicle were where they were leased.

You end up calling a parts supplier who supplied parts for the EV1 and ask for the part, and they tell you that due to a lack of parts demand and the limited production for the EV1, nobody makes parts anymore.

Or...

GM allows you to own an EV1.

Some electrical problems occur and your car catches on fire.

You sue GM for selling you a car that caught on fire.

Trust me, there were very valid reasons for crushing the EV1s. The technology was still largely unproven during that time, and GM wasn't sure whether or not it would hold up after time. If something failed and an injury or death resulted, GM would be in a LOT of trouble.

Take for example the Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles built by GM. There are plenty of people driving those around...but they will be collected and crushed by GM once they're done with the program. It doesn't matter how many people whine and moan about it, GM can't take that kind of risk, because again, if something goes wrong, GM will take the fall for it.

The reason it seems funny to you is because that's what the movie was intended to do, make people question why GM would do such a thing. The movie is basically a huge conspiracy theory to get people to think GM was trying to steer people away from electric cars and into trucks and SUVs. The problem is, it doesn't present all the facts regarding the program. All it tells you is that GM had built an electric car, but then decided to screw it and crushed them all. It doesn't tell you any rationale behind the decision.
This is 100% correct, couldn't say it any better.
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Consider the Volt to be the EV2.
I dont. I consider the Volt to be... the Volt. some similar things in it, but the capabilities of the volt are too profound to be considered "the next version"

thats like thinking the Camaro was the Monza II. (oh wait... it kinda was. lol)

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