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Old 07-15-2008, 01:37 PM   #1
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lbs/hp ratio

What kind of weight to horsepower ratios are you guys expecting for the base model Camaro to have? What are everyone's thoughts?

I was just doing some math, and not taking into consideration many other factors, such as TQ, aerodynamics, engine displacement, suspension, etc, a 405 hp Camaro theoretically would be equivalent to a 375hp Camaro weighing in at roughly 3600 lbs. This is assuming that the new Camaro is a fat pig (3900lbs) and has 405 hp. That's what, a LS1 6M with an exhaust (375hp)?
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:38 PM   #2
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Oh, when I say "base model Camaro" I mean the base model V8 Camaro.
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:46 PM   #3
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"Fat Pig" is a phrase reserved for Challenger.
Even IF the Camaro comes in that hefty, the team will make it feel right.

But anyways...if I was to offer up a guess....I'd say it'll land somewhere in the neighborhood of 9.5-10 lbs/hp.
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I think you just offended fat pigs everywhere.
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GM has had plenty of time to make things right. I'm sure power to weight ratio will be one of them.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:11 PM   #7
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"Fat Pig" is a phrase reserved for Challenger.
Even IF the Camaro comes in that hefty, the team will make it feel right.

But anyways...if I was to offer up a guess....I'd say it'll land somewhere in the neighborhood of 9.5-10 lbs/hp.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:37 PM   #8
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the great things about modular gm enignes is how easily "extra" performance is to attain... even 'if' we just get the accliamed ls3... gains will come on failry early and they will be most likely warrenty-able, examble ls3 cam...
header gaines have been very strong on ls3 vettes and tuning alone can yield big gain... this is a good idea.... giving us a good benchmark and building block while still constricting to the bs gov'nt
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:08 PM   #9
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This came up A LONG time ago.. here was a comparison I did...

Link to comparison spreadsheet


I also still stand by my estimate (except for the year though)

Here is the thread it was in...
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I'd assume a power to weight ratio of about 0.12 hp/lbs.

I'm guessing at 420 hp for the base V8 (LS3) and a curb weight of 3,500 lbm. These numbers are derived from the 2006 GTO (400 hp @ 3,725 lbs).
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Personally, I think the curb weight will be about 3650lbs.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:17 AM   #12
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I'll be a little bummed if they weight in at 3900 pounds
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I'll be a little bummed if they weight in at 3900 pounds
I don't think it will. I think it will weigh under 3800lbs.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:38 PM   #14
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I think a Camaro weighing in at 3800 pounds and having 420 hp/tq would be a very good package. I want a Camaro that runs like a raped ape. I'm thinking along the lines of a Camaro that will start pulling on a 2002 WS-6 or Camaro SS.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:17 PM   #15
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lxwxh sheer volume says it'll be less than the new pony.
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I'd assume a power to weight ratio of about 0.12 hp/lbs.

I'm guessing at 420 hp for the base V8 (LS3) and a curb weight of 3,500 lbm. These numbers are derived from the 2006 GTO (400 hp @ 3,725 lbs).
The leaked Camaro specs tell a slightly different story...
416 hp @ 3740 lbs
9 lbs/hp (0.11 hp/lbs)

I don't feel too bad. I was 4 hp and 225 lbs off. My estimate was for an empty tank of gas. yeah.. that's what it was.
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Power to weight ratio for the V-8 with auto trans. will be 9.59 lbs. per horsepower. Where is the BLOWER??? I'm in dire need of more punch. Why is the car so heavy?
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Power to weight ratio for the V-8 with auto trans. will be 9.59 lbs. per horsepower. Where is the BLOWER??? I'm in dire need of more punch. Why is the car so heavy?
many reasons, safety is a big one. IRS is another one. . .got complaints about weight due to safety complain to your congressman. . .only way to really change that.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:13 PM   #19
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"Fat Pig" is a phrase reserved for Challenger.
Even IF the Camaro comes in that hefty, the team will make it feel right.

But anyways...if I was to offer up a guess....I'd say it'll land somewhere in the neighborhood of 9.5-10 lbs/hp.
Looks like we have a winner.
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And lbs/hp ratio on the V6 will be 12.47 - about 20% better than the mustangs 15.95!

Which just brings up more "What?" to the 0-60 time of 6.1 - Its going to be faster than that, I just know it. Then again, the CTS in this Car and Driver comparison does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, and it weighs 200 pounds more. Car and drivers best recorded time for the CTS was 5.8 I think (again, 3900 pounds). I think we can expect at least that.
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Revival of an old thread?
yup. From a bit before we had the actual numbers. Looks like 96CAMaro was the closest.
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only ricers care about power/lbs.
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I thought that was hp/L
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