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Old 11-14-2009, 09:31 AM   #26
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I need the price on that install and kit, please. I am in Thornton and I am very interested in doing this exact setup on mine, early 2010. Please PM me with those prices.
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Well, I just drove from Colorado Springs to Loveland, CO after getting done with the tune. THIS CAR IS JUST AWESOME!!! It was hard to see the road because my eyes were squinted from the huge smile on my face.
When I went in the passenger seat on Mark's final test drive, I couldn't believe
the power. The only way I can explain it is, have you ever been on a world class roller coaster?
You know when you reach the very top and start down the nearly vertical drop?
Well, the feeling in your stomach at that moment
is what it felt like when he went through 1st thru 4th gears, times ten!!!

Anyways, the first 60 miles was great, then when I started into Denver
the snow started to fall, during Friday evening rush hour, fun, fun. It took
over an hour to go fifteen miles through Denver. By the time I got to the north end of town,
there was about 4 inches of snow on the highway,
and about an inch on the hood of my car. But not to worry, I found out that this car is very
driveable with all that power. I never once felt out of control
even with the summer tires. Traction Control and Stabilitrac works great,
as well as the antilock brakes. The Vortech is very predictable, when
driving normally it acts just like it did before the install, but when you
get into the throttle it just starts setting you back in the seat. You better be ready to shift, because it goes from 4000 to 6000 rpm just like snapping your fingers. If you aren't paying attention, it will bounce off the rev limiter
in a heartbeat. Still trying to wipe the perma-grin off my face!!
Now when cruising at 70 mph in 6th gear I don't have to shift down to get
around someone. It actually makes 6th into a gear you can use all the time.
I'll be heading to Arizona next week, and I plan to hit the Test N Tune night
in Phoenix while I'm there. I'll see what it will do at 1000 ft altitude. I'll
only be using my street tires, so It probably will take some fancy driving to
get it launched. But it will be alot of fun trying!!
I'll post up some time slips on this thread when I get done.
Also stay tuned for a link to the You Tube video of my dyno runs when
they get posted.

Also, I want to say thanks to the guys at RMCR. Mark is an awesome tuner,
he's very good at what he does. He knew I would be taking it to lower altitudes, so he did a very safe tune. Had a straight line 11.5:1 AFR all the way through the rpm range. He said if he was to just tune it for Colorado, he would have got another 20 hp out of her and would have set it at 11.8:1 AFR.
The peak boost on the dyno run was 7.5 lbs. at 6200 rpm. Up until
5800 rpm's the boost never got over 6 to 6.5 lbs. So it is a very safe tune.
Should never have any issues with my engine. The blower even stayed cool enough to hold your hand on it, and not have to pull it away even after
the numerous dyno pulls.

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In front of RMCR
Attachment 72871

Not much warning of what's lurking inside!!
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That's Mark McCallon the owner and tuner at RMCR. Nice work
Mark!!:party0038: Thanks again!

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"Not much warning of what's lurking inside" ?????? Except for the big ass VORTEC banner across your windshield!
Way to go Don. Cant wait to see and hear it run! Should make for much more fun next year at Bandi!
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Just plain 91 octane pump gas, the highest available in this high altitude.
Just an FYI, 91 Octane At High Altitude acts like 95 Octane at Sea Level and you may have to take some timing out or put the bigger SC pulley on for Sea Level on 93 Octane.

I tune a lot of Turbo snowmobiles that run at High altitudes so we see a lot of guys who will blow up motors when they drop down to lower elevations without re tuning.

Very Impressive results, just wondering if there is a correction factor on the dyno for elevation?

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Very Impressive results, just wondering if there is a correction factor on the dyno for elevation?

Go Vortech!![/QUOTE]

We are at approximately 4000 ft, and the dyno(dynojet), uses a typical 1.11 to 1.13 correction factor. ( FWIW )
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Nice set up and good numbers, So that was you with the big hat at SEMA. LOL
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We set the timing for the lower altitude. We run a lot of cars at the Texas Mile and road courses in Nevada. So we are experienced at tuning at sea level.

Also we made this power with less than 15 degrees of timing in it. This is a very conservative tune. We would rather error on the safe side than have max power.

The correction factor on the Dynojet was 1.28 SAE. We have found that the Dynojets are within 1% when we run at sea level.

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Also this was with a all stock internal LS3. Only other add ons from the Vortech was ARH headers and Magnaflow exhaust.


We will have package deals ready this Monday and I will post prices up.
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Just plain 91 octane pump gas, the highest available in this high altitude.
They have 93 over in Hygiene if you really need it.
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Old 11-14-2009, 02:01 PM   #35
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Very impressive. Nice numbers.
Congrats on the car and good work RMCR!!!
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We set the timing for the lower altitude. We run a lot of cars at the Texas Mile and road courses in Nevada. So we are experienced at tuning at sea level.

Also we made this power with less than 15 degrees of timing in it. This is a very conservative tune. We would rather error on the safe side than have max power.

The correction factor on the Dynojet was 1.28 SAE. We have found that the Dynojets are within 1% when we run at sea level.

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Nice Job and thankyou, I will be doing one here at sea level, It will be great to compare numbers.

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Ya it will be interesting to see the numbers. Post them up when you get them. Also feel free to PM me since Vortech does not quite have the manual done. If you have any problems.

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Man i like to do this but in AZ not that good as we get as hot as 126 in the summer, But it do;s look good in the car.
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Very Impressive results, just wondering if there is a correction factor on the dyno for elevation?

Go Vortech!!


Colorado Springs is over 6000 ft. and the correction factor on these
pulls was 1.28

Jannetty, your dyno probably has a correction factor too, at least it should.
Dynojet always has a correction factor. That's why you can go to two different Dynojet dynos and almost always get the same numbers.
We did a very conservative tune in order to be safe at sea level also. Otherwise the HP numbers would have been closer to 650.
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They have 93 over in Hygiene if you really need it.
Don't need 93 octane at this altitude. You'd be wasting your money.
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I was just telling you where to get it if you wanted some. Lets not get into a conversation about wasting money.
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The filter is on the Bypass Valve to keep debris and dirt from getting into the diaphram when it is closed, otherwise the seat might get damaged. Also I think it kind of acts as a muffler to make it barely noticeable.
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I was just telling you where to get it if you wanted some. Lets not get into a conversation about wasting money.
Tom, are you talking about your Hennessey CAI?
I have a New Fastlane CAI, that I know makes good horsepower,
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Colorado Springs is over 6000 ft. and the correction factor on these
pulls was 1.28

Jannetty, your dyno probably has a correction factor too, at least it should.
Dynojet always has a correction factor. That's why you can go to two different Dynojet dynos and almost always get the same numbers.
We did a very conservative tune in order to be safe at sea level also. Otherwise the HP numbers would have been closer to 650.
It does but it hangs around .996 to 1.006 since I sit at 425 ft. above sea level, I hope your correction factor is a typo, correcting up from actual HP 28% is a bit High I believe.

I don't think you lose 28% at your altitude but I am not sure.

I also WONDER if the Blower Skews that correction factor since it is artificial ATMOSPHERE.

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I had the chance to take a ride along with Don yesterday....And wholly shit! This is one of the best SC setups I have ever been in...The drivability is great and when jumped on you better hold on to you jock...Wow smooth and so freaking fast. This car is a hair away from needing a rollbar to race but so freaking hot I suggested putting one in for saftey anyway. Stealth...OMG I told Don I cant wait to see the fools in the 70K GT500's cry when he walks away from them and their factory set cars.

Kudos to the boys in the springs that set this up and made it happen. If you need another test car that never goes to sea level tell Don to get in touch with me.....Best I have seen by far. Oh and Don did not point out the autographs on his engine cover...Al Oppenhiemer and John Fitzpatrick. Bet they would love to see this engine now....lmao Larry
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I have a New Fastlane CAI, that I know makes good horsepower,
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Yeah pretty much so...what are you selling it for?
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I had the chance to take a ride along with Don yesterday....And wholly shit! This is one of the best SC setups I have ever been in...The drivability is great and when jumped on you better hold on to you jock...Wow smooth and so freaking fast. This car is a hair away from needing a rollbar to race but so freaking hot I suggested putting one in for saftey anyway. Stealth...OMG I told Don I cant wait to see the fools in the 70K GT500's cry when he walks away from them and their factory set cars.

Kudos to the boys in the springs that set this up and made it happen. If you need another test car that never goes to sea level tell Don to get in touch with me.....Best I have seen by far. Oh and Don did not point out the autographs on his engine cover...Al Oppenhiemer and John Fitzpatrick. Bet they would love to see this engine now....lmao Larry
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It does but it hangs around .996 to 1.006 since I sit at 425 ft. above sea level, I hope your correction factor is a typo, correcting up from actual HP 28% is a bit High I believe.

I don't think you lose 28% at your altitude but I am not sure.

I also WONDER if the Blower Skews that correction factor since it is artificial ATMOSPHERE.

Congradulations on a Beautiful Build.

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No, Ted the 28% is not a typo, and it can't be tampered with. It is built into the dyno. And yes we lose 28% at this altitude. That's only figuring in a 4.5% loss per 1000 ft in altitude. Which is conservative. We are at 6300+ ft.
where the dyno sits. We are right at the base of Pikes Peak which is over 14,000 ft. This is Colorado, ever been here driving a car, you'll understand. You will be taking your car to the mechanic wondering what happened to all your power.
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The 28% loss is legit. We have verified this with several other machines including Superflow and Mustang and they are all the same.

We have seen though the same HP on our 1050 RWHP 2003 Texas mile car. It will make within 1% of the corrected HP it makes up here, when we run it in Texas before the mile runs. A testimate to Dynojets accuracy


Our Dynojet has a normal SAE correction of 26 to 28 percent.

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The 28% loss is legit. We have verified this with several other machines including Superflow and Mustang and they are all the same.

We have seen though the same HP on our 1050 RWHP 2003 Texas mile car. It will make within 1% of the corrected HP it makes up here, when we run it in Texas before the mile runs. A testimate to Dynojets accuracy


Our Dynojet has a normal SAE correction of 26 to 28 percent.

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Wow! Thanks Mike, I knew they lost power but I thought is was only 3% per 1000 FT. above sea level, which would be 18.9%

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I found this, and I think the correction factor is less once you throw in Artificial atomosphere i.e. supercharger or turbo.



Altitude and Engine Performance

Sea Level: Units of Pressure

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Inches of Mercury = (in. Hg.)
Atmospheres = (atm)
Kilopascal = (kpa)
Millibars = (mb)

Pressure equivalents to: 1.0 atm = 29.9 in. Hg. = 760 mm Hg. = 101.3 kPa = 1013.25 mb

Atmospheric Pressure = 14.7 psi & 13 cubic feet of air = 1 pound

Power Loss due to Altitude
Air Density decreases at a rate of 2.9% - 3.0% for each 1000 ft. of elevation above Sea Level. See Standard Atmosphere below for background information.

Naturally Aspirated: Atmospheric Pressure 14.5 psi (It's hard to ride at sea level 14.7 psi)
Atmospheric Pressure @ 9000 feet = 10.5 psi
Pressure Loss = (14.5 - 10.5) = 4.0 (4.0/14.5) = 27.58 % @ 9,000 feet


Does a Turbo lose power with altitude? Yes!
Atmospheric Pressure = 14.5 psi, Boost = 10 psi, Total Pressure = 24.5
Atmospheric Pressure @ 9000 feet = 10.5 psi + Boost of 10 psi = Total 20.5 psi

Approximate Pressure Loss = (24.5 - 20.5) = 4.0 (4.0/24.5) = 16.32 % @ 9,000 feet
The power loss due to altitude is much less with the Turbo. The critical difference is that you can flip the switch on the Turbo to 15 lbs boost and get your sea level HP!!
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