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Old 11-15-2009, 05:08 PM   #51
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Please understand, I am just discussing this for My own Education you guys did a great job and the results are well AWESOME.

I am only 425 FT above Sea Level so I have no experience at altitude.

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Altitude isn't the only factor that computes into the correction factor.
There's also Barometric pressure, Humidity and Temperature.
All I know is that the HP numbers that they get at RMCR have been duplicated
(within 1%) on a Dynojet Dyno in Texas when they take their car to the
Texas Mile. So it must be very accurate.

Ted, If you want to pay for it, find me a dyno around Yuma, AZ and I'll check it again at
120 ft. above sea level. I'm heading there on Tuesday and I'll be there for three weeks.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:07 AM   #53
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Altitude isn't the only factor that computes into the correction factor.
There's also Barometric pressure, Humidity and Temperature.
All I know is that the HP numbers that they get at RMCR have been duplicated
(within 1%) on a Dynojet Dyno in Texas when they take their car to the
Texas Mile. So it must be very accurate.

Ted, If you want to pay for it, find me a dyno around Yuma, AZ and I'll check it again at
120 ft. above sea level. I'm heading there on Tuesday and I'll be there for three weeks.
I hope your not getting upset with me, This Line of Questioning is Strictly for my own education since i have NO experience At Altitude.

I always refer to Math and the Laws of Physics because there is no disputing them.

My Research Shows 2.9-3% Per 1000 Ft Elevation for Naturally Asparated and about 1.8% per 1000 FT, for Boosted Applications.

This 1.8% may only be for Turbos since they are self compensating via the wastegate, I like to look in to this further and discuss this further regarding Superchargers at altitude.

At 6300 FT 1.1827 Correction factor is what the math shows for N/A.

I expect your car will make 10.1 PSI Boost at Sea Level with your current Pulley, since Gauges are Calibrated at Sea Level and your starting with about a 2.6 PSI pressure deficit at 6300 ft.

I am Curious if the Dyno manifold pressure guage is Calibrated (Zeroed) at Sea Level or Current altitude.

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Old 11-16-2009, 09:31 AM   #54
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This is going to sound very stupid but i never knew superchargers used BOVs. Do they sound like a turbo BOV going off?
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Depends. At less than 10lbs you can barley hear them. This kit comes standard with a 500+ cfm Race Bypass from Vortech. This valve at 18lbs of boost is extremely louder.

We use this same valve on the larger V-7 YSi blower as well. Its nice that Vortech sends a valve that can be used on higher HP settings as well.
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This is going to sound very stupid but i never knew superchargers used BOVs. Do they sound like a turbo BOV going off?
I've had Centri S/C (Paxton on Z06) and TT. The BOV on S/C does not sound as dramatic as Turbo, because they make boost linear and not a sudden one like turbo. On some Certies, no never even hear it but Turbo it's hard to hide it :-)
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:09 PM   #57
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WOW!!!

WOW Great #s looks like Vortech has done their homework!!!

mtcwby, now you will really need those Racing Brake front AND rear rotors. wooha slow me down................

Good job RMCR!!!
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WOW Great #s looks like Vortech has done their homework!!!

mtcwby, now you will really need those Racing Brake front AND rear rotors. wooha slow me down................

Good job RMCR!!!
Thanks Crusher. Nice try, but I'll still just be getting the front rotors.
Don't need much for back brakes when you are standing it on it's nose to slow down when the radar detector goes off!!
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:20 PM   #59
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Altitude isn't the only factor that computes into the correction factor.
There's also Barometric pressure, Humidity and Temperature.
All I know is that the HP numbers that they get at RMCR have been duplicated
(within 1%) on a Dynojet Dyno in Texas when they take their car to the
Texas Mile. So it must be very accurate.

Ted, If you want to pay for it, find me a dyno around Yuma, AZ and I'll check it again at
120 ft. above sea level. I'm heading there on Tuesday and I'll be there for three weeks.
This is a good site for DA so you can find what you lose at Altitude and Barometric pressure, Humidity and Temperature,

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...ect+ET+and+MPH
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This is a good site for DA so you can find what you lose at Altitude and Barometric pressure, Humidity and Temperature,

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...ect+ET+and+MPH
Don't need a web site to tell us Colorado owners what we lose due to altitude. You just have to race at Bandimere with DA's in the 9000 to 10,000 ft range and you know right away. A car that runs low 12's at sea level
runs nearly 14 sec 1/4 mile times. That's why we will never make the fast list.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:15 AM   #61
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I know that, It was for all the guys on the forum too, Guys don't know, I in the summer have a DA of 5200'-6500" and i am at 600' above sea level.
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Congrats on this install and thanks Don for some real usefull info. This is the best Vortech install I have seen, great details: the use of the screen and the cutout for the intake.

I hate to thread jack but is there something on the market that would be easy to use to make adjustments for altitude without a lap top? I know you have to deal with other factors but at least to get your air/fuel and boost adjustments. I am at 2600ft and hate to have a gas hog when I go to the shore. Or maybe that is not enough altitude difference to worry about?
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Congrats on this install and thanks Don for some real usefull info. This is the best Vortech install I have seen, great details: the use of the screen and the cutout for the intake.

I hate to thread jack but is there something on the market that would be easy to use to make adjustments for altitude without a lap top? I know you have to deal with other factors but at least to get your air/fuel and boost adjustments. I am at 2600ft and hate to have a gas hog when I go to the shore. Or maybe that is not enough altitude difference to worry about?
Your only talking about a 8% loss in power compared to sea level, and the computer is self compensating for all conditions, so No Worries, When we Choose a Pulley for the car we can add an extra LB of boost.
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I'm assuming this car made about 720hp at the crank?
Awesome build. That car must really move.
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Here's the speed I did on my way to AZ. This was somewhere in the desert at 6400 ft altitude and the outside air temp was at 20 degrees and the tires were fairly cool. I could see for 10 miles ahead of me,
not a car in sight, at about 6:30 a.m. I was in 5th gear at about
6300 rpm's when I hit this speed. The car handled perfectly, didn't feel light,
just hugged the road and performed beautifully.


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Can't imagine goiing that fast. 135 has been tops for me...
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:16 PM   #68
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Can't imagine goiing that fast. 135 has been tops for me...
It's alot different highways out west. There are stretches of interstate
where you can actually see the highway where you will be at in another 30 or
more minutes of driving at 75 mph. And not a turn in sight, straight as an arrow. And not another car in sight. Back in your part of the country there some roads that are capable of those speeds, but the traffic
volume won't let you even come close. We didn't even have a speed limit in Montana until a few years ago. As long as your car was built for it and had good speed rated tires the highway patrol would let you run wide open.
Of course it also helped that I was dating a highway Patrol officer at the time!!
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I'll definately have to head out that way if I ever get my sc. You've got an excellent ride there. I can tell how proud you are....

BTW - hope the relationship ended well....
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BTW - hope the relationship ended well....
Yep, still good friends. And now my sister is marrying a Montana Highway Patrol officer. I hope she treats him good!
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Depends. At less than 10lbs you can barley hear them. This kit comes standard with a 500+ cfm Race Bypass from Vortech. This valve at 18lbs of boost is extremely louder.

We use this same valve on the larger V-7 YSi blower as well. Its nice that Vortech sends a valve that can be used on higher HP settings as well.


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Here's the speed I did on my way to AZ. This was somewhere in the desert at 6400 ft altitude and the outside air temp was at 20 degrees and the tires were fairly cool. I could see for 10 miles ahead of me,
not a car in sight, at about 6:30 a.m. I was in 5th gear at about
6300 rpm's when I hit this speed. The car handled perfectly, didn't feel light,
just hugged the road and performed beautifully.


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Just to back up RMCR some more. I have dealt with them on my LT1 383 stroker in my Impala SS. Wonderful folks and awesome builders! I plan on speaking with them about making my Camaro faster. Not as fast as mtcwby, but faster none the less.

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Don't know if this has been answered or not, but - any suspension upgrades?
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As of right now the car in this thread has not had any suspension upgrades. Generally speaking we offer several suspension packages for the Y-body and F-body platform. Since this car is so new several companies are just now starting to brings parts out.

I will check tomorrow and see what kind of packages I can work up. We are dealers for Hotchkis, BMR, Eibach, Ect.

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