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Old 11-14-2009, 07:47 PM   #1
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Sway Bars. Myths, Knowledge, Understanding

Sway bars are one of those mystical things that everyone know what they do, but few truly understand them.

I did a very serious analysis of sway bars and their understanding, and was thinking about potentially presenting it to the Camaro family. The purpose is to be able to figure out strengths, understand the differences between hollow and solid, and be able to figure out if information presented on websites are exagerations or accurate.

It would take about 5-10 posts to present it all in its entirety but in a simple version. It will take a huge amount of work to do,. . Is this something this community would be interested in reading and participating in? If so, what questions do you need answered.

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Old 11-14-2009, 07:56 PM   #2
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I think people on here would be interested in learning teh quick and dirty version....

But....

Only if it is an independent version. I see you are a pedders guy. If you only put up info with your Pedders stuff, or in any way promote it, then people will take it with a grain of salt. That is my thoughts.
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:56 PM   #3
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I would love to hear the swaybar story, and why Pedders is superior to the others. I have been tempted to buy from a competitor, but am waiting it out. Just wish you could get yours in stock so my decision wouldn't be so hard. I am waiting for the "slow boat" to get my backordered bushings and sways to complete my suspension.
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Mike, I would love to hear more!
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:09 PM   #5
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I think people on here would be interested in learning teh quick and dirty version....

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Only if it is an independent version. I see you are a pedders guy. If you only put up info with your Pedders stuff, or in any way promote it, then people will take it with a grain of salt. That is my thoughts.
So if I gave you the formula to figure out strengths, and you could go to the web sites of all the competitors and do your own verifications, would that be worth while and meet your needs?

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Old 11-14-2009, 08:25 PM   #6
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Mike any in site to how a Sway Bars work and how to determine how to find the right one for the camaro will be good for all of us, And we all know that you represent Pedders as we all know who is representing the other manufactures of Sway Bars, But i do want the rest of the parts to come in as it is getting hard to hold on to my $, There are some more good things out there now.
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I think I understand where ZZ is coming from, he doesn't want it to be a sales pitch. I also think it would be difficult not to relate your facts with your product.

I would love to see a GENTLEMEN'S debate between all of the suspension vendors concerning all aspects of the Camaro's suspension including sways and why they chose the direction they did.

I think mathematical shear calculations would be over our heads, but if you can dummy it down for me, I say go for it.

Education in this case, is a good thing.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:19 PM   #8
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Will Pedders "Camaro Sport Package" Reduce Body Roll

I am a fairly new member who is purchasing his car this week. I am spending money on three mods: HP, Exhaust, and Supension. I am on a budget and choose your company to spend my money with. Will I be sorry?
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:56 AM   #9
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I am a fairly new member who is purchasing his car this week. I am spending money on three mods: HP, Exhaust, and Supension. I am on a budget and choose your company to spend my money with. Will I be sorry?
Here is the Sports Package:
10/1/09 CAMARO SPORTS PACKAGE BY PEDDERS
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The Camaro Sport System includes the elements of the Camaro Street I plus Pedders adjustable sway bars with HD endlinks. The reduction in body lean and roll translates directly to more confident control in aggressive manuvueres. Having addressed the fundemental instabilities in critical bushes along with larger and firmer sways the endlinks must also be upgreaded. the front endlinks are rather long and thin in OE trim. Pedders increases the shaft strength, thus increasing the efficiency of the sway bars. Stability and predictability are essential to the enthusiast driver. Pedders Camaro Sport System delivers both along with more SEGs per mile than you can imagine. We also added our custom alignment kit, to give your front suspension full alignment capabilities, and enhance your rear alignment capabilities with added reliability

Part # Pedders Compnent Price
CAMAROSOLUTIONB 27MM FR. & REAR BARS WITH 4 ADJUSTABLE ENDLINKS Larger HD end links require enlarging mounting holes. $599.98
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36
EP1200 Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $248.43
EP6578 CAMARO Front Radius Rod STIFFENING SNUBBERS (new) $75.99
PDUSACAMFULL CAMARO REAR EXTENDED CAMBER, TOE ADJUSTERS, FRONT CASTER ECCENTRICS & CAMBER ADJUSTERS $210.00
Pedders SPORT PACKAGE Parts Total $1,242.76
Menu System Discount $162.77

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $1,079.99

This package will make a serious dent in body role, understeer and stability. With our near perfectly matched sway bars for the Camaro, plus the stabilizing bushings included, this is a great package. Add some performance coils and you will really be smiling.

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Old 11-15-2009, 02:58 AM   #10
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So if I gave you the formula to figure out strengths, and you could go to the web sites of all the competitors and do your own verifications, would that be worth while and meet your needs?

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I'm very interested in this.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:20 PM   #11
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I am working on it now.

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Old 11-15-2009, 10:29 PM   #12
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I think this would be a great read; if, like others have stated, it is from an information standpoint as opposed to a sales pitch.
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Mike and everyone how about a sticky thread and get other vendors to jump in such as Aaron Pfadt, Hotchkiss and Eibach and John Hennessey. So we can get engineers feedback for us to absorb. I want to hear from engineers and how they came up with the design and prove its superior. Videos would be great too like the ones Hotchkiss made with the camera aiming at the sway bars during a canyon run. I think this would be informative to all.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:04 PM   #14
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I think this would be a great read; if, like others have stated, it is from an information standpoint as opposed to a sales pitch.
what I will do is to present 2 formulas for determining sway bar strength, discuss the 6 areas that determine overall structural strength. Then discuss relationships between front and rear bars. I will take data that is found on the internet, and make the calculations and compare them to all.

Will that work?

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