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Old 07-30-2008, 12:39 PM   #326
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I'm trying to keep the faith and hope that the reports of the death of the new Z28 are not offical, even though it kinda sounds like it. So the SS is all we have to go with.

Mindz...apparently the Z28 was suppose to be better than the SS...weird for me too.

I know we can always go aftermarket, and I can get just as dirty as the next guy but I'd like performance that comes with a factory warranty. Besides, the point is, we shouldn't have to go aftermarket.

Can you imagine if they introduced the new Corvette and said "this is it, we'll never make it any faster, feel free to purchase bolt-on parts from GM Performance." A group of villagers would chase after Lutz with pitchforks and torches!

What's the difference between my '01 SS and an '01 Z28? A hood and spoiler, that's about it. Since then, they took the Trail Blazer (an economy SUV) and made the SS package in the same class as a Porche. The Colbalt SS got a turbo.

I thought this was the new way of thinking for GM, really distinguishing the SS package from the other trims, making the SS badge really mean something now. I couldn't wait to see the royal treatment the Camaro SS gets!

If the midrange package has 400 horse, what would they have to do to really put some space between the mid-range and the top of the line...brakes... !?!
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:02 PM   #327
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I thought this was the new way of thinking for GM, really distinguishing the SS package from the other trims, making the SS badge really mean something now. I couldn't wait to see the royal treatment the Camaro SS gets!
Well, the TB goes from what a 5 or 6 cylinder to an LS2 for the SS, the Cobalt goes from NA 4 banger to turbo 4 banger for the SS, the Camaro goes from V6 to LS3 for the SS. What's the problem?
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:26 PM   #328
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Well, the TB goes from what a 5 or 6 cylinder to an LS2 for the SS, the Cobalt goes from NA 4 banger to turbo 4 banger for the SS, the Camaro goes from V6 to LS3 for the SS. What's the problem?
actually the cobalt SS is supercharged
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:32 PM   #329
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actually the cobalt SS is supercharged
The 2008 and on is a TURBO, they changed it, its the same 260 hp turbo found in the Solstice/Sky. The old SC engine did not meet 2008 emission regs. They also did some major improvements to the suspension and handling.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:20 AM   #330
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Why ppl keep comparing the Camaro with the Vette? THe SS will cost X money where as the top dog fo a Vette costs double that!

The Camaro was supposed to be available for almost everybody and the option of having a V6 that can cost half the price of the (full extras?) SS is rly a good one. The Vette is supposed to be the best sports model from Chevy, and therefore is priced as one.

I too would like to get the top-top-top dog of the Camaro (that being the Z28 when it 's released after X time) but I don't plan on w8ing forever. If I 'm rdy to get a Camaro and there 's info of the Z28 being released after a year I 'm not w8ing that long. 422HP is a HUGE number, plus you can go performance options from Chevy itself on it whevever you want to, plus after some time it 's released there are bound to ppl offering prerformance upgradek its to turn the Camaro into a rocket on wheels.
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:13 PM   #331
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I agree, and I currently own a C3 vette, and it's true about price & prestige.
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:46 AM   #332
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I really like the orange you have on the Camaro picture. Looks like a hot tahitian orange. NICe
Thanks Mungo, but the guys here at Camaro5 deserve the credit, it is there work. I am hoping that this is close to the inferno orange.
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Old 08-01-2008, 10:56 AM   #333
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Similiarly, is the weight given by the GM for the Camaro (3870lbs) a figure that includes all options? Though the weight for a Mustang with minimal options is actually as low as 3354lbs.

Either way, I am really waiting for the pricing to come out to make my final decisions.


well if you have looked at the The camaro specs all the option I mentioned are standard on Camaro but not on the mustang Mustange doesn't even have some options available
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:48 AM   #334
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Update - SS (LS3/L99)

The high-performance Camaro SS is equipped with a powerful 6.2L V8, with a choice of a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic transmission. The standard manual transmission-equipped models receive the LS3 engine, rated a projected 422 horsepower and 408 lb.-ft. of torque. The LS3 debuted on the 2008 Corvette and uses high-flow cylinder heads based on the Corvette Z06 LS7 engine to enable great low-end torque and high-rpm power. It is paired with a TR6060 six-speed manual transmission.

A new, L99 engine is used on automatic transmission-equipped SS models. It is based on the LS3 and carries all of its high-performance design features, but also includes GM's Active Fuel Management technology. It enables the engine to run on only four cylinders during light-load driving conditions, such as highway cruising. The L99 is rated at a projected 400 horsepower and 395 lb.-ft. of torque and it is matched with a Hydra-Matic 6L80 six-speed automatic transmission with overdrive to deliver an estimated 23 MPG highway1.

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Old 08-06-2008, 10:44 AM   #335
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So many whinners, SS is fine with me. The Camaro Z28 and IROC Z were around plenting long for me. I got tired of seeing them everywhere. I PREFER AN SS emblem on my grill anyday. I hope the bowtie on the grill is replaced with an SS on the LS3 SS. NO CAMARO OR BOWTIES, JUST SS, IMO.

The car has 422hp, 23mpg is great. If you want a POS Ford, then go buy one. Many awesome options on the new SS LS3. Huge wheels, brakes, etc.

I hope white is available by June 1 09.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:35 AM   #336
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:50 AM   #337
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Old 08-07-2008, 10:12 AM   #338
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I understood this


and this


The rest, i'm a bit fuzzy on...
Don't speak Russian but this is the jist of it:

It will be interesting however the tax on камарыча in ours раше!

http://ets6.freetranslation.com/

Second Website:

There will interestingly to what extent be tax to [kamarycha] in our Rasch!

http://www.appliedlanguage.com/free_translation.shtml
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Don't speak Russian but this is the jist of it:

It will be interesting however the tax on камарыча in ours раше!

http://ets6.freetranslation.com/

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There will interestingly to what extent be tax to [kamarycha] in our Rasch!

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Old 08-07-2008, 11:06 AM   #340
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Is anyone else concerned with how heavy this thing will be?
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:51 AM   #342
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Is anyone else concerned with how heavy this thing will be?
Lots of people are. I have a feeling their fears are groundless. The Camaro should still out perform its rivals in acceleration, fuel economy, and handling. We will know more about the feel of the car when reviews start coming in from magazines in a few months, and from owners a couple months after that. But so far, the general consensus is that Zeta's carry the weight well.
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Old 08-09-2008, 12:09 PM   #343
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Deal breaker for me. Very excited to read the specs until I got this one. I always look at weight when considering a car that is performance oriented.

This is what happens in the auto industry when the "soon to be layed off SUV engineers" get transferred to the performance car division. Just poor engineering. Does it have AWD? In this great day of "lighter cars lighter materials" I just don't get it (and it has an Aluminum block?!). Perhaps its the new uranium wheels? Was this a dry weight or was the 410lb typical American driver included? Now I understand the requirement for 14" rotors!

The good new is that its lighter that the challenger or charger (OMG 4000+!). If you don't think weight makes a difference then thats great; your beyond help (crack open a physics book or check the specs on a vette or better yet drive one).

Cant weight (wait) for the big three to go tits up. Maybe then they will start competing instead of selling to an eroding, captive customer base.

The engineering decisions on this car just thoroughly depress me.
(reference - a 67 SS weighed in at ~3240 - cast iron block and heads included)

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Old 08-09-2008, 12:44 PM   #344
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Deal breaker for me. Very excited to read the specs until I got this one. I always look at weight when considering a car that is performance oriented.

This is what happens in the auto industry when the "soon to be layed off SUV engineers" get transferred to the performance car division. Just poor engineering. Does it have AWD? In this great day of "lighter cars lighter materials" I just don't get it (and it has an Aluminum block?!). Perhaps its the new uranium wheels? Was this a dry weight or was the 410lb typical American driver included? Now I understand the requirement for 14" rotors!

The good new is that its lighter that the challenger or charger (OMG 4000+!). If you don't think weight makes a difference then thats great; your beyond help (crack open a physics book or check the specs on a vette or better yet drive one).

Cant weight (wait) for the big three to go tits up. Maybe then they will start competing instead of selling to an eroding, captive customer base.

The engineering decisions on this car just thoroughly depress me.
(reference - a 67 SS weighed in at ~3240 - cast iron block and heads included)
Write your congressmen, it's their nanny laws that are making cars heavy. In 1967 they didn't have bumper standards, side impact standards, mandatory air bags, mandatory ABS, mandatory stability control, mandaroty catalytic converters, mandatory filters on the fuel venting, etc. etc.

You know-it-all wannabes are a joke to those of us who do know it all.

Sure, there are ways the car can weigh less, but those involve exotic materials and you geniuses would sh!+ a brick if the new Camaro was $0.50 more than a Musting in MSRP, so think that one over a while!

Camaro Design Mantra:

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What average american is 410 lbs? Are you part of a "larger" family where your average relatives weight is 400+?
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Old 08-09-2008, 03:54 PM   #346
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What average american is 410 lbs? Are you part of a "larger" family where your average relatives weight is 400+?
GodDamn........ I know I'm 274 but damn, I couldn't stand my self being that big ......unless I was all muscle

But thats got to be wrong, I say between 200-225 lb
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you forget most women are less than 150. average weight for an "american driver" is probably around 180.
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Deal breaker for me. Very excited to read the specs until I got this one. I always look at weight when considering a car that is performance oriented.

This is what happens in the auto industry when the "soon to be layed off SUV engineers" get transferred to the performance car division. Just poor engineering. Does it have AWD? In this great day of "lighter cars lighter materials" I just don't get it (and it has an Aluminum block?!). Perhaps its the new uranium wheels? Was this a dry weight or was the 410lb typical American driver included? Now I understand the requirement for 14" rotors!

The good new is that its lighter that the challenger or charger (OMG 4000+!). If you don't think weight makes a difference then thats great; your beyond help (crack open a physics book or check the specs on a vette or better yet drive one).

Cant weight (wait) for the big three to go tits up. Maybe then they will start competing instead of selling to an eroding, captive customer base.

The engineering decisions on this car just thoroughly depress me.
(reference - a 67 SS weighed in at ~3240 - cast iron block and heads included)
The Camaro is heavy to meet safety regulations. This has been said time and time again. Despite that, it is still lighter than the Challenger by hundreds of pounds. The Camaro was engineered by Australians who never let affordable rear drive V8's die. It was not engineered by 'soon to be layed off SUV engineers'. Do you really think that they intentionally made the SS ~3900 lbs? Do you believe that they were sitting in the meetings and said "hmm, well we could save 100 lbs here, another 75 there, and a whoping 200 over there but we better not, we have to give the people something to gripe about". The engineers did the best they possibly could at optimising weight, cost, and performance. They could not compromise on safety. So maybe you would have been happier with a 3600 lb SS that uses lots of lightweight material and skimps on things that make living with the car every day more comfortable, but also costs $45 000. I wouldn't that because I can't afford a car that expensive. Besides, if it cost that much I could go get a Vette for the same price.

You brought up a good point when you suggested people should drive a corvette -it might change their mind on the weight issue. In return, might I suggest to you that you drive a Camaro before you say that it is too heavy and so forth. BMW's handle very well with their weight, as does the G8 and even the cars on the Chrysler LX platform do fairly well. The Camaro is lighter than all of them. For acceleration, the new SS will be the quickest and fastest Camaro that GM has produced. Ever. Maybe your issue with weight is fuel economy? Well if that is the case then look what the light Mustang gets, or the Challenger that has only a bit more power. The Camaro beats them both.

I don't quite believe you on the '67 SS weight. The light ZL1 Camaros with the aluminum blocks weighed 3300 lbs, granted it was a 69 not a 67 but I don't think the weight changed a whole lot on the 1st gens. Most Camaros back then weighed ~3500. But then cars were weighed in the most optimistic way to make them seem as light as possible, just as engine outputs were gross power not net power.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:17 PM   #349
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c. Lightweight
d. Quality Construction

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i like that. very good point
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