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Old 08-08-2010, 10:00 AM   #1
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Z-28 - I don't get it?

Okay, I've been watching the threads for some time on the Z-28 and never posted. Frankly I don't get the hype. Who really cares?

If you know what you're doing, you can easily build the SS into a much more capable car than the Z-28 is forecast to be. Even if they were to advertise it as 600HP, that would make in the neighborhood of 500 at the wheels. Spend 6K on a SC and a weekend of work, you can easily beat that number. Plus the aftermarket blower will support much more HP in the future. Anything that comes OEM will be conservative. No way around it.

So other than being the first kid on block, I don't see it. To each his own, but just don't assume you're getting a night and day difference between the two. As a comparison look what people are doing with GT500s. The factory blower is the first thing that goes when they want more out of it.
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Okay, I've been watching the threads for some time on the Z-28 and never posted. Frankly I don't get the hype. Who really cares?

If you know what you're doing, you can easily build the SS into a much more capable car than the Z-28 is forecast to be. Even if they were to advertise it as 600HP, that would make in the neighborhood of 500 at the wheels. Spend 6K on a SC and a weekend of work, you can easily beat that number. Plus the aftermarket blower will support much more HP in the future. Anything that comes OEM will be conservative. No way around it.

So other than being the first kid on block, I don't see it. To each his own, but just don't assume you're getting a night and day difference between the two. As a comparison look what people are doing with GT500s. The factory blower is the first thing that goes when they want more out of it.
The thing is, factory blown cars provide for a 'better' platform for building more power safely that strapping a blower on a base model. LSA has lowered compression and some reinforcement, and the GT500 is completely forged from the factory. Match that in the aftermarket, and you have spent all the money that you saved, and still don't have the pedigree.....
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The thing is, factory blown cars provide for a 'better' platform for building more power safely that strapping a blower on a base model. LSA has lowered compression and some reinforcement, and the GT500 is completely forged from the factory. Match that in the aftermarket, and you have spent all the money that you saved, and still don't have the pedigree.....
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Warranty will be shot once they figure out your racing it, or driving it hard. Alot of dealers play this game now so don't expect that not to slap you in the face. Warranty is just year 2000's sucker lure anymore.

I bought my SS/RS for 34,500 roughly after ttl. they want supposedly 50k for the z28. Modded with after market my sc was 6100 after tax. 40,600 now and teds street pack made for another 2k so 42,600. so im about 7,000 grand less which would probally buy me the rods pistons rings and sleeves no problem if i wanted to really boost the sc for another 70 dollar pulley.
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I agree with the OP you guys dont even know what its going to be. Part of the muscle car culture which you are all claiming is one of your top reasons behind getting the Z, is SOUPING up the car your self. Again I dont understand either what the big deal is. These people are the same people that have to have the IPAD ont he first day of release.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:05 AM   #7
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I agree with the OP you guys dont even know what its going to be. Part of the muscle car culture which you are all claiming is one of your top reasons behind getting the Z, is SOUPING up the car your self. Again I dont understand either what the big deal is. These people are the same people that have to have the IPAD ont he first day of release.
Why cant you soup up a z/28? Everyone is doing it with their ss models so why cant the people who buy a z/28 do the same. And as for the ipad comment, i guess people will always be jealous that they didn't wait if they really wanted a z/28 model. Why do we have to pick on other people that want a camaro, thats what the mustang people are for.
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Im not, all im saying is its insane to being crazy over something that we dont even know what it is? Theres going to be a lot of sad people if this thing comes out to just be a re-badge of the SS or something that only has 500hp.

Dont get me wrong it very vell might be cool and fast and maybe I want one. But Im not like a child at christmas wanting to be the first person to open their presents
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Okay, I've been watching the threads for some time on the Z-28 and never posted. Frankly I don't get the hype. Who really cares?

If you know what you're doing, you can easily build the SS into a much more capable car than the Z-28 is forecast to be. Even if they were to advertise it as 600HP, that would make in the neighborhood of 500 at the wheels. Spend 6K on a SC and a weekend of work, you can easily beat that number. Plus the aftermarket blower will support much more HP in the future. Anything that comes OEM will be conservative. No way around it.

So other than being the first kid on block, I don't see it. To each his own, but just don't assume you're getting a night and day difference between the two. As a comparison look what people are doing with GT500s. The factory blower is the first thing that goes when they want more out of it.
And don't just assume that there won't be a real night and day difference between the two! All serious car guys mod their cars to some extent regardless of the starting point whether it be an SS, Z/28, or whatever. Out of the thirty or so cars that were in the Chevy High Performance Club I belonged to back in the day, there were maybe six that could run in Pure Stock when we went to the strip, most of us had to run in Stock because we had some mods. Rarely will you find a performance car on the street that is "pure stock", that's just the way car guys and gals are.
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And don't just assume that there won't be a real night and day difference between the two! All serious car guys mod their cars to some extent regardless of the starting point whether it be an SS, Z/28, or whatever. Out of the thirty or so cars that were in the Chevy High Performance Club I belonged to back in the day, there were maybe six that could run in Pure Stock when we went to the strip, most of us had to run in Stock because we had some mods. Rarely will you find a performance car on the street that is "pure stock", that's just the way car guys and gals are.
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I think your right but the OP as well as me are getting at the fact of who knows? You got a lot people saying they want it and its going to be this and that, of whom probably cant afford it anyways.
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I think your right but the OP as well as me are getting at the fact of who knows? You got a lot people saying they want it and its going to be this and that, of whom probably cant afford it anyways.
Well it is certain that nothing is "written in stone" at this point about what a new Z/28 will consist of, or even if there will be one. At the same time, there have been enough well placed "hints" that it looks like we will get one and it will be an LSA variant.
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Okay, I've been watching the threads for some time on the Z-28 and never posted. Frankly I don't get the hype. Who really cares?

If you know what you're doing, you can easily build the SS into a much more capable car than the Z-28 is forecast to be. Even if they were to advertise it as 600HP, that would make in the neighborhood of 500 at the wheels. Spend 6K on a SC and a weekend of work, you can easily beat that number. Plus the aftermarket blower will support much more HP in the future. Anything that comes OEM will be conservative. No way around it.

So other than being the first kid on block, I don't see it. To each his own, but just don't assume you're getting a night and day difference between the two. As a comparison look what people are doing with GT500s. The factory blower is the first thing that goes when they want more out of it.
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Warranty will be shot once they figure out your racing it, or driving it hard. Alot of dealers play this game now so don't expect that not to slap you in the face. Warranty is just year 2000's sucker lure anymore.

I bought my SS/RS for 34,500 roughly after ttl. they want supposedly 50k for the z28. Modded with after market my sc was 6100 after tax. 40,600 now and teds street pack made for another 2k so 42,600. so im about 7,000 grand less which would probally buy me the rods pistons rings and sleeves no problem if i wanted to really boost the sc for another 70 dollar pulley.
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I agree with the OP you guys dont even know what its going to be. Part of the muscle car culture which you are all claiming is one of your top reasons behind getting the Z, is SOUPING up the car your self. Again I dont understand either what the big deal is. These people are the same people that have to have the IPAD ont he first day of release.
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:57 PM   #13
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Heritage is a big part of the allure for some of us. Any Chevy can be an SS, but only the Camaro gets the Z28 RPO code. Are those three characters worth $50k? Well...that's in the eye of the beholder.
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Here's the thing about Christmas presents. It doesn't matter WHEN you open them. The speculation of what it might be if it even arrives is all it takes for some people to voice their dream car or "wish list" or what have you. It's the anticipation leading up to it, not the actual finding out that makes it so intriguing. GM is teasing us now, and usually they don't tease unless they DO plan on doing something about it. So I have faith they will. As to what, we'll ALL just have to wait and see.

Remember what was said about the rumored return of the Camaro BEFORE the concept was released? My goodness there was the same type of "what's it going to be" and "when will it be announced" discussions then. And now we're past all that because the Camaro is finally here.

Speculation keeps people interested. Let them talk!
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I'm just saying that people mod their cars..period. Everyone wants theirs to be just a little different then everyone else's. These are awesome cars and I will admit that I am jealous of you who already have one. That being said I am waiting for the 2013 model because my dad has a 68 convertible and I want mine to be an anniversary of his year. So if the z/28 is made then mine will be a 2013 z/28....otherwise it will be a 2SS.
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Old 08-08-2010, 01:31 PM   #16
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Heritage is a big part of the allure for some of us. Any Chevy can be an SS, but only the Camaro gets the Z28 RPO code. Are those three characters worth $50k? Well...that's in the eye of the beholder.
I think this is the best way to put it. Yea you can talk warranty w/ the S/C and everything else thats being said, but as soon as you put it on the track, or modify something (depending on your dealer) the warranty is GONE... It's just one of those things
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I can't wait to see what the Z/28 will be like.

If GM do this right it will be a phenomenal car...... not only will there be a fair power increase but the handling will be improved too.

GM (by what we have seen recently) are building the Z/28 to be competetive with the GT500, so they will look at all aspects of that car and build a car to grind the stang in to the dirt, at least this is what i'm hoping for.

Go on GM make us proud!!!
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Heritage is a big part of the allure for some of us. Any Chevy can be an SS, but only the Camaro gets the Z28 RPO code. Are those three characters worth $50k? Well...that's in the eye of the beholder.
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Heritage is a big part of the allure for some of us. Any Chevy can be an SS, but only the Camaro gets the Z28 RPO code. Are those three characters worth $50k? Well...that's in the eye of the beholder.
I love that line about the Z28 . I've said it before too.
Personally i wouldn't care if the Z28 had the LSA. The LS7 would be great. 505HP , and no extra weight for the blower. With some tweaks, like lighter wheels, they could have it weigh slightly less than the SS. It definitely won't be just a "rebadged SS."
Personally , with the new dash coming out at the same time, i hope the Z28 has a mature character, and not just a "hot rod". A tasteful metal trimmed grill would be cool too.
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I also agree with the OP. I guess ask the GT500 owners. Just like with the Camaro, you can make a Mustang as fast as a GT500 for less. No, there won't be a warranty, and no the engine internals may not be "forged" from the factory, but you can always buy that later, so who cares about the warranty, as it won't likely be fixed under warranty anyway.
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to each their own... i see nothing wrong about being excited for a product thats coming out, everyone has there "christmas"

gadget lovers had their Ipad/Iphone
gamers had their ps3/xbox
muscle cars have their camaros/mustangs

the list goes on and on... we always hear a rave about all the excitement of a new product, the anticipation the potential the want the need... I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PPL GETTIN EXCITED, THATS PART OF WHAT MAKES LIFE FUN!!! my 2 cents
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Okay, I've been watching the threads for some time on the Z-28 and never posted. Frankly I don't get the hype. Who really cares?
Not you. And that's okay. Just don't be surprised that there are those of us excited about it. (If we all thought the same way we'd live in a pretty boring world)

For me...there's a few things going for it --

#1, the Z28 nameplate holds a TON of meaning, personally. And a ton of meaning in the Camaro world at large.
#2, it's the ultimate factory Camaro. The top of the line, the "top dog".
#3, styling is sure to be bada$$, and while I'm in love with the design of the SS...it's starting to look like the Z28 will "out-flare" it in a lot of ways.

Finally...I'm not a modification junkie like a lot of people. If available, I'd like everything to come from the factory...where I get my performance and warranty intact. (If not, well...shoot -- mod away!! )
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yeah i like that too. I don't know why, but i'm a "stock person".
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I love these threads. they always come in rashes. . .and always people just don't understand.

so what if you can slap a blower on your car for 6k. is that including all the supporting mods? transmission, rearend, suspension? probably not for 6k. if done right it will cost you closer to 15-20k for all the supporting mods. everything that will make it more like a z28 less like your SS. and you still won't have any of the visual differences. with no warranty. . .just one bad ass car.


but in the end it won't be a z28. . .read my signature. he's the same guy that kept the faith and kept telling us to keep the faith. I am not disappointed with the current SS. I am keeping the faith that the Z28 will be something very special.

so if you want to tell everyone how stupid or crazy we are for wanting a car that isn't official go right on ahead. I'll just ignore you like I have everyone else.
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