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Old 07-23-2008, 08:52 PM   #276
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am i missing something here?

from when the SS came out in what 68 up to 72 the SS camaro was always the high performer of the camaro line, at least HP wise. (no, DZs dont count) and when it came back years later in the 90s was the same thing.

so if we go by history here, if and when there is a camaro z-28 it wouldnt, or shouldnt out perform the SS.

you think there going to put a supercharger on a V8 pushing out 420 horses already, and have it surpass the SS?

that just wouldnt add up in my opinion, unless they go with this current line and supercharge the V6 or something.

no?
yet another negative post. and who was top dog is something we can discuss for 1 billion threads. the fact of the matter is if they introduce a limited production camaro no matter what the name it will out perform the SS. sorry to burst your bubble. the reason. . .the SS is in the line up as of monday. nothing else.
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DZ302 was Z28 motor. They're all good. Actually, ZL1 was the big dog
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i thought we were at 1,954,343 threads about this
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i thought we were at 1,954,343 threads about this
yea well can't help the noobs sometimes.
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REALLY WHO CARES...There both CAMARO's and thats the only thing that matters.

But for the sake of argument.

They are complete different cars, One was built for Drag racing, the other was built for street performance.

Lets do this:

SS vs Z28 in the quarter mile...who win's....SS....Hands Down!
SS vs Z28 at the Track...who win's....Z28...without breaking a sweet!


So one could say they were both "TOP DOGS" in there own "back yards"...

SO PLEASE LET IT GO!
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am i missing something here?

from when the SS came out in what 68 up to 72 the SS camaro was always the high performer of the camaro line, at least HP wise. (no, DZs dont count) and when it came back years later in the 90s was the same thing.

so if we go by history here, if and when there is a camaro z-28 it wouldnt, or shouldnt out perform the SS.

you think there going to put a supercharger on a V8 pushing out 420 horses already, and have it surpass the SS?

that just wouldnt add up in my opinion, unless they go with this current line and supercharge the V6 or something.

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Why didn't you just reply to one of the other Z28 threads? Also, things change. The SS doesn't HAVE to be top dog. For crying out loud, SS, Z28, who cares.
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yet another negative post. and who was top dog is something we can discuss for 1 billion threads. the fact of the matter is if they introduce a limited production camaro no matter what the name it will out perform the SS. sorry to burst your bubble. the reason. . .the SS is in the line up as of monday. nothing else.
i dont think my post is negative, and im not trying to be.

i think a z-28 would be cool as well. but if chevrolet is going to start producing an SS, there are going to be people that want the best, and as of now this is it.

i remember reading a while back that this SS was supposed to be the supercharged motor, the z-28 was not.

my prediction is that in the future this will happen. that is if gas prices allow it.
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i dont think my post is negative, and im not trying to be.

i think a z-28 would be cool as well. but if chevrolet is going to start producing an SS, there are going to be people that want the best, and as of now this is it.

i remember reading a while back that this SS was supposed to be the supercharged motor, the z-28 was not.

my prediction is that in the future this will happen. that is if gas prices allow it.
you may not but after doing a lot of damage control another post pops up about how there's no Z28, SS is the best, blah blah blah Z28 is dead or wot not. and it's not like there isn't another thread that corrosponded to this thought that wasn't already made that you could have posted in. that's the point.
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i dont think my post is negative, and im not trying to be.

i think a z-28 would be cool as well. but if chevrolet is going to start producing an SS, there are going to be people that want the best, and as of now this is it.

i remember reading a while back that this SS was supposed to be the supercharged motor, the z-28 was not.

my prediction is that in the future this will happen. that is if gas prices allow it.
You're ok, it's just that this has already been hashed over..a few...hundred...times. Hey we have a 5th gen, is that cool or what? Paint it plaid and put barney stickers on the door I'll still drive it, heck even as a 4 banger.
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1. Go up to Home Depot and get a sheet of 1/4" aluminum ducting

2. Stencil the design of your favorite era Z28 insignia on to the ducting

3. Cut out stencil

4. Paint in your favorite shade of red or black

5. Glue to deck of your Camaro

6. Enjoy!





Do we really need to hear anything else about this?????????
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1. Go up to Home Depot and get a sheet of 1/4" aluminum ducting

2. Stencil the design of your favorite era Z28 insignia on to the ducting

3. Cut out stencil

4. Paint in your favorite shade of red or black

5. Glue to deck of your Camaro

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Do we really need to hear anything else about this?????????
Ricer badges YAY.

to you it's a name to me and true enthusiasts it's a way of life. I respect the fact you don't share in my love for what makes a Z a Z. so if you could respect mine.
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I always wanted an SS. They went back to basics and I am glad. But for the z lvers out there I am sure they willl get theres.
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am i missing something here?

from when the SS came out in what 68 up to 72 the SS camaro was always the high performer of the camaro line, at least HP wise. (no, DZs dont count) and when it came back years later in the 90s was the same thing.

so if we go by history here, if and when there is a camaro z-28 it wouldnt, or shouldnt out perform the SS.

you think there going to put a supercharger on a V8 pushing out 420 horses already, and have it surpass the SS?

that just wouldnt add up in my opinion, unless they go with this current line and supercharge the V6 or something.

no?
Well if you hadn't noticed they didn't use "LT, RS, Z/28, and SS" as the trim levels... they went inline with the current format of LS LT and SS as the trim levels. In my opinion The Z was the best of the best because it was the total package... it could beat you on the straight and the corners Look for the Z28 to possibly have the LSA at one point... i can't wait honestly.
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to you it's a name to me and true enthusiasts it's a way of life. I respect the fact you don't share in my love for what makes a Z a Z. so if you could respect mine.

Okay, first I meant absolutely no offense. That was my sense of humor about the whole thing that I think is quite immature that some people are in such an uproar over the absense of the Z28. But I do understand on the same token that it's an important part of the Camaro herritage. It's just, the Camaro is back, and we should all be lucky and thankfull it has returned at all.

Second, would the performance of the car you order as an SS with either the L99 or LS3 be any differently if the badge on the decklid said Z28 instead of SS? Would your 4th gen F-body feel any different if you took off the Z28 badging from the front fenders?

Again, no disrespect to the Z28, but sometimes people go a little overboard.

I love the Z28, and wish there was a Z28. Having said that, I'm going to order an SS and will be thrilled with the car I'm sure.
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Okay, first I meant absolutely no offense. That was my sense of humor about the whole thing that I think is quite immature that some people are in such an uproar over the absense of the Z28. But I do understand on the same token that it's an important part of the Camaro herritage. It's just, the Camaro is back, and we should all be lucky and thankfull it has returned at all.

Second, would the performance of the car you order as an SS with either the L99 or LS3 be any differently if the badge on the decklid said Z28 instead of SS? Would your 4th gen F-body feel any different if you took off the Z28 badging from the front fenders?

Again, no disrespect to the Z28, but sometimes people go a little overboard.

I love the Z28, and wish there was a Z28. Having said that, I'm going to order an SS and will be thrilled with the car I'm sure.
ok point taken. and didn't really get upset over it. just making a point and the internet you can't tell sometimes when someone is joking/humor.

personally I think calling the base V-8 anything besides that with out doing something special doesn't note the SS or Z28 badging. I believe the SS and Z28 should be packages like they were back in the 60's. but the badges have been watered down to be just a trim level. but that's a different discussion entirely. I am glad the camaro is back and intend to buy a vert if no Z will be on it's way.

my 4th gen is sitting up on blocks right now so it won't feel like anything . but that's the thing if I had bought an SS i probably would have wanted to race the 1/4 mile all the time. but I bought a Z and enjoyed the fact that I could debage it and it look like a regular camaro and my over all performance goal is to make the thing carve some serious corners. but that being said oh well.

again I'm very greatful the camaro is back. I knew it would be back in 2002. just like I know the Z28 will be back some day. hopefully it will be soon.
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well depends on what Z28 means to you. if you're talking about a high horsepower car with a supercharger. . .maybe. they already have the LSA and LS9. wouldn't take much to put them in a camaro.

If you go back to what a Z28 was back in the day before it was truely watered down, a road race prepped camaro that had a 302 ci motor and a beefed up suspension, then still maybe.

Now there's a better chance of the supercharged camaro then what I believe would be a better choice for a Z28. The reason I say this the majority of people that want the Z28 are screaming for a supercharged camaro. so it would make it more profitable for GM to make that then what I want.

just try not to be so negative torwards the possibility of a Z28. no one has confirmed or denied it there is one being built. so it's all about perspective.
I'd like to see an LS9 Z/28 as well being offered but if they can't supply us with one, could they at least offer something?

I totally understand all the SS guys and non Z/28 enthusiasts who think this debate is silly because GM is offering 95% of what a Z/28 would be with the SS. On the surface it does sound silly but let's just say that every company would love to have a product as recognizable and that had as many devotees as the Z/28.
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You may or may not know, but the question she answered is misquoted. Cheryl herself responded in an email saying the actual quesiton was something like, "with there be a Z28 at launch?" And her answer was no.

And since then Scott as trid to calm the waters saying it isn't dead. So again back to your original point. I wish they'd say something also.
Yes but to comment so much about the SS being the corporate top gun performance model and then say that's the direction we are going in says much more to me than a simple no about whether there will be a Z/28 at launch. If it was to be at a later date, why didn't she just say so and be done with it?
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Probably because it isn't definite,

They need to look at a number of factors,
Sales - and of what trims
Market response and Feedback
Dev costs
Market Segment for the Z/28 (total track car, slimmed and tightend or HiPo Beast or Beast with cleats?)
Depending on the above then you start your goodies package.
- Integrated RS pack?
- Engine (LS376/480 480hp | LSA s/c 556hp etc - I know the LS9 is an awesome engine, the Camaro wont ever get it)
- Transmission (SS 3.45 axle, CTS-V 3.7. axle..)
and so on....

There is seriously alot of crap GM will have to do to prep and present a Z/28 if and when they decide its economically viable to do so.
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Sure but they had to do all of that for the SS already so it should not be such a new exercise.
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Good point but do you think they would have gotten the green light in todays market with todays GM and all the challenges it faces? When I read this article and Cheryl's specific response to the question "Will there be a Z/28 model?", it sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...wer/index.html

It was a misquote.

Let me make a few comments:

We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.

We don't talk about future products -- but what makes you think we haven't been doing work on something?????

I can't say more than that......other than:

"KEEP THE FAITH" --

I can't lie to you guys -- because if I do, I will have zero credibility......and I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon -- you're stuck with my ugly mug.
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