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Old 08-06-2008, 02:00 PM   #426
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and Fbodfather has said that the Z is NOT DEAD....so please stop asserting as truth otherwise.
When did I do that? I didn't mean to >.>
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:06 PM   #427
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Repost from a different thread....but I believe pertinent.

There will be no production supercharged camero per ED WELBURN Vice President GM in charge of global development.

NO supercharged Camaro is going to make production. there are a few running around he admits....but no production plans.

He said no Z28.

prove it.

I want to see the whole quote, want to see where it came from, want to know when it was said and want to know the context of the conversation.

you talk a good game, but since you haven't been in on any of the product planning and development meetings for the Camaro, I dont believe a word you say about the Camaro or the status of the Z28 program... until you've got some HARD COPY PROOF, your best bet is to keep your mouth shut.
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:08 PM   #428
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MY HEART JUST BROKE WTF WTF WHAT ABOUT THE SUPERCHARGER WHEN IS THAT COMMING. I NEED 500 + ALTHOUGH 400+ IS NOT BAD. MAYBE THEY WILL CALL IT THE ZL1. **** IM MAD NOW. I JUST HOPE THAT THEY WILL GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHANGE THE FRONT END ON THE SS. NOT FEELIN THE BIGGER BOTTOM GRILL.
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prove it.

I want to see the whole quote, want to see where it came from, want to know when it was said and want to know the context of the conversation.

you talk a good game, but since you haven't been in on any of the product planning and development meetings for the Camaro, I dont believe a word you say about the Camaro or the status of the Z28 program... until you've got some HARD COPY PROOF, your best bet is to keep your mouth shut.
WMHolden will only produce an alleged copy of an electronic letter he received. It will be a copied and pasted statement. Thus far, IMVHO, he has no unequivocal proof of what he is claiming. What's a little confusing to me is this meeting was with a bunch of GTO guys or something; I forget exactly.
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Personally, I think any/all threads talking about the Z28/ supercharged Camaro need to be locked and deleted.

I'm tired of all the "BRING ME THE Z" or "THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A Z!!?!?!" ETC.

The ONLY person I will believe ANYTHING about on the Z28, is the Fbodfather Himself.

He should be the ONLY person allowed to post ANYTHING about the Z, THEN we can talk about it.

Just my opinion.
I, honestly, don't see why there are so many with a view similar to yours. If you were to apply this view to Camaro, before it was even confirmed to be produced, this forum wouldn't be here. I'm all about discussion and friendly talk about enthusiasm and disappointment in this car, but I don't see why there is such a fuss about this particular subject. I can completely understand the frustration in sifting through anything constructive in posts that have no validation, however, we have been given validation by 'Father. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I think this forum is a great place to express it. Can't we all just get along?
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When did I do that? I didn't mean to >.>
Sorry:( ...not you. That was meant to be directed at Wm Holden; I forgot to quote....
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Sorry:( ...not you. That was meant to be directed at Wm Holden; I forgot to quote....
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prove it.

I want to see the whole quote, want to see where it came from, want to know when it was said and want to know the context of the conversation.

you talk a good game, but since you haven't been in on any of the product planning and development meetings for the Camaro, I dont believe a word you say about the Camaro or the status of the Z28 program... until you've got some HARD COPY PROOF, your best bet is to keep your mouth shut.


Do you know who this guy is?


The information came from the indicated area.



He is



When? answer below...

Sent: Tue 7/08/08 4:57 PM
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Mr. Holden,

On Tuesday, July 15, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz will be visiting Southern California to meet with local business and design leaders. We'd love for you to be among a select group of car enthusiasts to sit down with Bob for a breakfast roundtable during his visit. We ask that you limit attendance to under 4 members per club. Details are as follows:

Meet-and-Greet Breakfast Roundtable with Bob Lutz, General Motors Vice Chairman, Global Product Development
Tuesday, July 15
8 - 9:30 a.m.
Art Center College of Design, Hillside Campus
Conference Room B
1700 Lida Street
Pasadena, CA 91103

Follow the main road through the campus until it ends in a large student parking lot. This lot is adjacent to the south entrance of the campus which gives you direct access to Conference Room B. There will be signs directing you to parking and to the conference room.

Please pass this around to other members of the Seaside Goats and RSVP to this event by this upcoming Thursday (July 10th). We ask that participation is limited to under 4 members per club. Hope to hear back!
-Nate Erickson
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Later changed to Ed Welburn after Nate called me ....post rsvp.

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William,
Thanks for your time on the phone this afternoon. Here is the information of the event and some on Ed Welburn. Please get back to me as soon as possible (preferably by tomorrow morning) with short (no more than one paragraph) bios on those attending and your club, the Seaside GOATS. Call or email me if you have any questions.
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Meet-and-Greet Breakfast Roundtable with Ed Welburn, General Motors Vice President, Global Design
Tuesday, July 15
8 - 9:30 a.m.
Art Center College of Design, Hillside Campus
Conference Room B
1700 Lida Street
Pasadena, CA 91103

Follow the main road through the campus until it ends in a large student parking lot. This lot is adjacent to the south entrance of the campus which gives you direct access to Conference Room B. There will be signs directing you to parking and to the conference room.



Ed Welburn was appoiting GM Vice PResident, global design on March 1st, 2005. He had been vice president of design, GM North America, since October 1 2003, when he became only the sixth design leader in GM history. As vice president of global design, Welburn is responsible f! or the d esign development of all General Motors cars and trucks. He heads a team of over 1,400 men and women operating in 11 design centers in eight countries around the world. Under his direction, GM has walked away from the North American International Auto Show with the coveted 2007 and 2008 "car of the year" awards and the 2008 Motor Trend Car of the Year for Cadillac CTS, the 2008 Eyes on Design Awards for both the CTS-V and CTS Coupe Concept and the 2008 Green Car of the Year for GM's Chevy Tahoe Hybrid.
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Old 08-06-2008, 02:47 PM   #434
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Camaro SS is fine with me. I am sick of seeing old Z28's/IROC's all over. Bring on the "SS"
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I'm sorry, but I still fail to see the proof in the statement. Please believe me when I say that if I get egg on my face and there is actual confirmation the car isn't in development for a future release, I will be the first to appologize. However, this information does not have any factual information as of yet. It is common knowledge that GM does not discuss future programs, so it would stand to reason that any answer from executives and such would be met with a "no, we aren't doing that car" and such. Again, if you are correct, and there is factual proof from someone like 'Father, then I'll be the first in line to appologize for any negative suggestions.

Sincerely...
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I'm sorry, but I still fail to see the proof in the statement. Please believe me when I say that if I get egg on my face and there is actual confirmation the car isn't in development for a future release, I will be the first to appologize. However, this information does not have any factual information as of yet. It is common knowledge that GM does not discuss future programs, so it would stand to reason that any answer from executives and such would be met with a "no, we aren't doing that car" and such. Again, if you are correct, and there is factual proof from someone like 'Father, then I'll be the first in line to appologize for any negative suggestions.

Sincerely...
I gotcha Radz...we've been back and forth a little :seesaw: and I applaud your tenacity..

Again....Passion is good.


But have a plan B ready..ok?
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I gotcha Radz...we've been back and forth a little :seesaw: and I applaud your tenacity..

Again....Passion is good.


But have a plan B ready..ok?
Kinda cocky aren't you. You could be a little more respectful of others. Not everone wants what you want.
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I, honestly, don't see why there are so many with a view similar to yours. If you were to apply this view to Camaro, before it was even confirmed to be produced, this forum wouldn't be here. I'm all about discussion and friendly talk about enthusiasm and disappointment in this car, but I don't see why there is such a fuss about this particular subject. I can completely understand the frustration in sifting through anything constructive in posts that have no validation, however, we have been given validation by 'Father. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I think this forum is a great place to express it. Can't we all just get along?
I have no real problem with people discussing it really, but ever since those articles have been popping up all over the net people have come here and made posts like "OH EM GEE TEY KEELED OUR Z28!!!" and its just kind of annoying, especially when we have been told by the father that it isn't dead.
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Kinda cocky aren't you. You could be a little more respectful of others. Not everone wants what you want.
I suppose my confidence can be interrupted as cocky....I'm sorry if I've offended you.

I could be more respectful of others.


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for one this is a very touchy subject and for anyone that feels it should be locked I'm sorry but it will just cause another thread to pop up. and if that were merged it would cause another thread and so on and so forth.


As for your post holden, we know of a supercharged camaro running around. we also know what Fbodfather has said, and that no one in their right mind would think the Z28 ZL1 or wot not would be available at the start of production. and all the information being published right now about the Z28 being dead is only focusing on the start of regular production. because everyone that sells mags and wot not want to sell more mags later on they only publish what is in the short term and state it as fact when in reality it could/will change in the future. so they publish a new mag later on with more current info and they make more money. all this press about the Z being dead is just to sell mags or to draw up internet traffic. but yea.

so who cares what people feel when it comes to locking threads over the Z28. the ones that want it will just create new threads.
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Radz,

Next to the quote icon at the bottom of each post is the multi quote icon.

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You can turn this on in multiple posts from multiple threads if you want. should look like this.

once you've selected all the posts you want to quote then just click the "Quote" button on another post or the "Go Advanced" button. if you have quoted posts from threads other than the one you are posting in, you will have to look for the "add posts from other threads" link which will be under the "submit post" and "preview post" buttons. This will bring in every post that you have multiquoted above into your current post.


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for one this is a very touchy subject and for anyone that feels it should be locked I'm sorry but it will just cause another thread to pop up. and if that were merged it would cause another thread and so on and so forth.


As for your post holden, we know of a supercharged camaro running around. we also know what Fbodfather has said, and that no one in their right mind would think the Z28 ZL1 or wot not would be available at the start of production. and all the information being published right now about the Z28 being dead is only focusing on the start of regular production. because everyone that sells mags and wot not want to sell more mags later on they only publish what is in the short term and state it as fact when in reality it could/will change in the future. so they publish a new mag later on with more current info and they make more money. all this press about the Z being dead is just to sell mags or to draw up internet traffic. but yea.

so who cares what people feel when it comes to locking threads over the Z28. the ones that want it will just create new threads.

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Dude....I was sitting across the table from ED when he told me (having breakfast)..(I have nothing to do with Magnuson except I love my blower)
I was VERY displeased with his statement.

but again...NO supercharged Camaro is going to make production (FROM GM). there are a few running around he admits....but no production plans.



I got to ask him one question and that was his oration.
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Partial quote of myself.
like I said. most people around right now are only focusing on the SORP. and that will be the answer you will recieve because of that. but the Z isn't dead and who's to say that the Z28 would be supercharged. could have been what was going to be a ZL1 that was supercharged. . .

everyone is ASSuming that the Z28 is a supercharged camaro. . .it's just speculation.
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I gotcha Radz...we've been back and forth a little :seesaw: and I applaud your tenacity..

Again....Passion is good.


But have a plan B ready..ok?
Yeah, we have, and I think it However, I think we can all agree we all only want the best that the Camaro Team can provide us, regardless of what we want individually

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Kinda cocky aren't you. You could be a little more respectful of others. Not everone wants what you want.
I kinda' thought the same in the beginning, however, I'm sure I come off like that, so I try to use smilies, LOL.

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I have no real problem with people discussing it really, but ever since those articles have been popping up all over the net people have come here and made posts like "OH EM GEE TEY KEELED OUR Z28!!!" and its just kind of annoying, especially when we have been told by the father that it isn't dead.
The way my crazy mind works is that the more I try to positively post keeping the Z28 around, no matter what configuration, the more likely someone important at GM will see enthusiasm. I get carried away, but that's just how strongly I feel about it

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I suppose my confidence can be interrupted as cocky....I'm sorry if I've offended you.

I could be more respectful of others.


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I just drool alot too....



It doesn't help making a statement as you did coming on the heals of other blogs and such saying the same thing; then us reading messages from people in or close to the project shoot down the incorrect statements. However, I know I could do better at not coming off short, as I'm sure I do - accidently - at times. I call on myself, LOL.

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for one this is a very touchy subject and for anyone that feels it should be locked I'm sorry but it will just cause another thread to pop up. and if that were merged it would cause another thread and so on and so forth.


As for your post holden, we know of a supercharged camaro running around. we also know what Fbodfather has said, and that no one in their right mind would think the Z28 ZL1 or wot not would be available at the start of production. and all the information being published right now about the Z28 being dead is only focusing on the start of regular production. because everyone that sells mags and wot not want to sell more mags later on they only publish what is in the short term and state it as fact when in reality it could/will change in the future. so they publish a new mag later on with more current info and they make more money. all this press about the Z being dead is just to sell mags or to draw up internet traffic. but yea.

so who cares what people feel when it comes to locking threads over the Z28. the ones that want it will just create new threads.
It's funny because the morning after the first announcement of a dead Z28, gtahvit and I were typing threads to save it simultaneously and he managed to finish his before I did. Ultimately, they were merged but I'm sure for people who don't care, it was probably annoying. I will say that I thought to myself, "if it's annoying, why read it? I don't read what I don't have interest in." However, I can say that the site that I run is so overrun with stupid threads that I pretty much just left it (well, that and because of the drama...) Anyways, a clean site is a nice site to visit and obtain and offer information/opinions.thoughts on, and this is one of those sites.

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Radz,

Next to the quote icon at the bottom of each post is the multi quote icon.

looks like this.

You can turn this on in multiple posts from multiple threads if you want. should look like this.

once you've selected all the posts you want to quote then just click the "Quote" button on another post or the "Go Advanced" button. if you have quoted posts from threads other than the one you are posting in, you will have to look for the "add posts from other threads" link which will be under the "submit post" and "preview post" buttons. This will bring in every post that you have multiquoted above into your current post.


Hopefully that helps. pm me if not.

Mindz and gtahvit - Thanks for your help. As you can see, I am practicing, LOL
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It's funny because the morning after the first announcement of a dead Z28, gtahvit and I were typing threads to save it simultaneously and he managed to finish his before I did. Ultimately, they were merged but I'm sure for people who don't care, it was probably annoying. I will say that I thought to myself, "if it's annoying, why read it? I don't read what I don't have interest in." However, I can say that the site that I run is so overrun with stupid threads that I pretty much just left it (well, that and because of the drama...) Anyways, a clean site is a nice site to visit and obtain and offer information/opinions.thoughts on, and this is one of those sites.
don't get me wrong I totally agree with merging threads but to lock down a thread and all won't stop people from creating new threads. that was my biggest point.
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Old 08-06-2008, 05:42 PM   #448
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And in relation to posting up positive stuff and hoping GM see's it.

I have no clue why I was invited to an intimate round table meeting with Ed Welburn. I'm just a fanatic. (like yourselves I see)
And out of the blue....(to an e-mail address almost no-one on the planet knew i was involved in) I get the invite....It was way cooler then I ever expected....(I'm thinking college auditorium and thousands of nobodys)
and here's a room with ten people in it talking with ED WELBURN.....I'm not sure it's really sunk in YET!
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I'm still siding with passion as a good thing....

And in relation to posting up positive stuff and hoping GM see's it.

I have no clue why I was invited to an intimate round table meeting with Ed Welburn. I'm just a fanatic. (like yourselves I see)
And out of the blue....(to an e-mail address almost no-one on the planet knew i was involved in) I get the invite....It was way cooler then I ever expected....(I'm thinking college auditorium and thousands of nobodys)
and here's a room with ten people in it talking with ED WELBURN.....I'm not sure it's really sunk in YET!
Regardless of what he told you, i'd love the opportunity to ask him a question or ten. Must have been great to be able to speak your minds to Chevrolet brass. And as for the last 20 posts, no supercharger does not mean no Z/28!
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Regardless of what he told you, i'd love the opportunity to ask him a question or ten. Must have been great to be able to speak your minds to Chevrolet brass. And as for the last 20 posts, no supercharger does not mean no Z/28!
And no Z28 does not mean no supercharger
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