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Old 07-21-2008, 07:37 PM   #101
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Thanks for that Chris.
My conclusions? There will not be a Z28 right off the bat. We can go no further than that in our speculation.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:37 PM   #102
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Email response from Cheryl regarding the article.
and late to the game but it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing in this situation. scott stated it was down the road for info on the Z28. and she says no z28. . .so now ask the question is it down the road and she might give a different answer. probably the question was about launch trim levels.
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I think everyone needs to take a step back here for a moment.

I am actually kind of amazed at what I am seeing here. We have all been hoping and praying for the new Camaro. When someone said it might be canceled it was like a Chinese fire drill with people screaming from the rooftops with megaphones about how they were wrong and so on and so forth. When someone would swoop in and make some offhand comment about GM canceling something or implementing a dramatic “unwanted” change we would swoop in and backhand them before they could complete their sentience. We would defend those we knew to be from GM with a force of purpose and solidarity that was almost zealot in nature. We debated every picture, dissected every word, and brewed over every article only to come to the same consensus every time. And yes some showed more passion then others over the course of these discussions, but in the end we all seemed to agree that the Camaro was coming back and the world was as it should be.

Now fast forward one announcement and it would seem that the world is coming to an end for some. Somewhere along the line it seems that some of us here somehow felt that we were entitled to a specific badge on this beautiful car. And anything less means all out rejection of this car. That this is somehow any less of a work of art, a thing of beauty, and something to behold only because one cannot obtain a certain badge on the vehicle. Where along the line did I miss the part about how we are entitled to a Z28. That they are required to manufacturer one. That history demands they produce one? Where the car that they are going to manufacturer is anything less then extraordinary because they have not said they will make one yet?

I realize and understand the passion here that people have over this vehicle, believe you me I do, but it is this sense of entitlement that has me disturbed. Saying well they did not announce a Z28 today so screw them I am going to go buy X instead to me sounds a lot like a tantrum because you did not get your way. Like anything in life you are always going to want what you cannot have. First it was the Camaro. Well now that you can almost touch that it is no longer good enough. Now you want a Z28. And what if they make the Z28? Are you going to want a return of the 502? I mean where does it stop.

I understand the disappointment but I really think that some here have lost sight of what was important for all of these years while we waited with baited breath. Why we have this passion in the first place. Why we have sat here and posted over and over again debating even things as trivial as the colors of the gauges or the placement of the gas cap. I think that some have lost sight of the fact that the Camaro has finally returned and it is an outstanding piece of engineering that will have all who drive it grinning from ear to ear.

*getting off soapbox*
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I think everyone needs to take a step back here for a moment.

I am actually kind of amazed at what I am seeing here. We have all been hoping and praying for the new Camaro. When someone said it might be canceled it was like a Chinese fire drill with people screaming from the rooftops with megaphones about how they were wrong and so on and so forth. When someone would swoop in and make some offhand comment about GM canceling something or implementing a dramatic “unwanted” change we would swoop in and backhand them before they could complete their sentience. We would defend those we knew to be from GM with a force of purpose and solidarity that was almost zealot in nature. We debated every picture, dissected every word, and brewed over every article only to come to the same consensus every time. And yes some showed more passion then others over the course of these discussions, but in the end we all seemed to agree that the Camaro was coming back and the world was as it should be.

Now fast forward one announcement and it would seem that the world is coming to an end for some. Somewhere along the line it seems that some of us here somehow felt that we were entitled to a specific badge on this beautiful car. And anything less means all out rejection of this car. That this is somehow any less of a work of art, a thing of beauty, and something to behold only because one cannot obtain a certain badge on the vehicle. Where along the line did I miss the part about how we are entitled to a Z28. That they are required to manufacturer one. That history demands they produce one? Where the car that they are going to manufacturer is anything less then extraordinary because they have not said they will make one yet?

I realize and understand the passion here that people have over this vehicle, believe you me I do, but it is this sense of entitlement that has me disturbed. Saying well they did not announce a Z28 today so screw them I am going to go buy X instead to me sounds a lot like a tantrum because you did not get your way. Like anything in life you are always going to want what you cannot have. First it was the Camaro. Well now that you can almost touch that it is no longer good enough. Now you want a Z28. And what if they make the Z28? Are you going to want a return of the 502? I mean where does it stop.

I understand the disappointment but I really think that some here have lost sight of what was important for all of these years while we waited with baited breath. Why we have this passion in the first place. Why we have sat here and posted over and over again debating even things as trivial as the colors of the gauges or the placement of the gas cap. I think that some have lost sight of the fact that the Camaro has finally returned and it is an outstanding piece of engineering that will have all who drive it grinning from ear to ear.

*getting off soapbox*
Some of the people you are refering to are trolls that joined the site to just cause trouble and weren't enthusiasts at all. Some of us feel that it's wrong due to heritage, and some just love Z28 more.

But I honestly believe it's down the road and the people that are on this site that aren't trolls that have kept the faith and are still keeping the faith will be rewarded with the Z28.

If the public demands it, it will happen. so believe me GM has eyes and ears on these forums and those eyes and ears will report back to their superiors and tell them how bad we want a Z28. (this is assuming it's not already in production plans for future model years).

But honestly I believe scott's post from camaroz28.com can not be ignored. he stated it was too far down the road to even talk about right now. that right there says it's in the plans. but I'm not naive and have not considered that it might not be down the road. I'm just keeping the faith.
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I never expected GM to come out with everything at once, I think that some of us are just shocked to see no Z in the list, I know it sucks but i'm keeping the faith!
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:04 PM   #106
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A Camaro just isn't a Camaro without a Z28.

Also, it is way more than just a badge. It is almost a lifestyle. Z28 means something to some people that just cant be explained.

I am happy that the Camaro is back, and I don't think I am entitled to something more by any stretch. All I can say is how I feel at this moment in time and right now I feel that GM has/is dropping the ball. I will not purchase any other trim level than Z28. Hell, I'm not even going to test drive anything other than a Z28. I'm not saying I'm going to run out and buy a Ford or a Dodge either (neither really do anything for me). If you want to settle for an SS, be my guest, but please stop telling others to keep their opinions, hopes, thoughts, and dreams to themselves.

I already have my dream car, I just thought it would be cool to have the '80 backed into the garage next to a 2010. Same colors, same trim, and both Z28s.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:15 PM   #108
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We were told the LS3 would not be used too...I bet the Z28 or whatever they call the LSA model will show up later. They don't want you to wait to buy. But, there is a possibility they will decide to cancel it do to fuel costs.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:18 PM   #109
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Personally I'm with this LS/LT crap. I don't care if all other regular chevy models come with that, it's rediculous IMO as a previous Camaro owner and still enthusiest. Why not just say RS vs. having an RS package? Corvette is not LS/LT/ZO6 is it?

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Actually the Vette is.
the "Option" packs for the '08 Vette Coupe are:
1LT, 2LT, 3LT, 4LT

For the Z06:
1LZ, 2LZ, 3LZ

Its way to early to get you knickers in twist. for god's sake buy the one you can afford and "de-badge" it if you want. Go totally stealth.
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Some of the people you are refering to are trolls that joined the site to just cause trouble and weren't enthusiasts at all.
The trolls are annoying. Some are obvious that they are not a Camaro fans at all, while others are posing as long time Camaro enthusiasts and are knocking the new Camaro just to make themself feel better. Remember everybody, there are some people who sign up on this site just to degrade the Camaro and cause trouble. Not everyone, but some.
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Actually the Vette is.
the "Option" packs for the '08 Vette Coupe are:
1LT, 2LT, 3LT, 4LT

For the Z06:
1LZ, 2LZ, 3LZ

Its way to early to get you knickers in twist. for god's sake buy the one you can afford and "de-badge" it if you want. Go totally stealth.
No need to go stealth. Those Mustang GTs need to know which car beat them.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:25 PM   #112
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Bro smoke and mirors man , smoke and mirors!!!! A Camaro line with out the Z/28 might as well be a freaking Mustang! Have faith my people! Have Faith I for one like Tag will be waiting to hear it from the horses mouth (GM ) !!!!
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I just don't get why everyone thinks a high end supercharged model should be coming out the first year. Everyone keeps comparing with the GT500. But has everyone forgot that the new Mustangs were 2005 model year and the GT500 didn't come out until 2007???????

Seems about right to me that you get a feel for the market, take a year or 2 to tweak the car and work out the kinks then put out a monster version
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im gona wait and hear what gm is offical gona say about the z/28.
i dont see them killing the z/28 name after 40 years of use. when people think z/28 they automaticly think camaro, when people say ss people think chevelle,camaro,imapla,monte carlo,nova, and now hhr, cobalt.

imo i cant see them killing the haritage behide the camaro, with all that talk about going back to the camaros roots.
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The biggest amazement for me today was how accurate our guesses were. The leaks proved close or better.

They have a Z28 supercharged model, it was established a long time ago. Search some Z28 threads here. It was also leaked that the Z28 would not be available at launch, that it would launch around the same time as the 'vert.

There's no news here. The caveat is that if gas prices continue to rise, GM may kill the Z28 before it makes production. I doubt any final decision has been made.

Finally, if you must have a supercharger, buy one and stick it on your LS3. there are many bolt-on kits for the Corvette, and will be for the Camaro too.
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Straight from the horses mouth

Will there be a Z28 model?

CP: "There will be no Z28 model. Through the four generations of Camaro, there have been cases where Chevrolet chose to make the Z28 the top dog or the SS the top dog. As you're aware, Chevrolet is encouraging the SS strategy with cars such as the HHR SS and Cobalt SS. Consistent with this strategy, we have a Camaro SS."

heres the link to the full interview

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...wer/index.html
This is a political year. Company Execs, like Politicians, know how to speak very well without being clear. CP said "There will be no Z28 Model". She did not say There will never be a Z28 model. I believe it's coming, but in year two or three. GM wants you to buy a Camaro NOW! Not wait for 2-3 years.

It's coming, don't worry (IMO). Buy an SS now, then sell it when the Z28 becomes available.

ChrisL - also posted that CP clarified the question and said she was asked if the Z28 was coming out with the first production models (not an exact quote) and her answer was No. To me...this means it is not coming out next spring, but it does not mean it will never come out.

As others said - Keep The Faith.

ON ANOTHER NOTE:
CP said the accessories will be introduced at SEMA. I'll be at Indy, I'm hoping to see something there. CP also said pricing will not be provided until 30-60 days before production. So, we won't be seeing pricing until Dec/Jan. She also said it would be competitive with the Mustang.

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I don't know, my feeling is that her words were pretty definitive as "No Z28." I just don't get the feeling there is a "for now" tacked on to that, and I feel like all of us who called the reporters who said otherwise liars have egg on our faces. I'm gonna man up and say that I think I owe Bob Holland from Edmunds and that reporter from LLN an apology.

I think it looks pretty poor that on the same day they babble on and on and on about their devotion to Camaro heritage they also say they're dropping the most iconic Camaro designation just because it doesn't fit with their econo-car trim naming scheme, never mind that it fits just fine with their performance car naming scheme. We're not the only ones with egg on our faces.

EDIT: OK I just read CP's response and it looks like the reporter misquoted the question, and now all indicators are that it will just be a few years out. Once again, I'll man up and call myself an idiot. Egg, meet stovt's face. I could serve up a heck of an omelet now.
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I don't know, my feeling is that her words were pretty definitive as "No Z28." I just don't get the feeling there is a "for now" tacked on to that, and I feel like all of us who called the reporters who said otherwise liars have egg on our faces. I'm gonna man up and say that I think I owe Bob Holland from Edmunds and that reporter from LLN an apology.

I think it looks pretty poor that on the same day they babble on and on and on about their devotion to Camaro heritage they also say they're dropping the most iconic Camaro designation just because it doesn't fit with their econo-car trim naming scheme, never mind that it fits just fine with their performance car naming scheme. We're not the only ones with egg on our faces.
I respectfully disagree. as you can read in another thread the question was clarified as asking about time of launch or SORP. so to say we have egg on our faces is not true. WE've been stating that it will be a year out from production. so why apologize for that when it's not been confirmed it's dead? keep faith man keep faith.
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EDIT: OK I just read CP's response and it looks like the reporter misquoted the question, and now all indicators are that it will just be a few years out. Once again, I'll man up and call myself an idiot. Egg, meet stovt's face. I could serve up a heck of an omelet now.
that's the price you pay when you stead fast to your beliefs and that's fine as long as you're willing to admit it. . .
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and he's quoted on Cz28 as to saying it's further out. . .so which is it? silverghost?
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calling FBODFATHER,

Please chime in. . .we need your help. I've posted on Camaroz28.com the question(s) I'm asking here.


Was the Z28 ever in plans?
Is it still in the plans?

I know what you've posted over on Cz28 but please inform us thank you.
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