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Old 07-22-2008, 01:02 PM   #176
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My theory is that they are just waiting for a few years so they can see what Camaro sales and the market look like. And also to tweak the Z28 to determine where it will fit in within the Chevy lineup (can't step on the mighty vette's toes) and against it's main competitors.



I disagree...

High Performance - 638hp
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And it arrives this summer starting at $105,000. It's called the ZR1.
Exactly, the development dollars have ALREADY BEEN spent on the Z28...why wait except for the reason I gave above. Sorry to say it, but stretching out the excitement over the next several years is the best business decision.

Did you guys notice there were only 40ish people logged into the GM next chat? I would take that to mean the number of rabid Z28 option enthusiasts like myself to be relatively low. The hard core tech questions I interjected into the GM next chat weren't used, but *may* be answered later....we'll see. So,the pole numbers went from 45/55 to less than 15% in a hurry. For now, it seems those of us to the far right of the performance bellcurve are a small minority.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:11 PM   #177
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This is the Chevrolet hierarchy.

• LS9 Corvette ZR1
• (550-hp Camaro Z28 would go here)
• LS7 Corvette Z06
• LS3 Corvette
• LS3, L99 Camaro SS

A Z28 as this site has described—a 520-550 horsepower super beast—would take a slot above the Corvette. GM has done this before, so that's okay. The problem is that the Camaro SS is already so close in horsepower to the Corvette that it doesn't make sense to slap on 30 horsepower and call it a Z28. If you want a supercharged beast for a Z28, like the speculated versions discussed on this site, we would need to place the Camaro Z28 above the Corvette Z06. That violates the chain of command at Chevrolet. Had the SS been released with less horsepower, GM would have more wiggle room. There just isn't a place for the Z28. If this Camaro was labeled 1LE or ZL1, it might make more sense to make one that beats the Z06, but that isn't what you guys are seeking.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:14 PM   #178
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This is the Chevrolet hierarchy.

• LS9 Corvette ZR1
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•*LS7 Corvette Z06
• LS3 Corvette
•*LS3, L99 Camaro SS

A Z28 as this site has described—a 520-550 horsepower super beast—would take a slot above the Corvette. GM has done this before, so that's okay. The problem is that the Camaro SS is already so close in horsepower to the Corvette that it doesn't make sense to slap on 30 horsepower and call it a Z28. If you want a supercharged beast for a Z28, like the speculated versions discussed on this site, we would need to place the Camaro Z28 above the Corvette Z06. That violates the chain of command at Chevrolet. Had the SS been released with less horsepower, GM would have more wiggle room. There just isn't a place for the Z28. If this Camaro was labeled 1LE or ZL1, it might make more sense to make one that beats the Z06, but that isn't what you guys are seeking.
I will respectfully disagree. to me the Z28 falls in line with the Z06 and the ZR1 naming. so why not? and like as been brought up to me maybe it will be an option we can select when ordering but it's not named Z28. but it's an upgraded suspension and power package. sorta like a track pack.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:17 PM   #179
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Quote fbodfather "Now -- some of you say "well.......I don't want to buy an SS and then have the Z28 come out....." -- and to you I say "do you REALLY believe that we'll suddenly 'plateau' -- and that what you buy will be the 'end all?'......"

All I want to know is will there be a version out that is similar to the concept as far as the width on the backend or is this slimmed down version what it is across all the versions.

The car will not get widened...........
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You say that like you're not surprised......................................... ...

yeah -- WHO KNEW???!!!!???
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:19 PM   #181
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The car will not get widened...........
Widening a car would raise the cost exponentially. GM would have to make different panels and a different suspension. Additionally, all of the mounts would have to be extended. It would be astronomically inefficient for GM.

Get a wide body kit if you really want a wider car.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:24 PM   #182
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On that note, I know I am a bit disappointed at the L99 and not the Ls3 with the auto trans, can you clarify this from a business perspective. Its like getting an auto punishes us :( BTW GREAT work on the car for a whole unit, I have a shelby mustang with 540 hp so I wasnt as concerned with a 550 hp camaro(tho it would be nice
What do you mean by 'punish'? If you mean in terms of performance -- nothing could be further from the truth -- I think you'll be surprised that that the manual and automatics are nearly identical in terms of performance.
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Old 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM   #183
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What do you mean by 'punish'? If you mean in terms of performance -- nothing could be further from the truth -- I think you'll be surprised that that the manual and automatics are nearly identical in terms of performance.
Stop complaining about what you think might be unsat, and wait for the car to hit the dealerships and find out first hand. FBodfather would not be spending the time he spends on these boards just to lie to us....Time is money and he makes more than most of us!

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actually I dont think the GT500 is in production anymore. I think the last year of production was 2008. That is the normal $42,000 version called the GT500, it's last year was 2008.
Now the GT500 SuperSnake and GT500 KR may still be in production? I don't know but those cars are $75K+ and up!

Also , I mean c'mon, did you guys really think that GM was making a Camaro Z28 that would outpower a more expensive Vette base vette!?
I never for one bit thought GM would make a 500Hp+ Z28....................
The best you will get is a SS model with almost as much HP as a Base Vette!
I don't understand why making a competition between the corvette and the camaro. I mean, these are completely different cars and you can't only state the difference by looking at the power. Even with 550hp, a camaro would still be behind the corvette in a couple of situations ...
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I think there will be a Z28. If my memory serves me correctly, the Z28 was not offered right off the bat in 67 either.

It was, but not many people knew about it and only 602 were sold. The next year, it started getting known and they sold 7199. By 1969, everyone saw the little DZ302 running 12's with a duntov 20/20 and slicks....20,302 were sold that year.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:37 PM   #186
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why would it be a problem if a z28 is ahead of a base corvette??? like somebody else said a vette is a different car with different aerodynamics

just make a faster corvette if you don't want to insult the corvette crowd
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Stop complaining about what you think might be unsat, and wait for the car to hit the dealerships and find out first hand. FBodfather would not be spending the time he spends on these boards just to lie to us....Time is money and he makes more than most of us!

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I don't think a Camaro is going to run with a Z06 or ZR1. Does anyone remember the speculation of an LS8 to replace the LS7? I imagine if that is the case, it's going to run close to the output of an LSA because why would GM only give it the same power as an NA LS7?... I could see either an LSA or LS8 make it into a top dog Camaro. Even if Camaro made the same power, which it wouldn't, a Z06 would run away in every performance test just because it's just a better performance car. There's nothing wrong with that, IMHO.
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No Camaro will be able to BEAT a Z06...even with 50 more hp.....
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OMG!!! How are these NO Z28 THREADS STILL GOING!!! Do you guys really think that GM will never have a Z28 again..Come on guys! Some of you have begged and begged and begged for GM to bring back the camaro, and they have....now you complain that a trim model has not been announced, you say that you won't buy one just because of a badge...bullsh*t...

That wasn't part of the deal. You didn't ask for a camaro with 600 hp Z28 that decimates all, and then some. We asked for a Camaro and GM is trying to provide it even in the face of rising gas prices....

Get over yourself and buy the SS while GM puts the final touches on the car for the Vert, and the all American Badass......wait for it............Z28!!!!

I all of you, but this is petty crap to complain about! Especially on a message board with some people who have worked their ass off to make this happen!
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some people are very disrespectful...however, you can't please everybody. If people want to get their panties in a bunch over minor things, that's ok...they don't have to buy one...but I promise you that they will be jealous when they see us riding down the road in ours.
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OMG!!! How are these NO Z28 THREADS STILL GOING!!! Do you guys really think that GM will never have a Z28 again..Come on guys!
Anything is possible in todays automotive market.
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It was, but not many people knew about it and only 602 were sold. The next year, it started getting known and they sold 7199. By 1969, everyone saw the little DZ302 running 12's with a duntov 20/20 and slicks....20,302 were sold that year.
Sorry, you'd better go back and brush up on your Camaro history, the Z/28 was not available when the '67 Camaro was first released in Aug./Sept. 1966, it was closer to a mid-year release with release to the press in Nov. '66 and it went into production on Dec. 29, 1966.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:27 PM   #195
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until Scott types it, i wont believe it.
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and late to the game but it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing in this situation. scott stated it was down the road for info on the Z28. and she says no z28. . .so now ask the question is it down the road and she might give a different answer. probably the question was about launch trim levels.
Read it again, she said "no Z/28 at the start of regular production", that does not rule it out down the road.
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Read it again, she said "no Z/28 at the start of regular production", that does not rule it out down the road.
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I did. little late to the game there aren't you? it's been discussed, and discussed and discussed and discussed over and over and over again. and I agreed yesterday shortly after I said that. because she did state for SORP
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I did. little late to the game there aren't you? it's been discussed, and discussed and discussed and discussed over and over and over again. and I agreed yesterday shortly after I said that. because she did state for SORP
Well considering the thousands of posts to these forums in the last two days, yeah I'm "late to the game" as I tend to read every post in every thread I'm interested in. And I meant no "harm" to you, simply pointing out what was said at the point in time where I was in that thread. Perhaps if I take up speed reading I could get through these posts faster!
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What do you mean by 'punish'? If you mean in terms of performance -- nothing could be further from the truth -- I think you'll be surprised that that the manual and automatics are nearly identical in terms of performance.
because the first gear is so steep in the manual?

sorry no one was helping my thread about what that meant, I figured maybe you could..
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Well considering the thousands of posts to these forums in the last two days, yeah I'm "late to the game" as I tend to read every post in every thread I'm interested in. And I meant no "harm" to you, simply pointing out what was said at the point in time where I was in that thread. Perhaps if I take up speed reading I could get through these posts faster!
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Guys and gals....I, too, am surprised the Z28 is dead thread (or dying, or whatever...) is still going on. This back and forth thing is ridiculous and the complaining....it is getting annoying (and I know for fact that there's lots of others here who feel the same way). I continue to hear an echo of, be happy the Camaro is here...stop complaining...I'm right and you're wrong....

Can we please just let it go for now and talk about what has been confirmed for a little? ...instead of continuing to talk about other stuff that will happen down the road??? (most likely)...

Who's up for closing this thread? anyone?? who wants to keep it open?
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