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Old 08-27-2008, 09:53 PM   #120
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What's the MSRP going to be on the 370Z or the new 350Z? how about the G37?

If it's close to $20k, then rgeat we have a valid comparison. I'm willing to bet it's barely below $30k though. Screw your comparison all to hell. Why not pitch the V6 against a Porsche if your only variable is # of cylinders and doors?
Ah, but Porsche's have the wrong engine config (flat vs V) and they like to put the engine in a funny spot. The new Nissan GT-R is a much better comparison, it even weighs roughly the same.

I can't believe I just said that . . .
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:50 AM   #121
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i was just reading the spec sheet, why does the v6 take regular?

the v6 is aiming at younger people between 18-24. The ss is aiming between 25-68 IMO

heres my reasons for v6

insurance-
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price-

i am out of reasons but theres alot more
I'm feeling you exactly. I'm 21 now, and that lower entry price point and lower insurance costs look mighty tempting. Now originally I was looking only at the V8. My plan was to wait until 2012. In that year I'll turn 25 (lower insurance) and will have my Cobalt fully paid off. I'll fall right into that 25 age range you mentioned, and with 4 more years of savings and pay raises under my belt affording the V8 shouldn't be a problem. Then again, looking at how nice the V6 is, its tempting to get the Camaro V6 earlier. I think right now the one thing pushing me towards waiting and getting the SS is the idea that in a few years we stand a good chance of seeing a Gen V V8 and a DCT. Regardless of finances I want to wait a few years to see if those come out. And if I am able to afford the SS because I waited, well I'm certainly not going to penny-pinch and go for the V6.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:53 AM   #122
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I think right now the one thing pushing me towards waiting and getting the SS is the idea that in a few years we stand a good chance of seeing a Gen V V8 and a DCT.
You really think so? I am the same age as you and I would wait if I knew you could get a DCT in the Camaro. I just don't see it though since GM hasn't even rolled them out in Cadillac's yet.
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Just need a box of tools and an engine hoist.

Pull out the V6 and sell it on ebay lol. Then Slap in a 383 stroker and some longpipes. Some custom wheels.

BTW Anyone know if this V6 is 2 or 4 bolt mains?
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Im not sure the suspension / trans / and rear are going to be the same in the V6 then in the SS. I wouldn't bet on that. So you would be putting a lot more stress on that V6 built then you think by just slapping a 383 in there. Not to mention needing new brakes etc etc.

It just isn't worth it. You will spend WAY over the few thousand it will cost you to get a clean 6.2 LS3 from the get go.
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Yes but it gives an option to mod it after the note is paid off. This would really only be an option for someone that's gonna keep the car for a long tim.
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I'm feeling you exactly. I'm 21 now, and that lower entry price point and lower insurance costs look mighty tempting. Now originally I was looking only at the V8. My plan was to wait until 2012. In that year I'll turn 25 (lower insurance) and will have my Cobalt fully paid off. I'll fall right into that 25 age range you mentioned, and with 4 more years of savings and pay raises under my belt affording the V8 shouldn't be a problem. Then again, looking at how nice the V6 is, its tempting to get the Camaro V6 earlier. I think right now the one thing pushing me towards waiting and getting the SS is the idea that in a few years we stand a good chance of seeing a Gen V V8 and a DCT. Regardless of finances I want to wait a few years to see if those come out. And if I am able to afford the SS because I waited, well I'm certainly not going to penny-pinch and go for the V6.
Ditto, though I'll be 25 in fall of 2010 so I'd probably buy a Camaro in spring of 2011. Oh and I don't care about a dual clutch tranny. But gen V engine
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Ditto, though I'll be 25 in fall of 2010 so I'd probably buy a Camaro in spring of 2011. Oh and I don't care about a dual clutch tranny. But gen V engine
I'll be 24 in 2010, but I'll have been saving up for a huge down payment. I could wait longer if I knew more about the next generation engine.
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I personally feel that a muscle car at hart is a V-8 with a manual transmission!!! If I wanted to get a V-6 then I would get a 350z or a Q35 coupe which A. Weight less and B. are proven performance cars! Now if some one out there can tell me how to make the Maro weight as mush as a 350z with out compromising any safety issues then I am sold! That’s why the have an after market sales force out there. To help you get the performance you need and want out of your v-6 or 8!!!
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Aren't we a little negative about the V6 Camaro? I mean, it's still a Camaro. Give the little guy a break.
I like the V6 Camaro. I think it'll kick ass for what it is. I just get carried away when I see people assuming it'll kick the ass of proven performance cars like the 350Z. Perhaps the Z isn't the best car out there but we know that car can do low 13s stock and the Camaro V6 won't do that. I suppose I'm spoiled by V8 performance. So if I were to buy a Camaro it'll have to be a V8. But yeah, I did sound harsh. Sorry bout that.

I just think the Camaro will have a hell of a time trying to keep up with a 350Z considering the performance numbers that I've seen.

Although the Z car starts at around 30k.

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Just need a box of tools and an engine hoist.

Pull out the V6 and sell it on ebay lol. Then Slap in a 383 stroker and some longpipes. Some custom wheels.

BTW Anyone know if this V6 is 2 or 4 bolt mains?
I'm going to guess it's 6-bolt mains. All the new LS motors are, and I'd assume a V6 putting out 300hp would be too.

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I personally feel that a muscle car at hart is a V-8 with a manual transmission!!! If I wanted to get a V-6 then I would get a 350z or a Q35 coupe which A. Weight less and B. are proven performance cars! Now if some one out there can tell me how to make the Maro weight as mush as a 350z with out compromising any safety issues then I am sold! That’s why the have an after market sales force out there. To help you get the performance you need and want out of your v-6 or 8!!!
I'm with you. I mean, I like manual transmissions but I know there are some guys out there who will want automatics because they want to be able to turn off the cool when they're in traffic. Expecting their paddle shifters to be like having their cake and eating it too. The manual will still have the control. Until they get a SMG trans it won't happen. But that's another story. And yeah, the V6 in the 350Z and G37 are both good engines and in those cars they'll get through the traps in low 13s or so. So yeah, if I were going to get a V6 car I'd get one of those too.
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I personally feel that a muscle car at hart is a V-8 with a manual transmission!!! If I wanted to get a V-6 then I would get a 350z or a Q35 coupe which A. Weight less and B. are proven performance cars! Now if some one out there can tell me how to make the Maro weight as mush as a 350z with out compromising any safety issues then I am sold! That’s why the have an after market sales force out there. To help you get the performance you need and want out of your v-6 or 8!!!
Well this isn't a muscle car. Its a pony car. The G8 is a muscle car.

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I'm with you. I mean, I like manual transmissions but I know there are some guys out there who will want automatics because they want to be able to turn off the cool when they're in traffic. Expecting their paddle shifters to be like having their cake and eating it too. The manual will still have the control. Until they get a SMG trans it won't happen. But that's another story. And yeah, the V6 in the 350Z and G37 are both good engines and in those cars they'll get through the traps in low 13s or so. So yeah, if I were going to get a V6 car I'd get one of those too.
I want a manual, but sadly due to a recurring knee injury that doesn't seem to be as temporary as I thought it would be it looks like I'll have to go with the automatic. At least the paddle shifters partially make up for it. As it is even driving an automatic for a few hours will make my knee get pretty stiff and sore.

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You really think so? I am the same age as you and I would wait if I knew you could get a DCT in the Camaro. I just don't see it though since GM hasn't even rolled them out in Cadillac's yet.
Well it isn't anything near confirmed, but a number of sources have sustained rumors of a GM DCT in the near-ish future, and some leaked supplier documents seem to back that up. I would expect it to debut in a Cadillac and the Corvette, but I don't think the Camaro would be too far behind. As it is the Camaro is debuting with the most advanced powertrains GM currently offers to the public. They're not exactly skimping in that area.
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Well it isn't anything near confirmed, but a number of sources have sustained rumors of a GM DCT in the near-ish future, and some leaked supplier documents seem to back that up. I would expect it to debut in a Cadillac and the Corvette, but I don't think the Camaro would be too far behind. As it is the Camaro is debuting with the most advanced powertrains GM currently offers to the public. They're not exactly skimping in that area.
I will have to keep an eye out for news, if this is confirmed I will wait for this new rumored powertrain. I just hope offering the DCT doesn't raise the price.
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[QUOTE=stovt001;121019]Well this isn't a muscle car. Its a pony car. The G8 is a muscle car.

The Camaro name is known as what !?! A MUSCLE CAR!!!!! When I think of Mustang , Camaro , Firebird, GTO, Cutlass 442 these are Muscle cars I do not think of them as a 4 banger or a 6 banger. I would not buy a V6 for a Muscle car! If I wanted a High performance V6 that camaro or any current American made car is not my first choice!

FYI the term PONYCAR was a nick name for the Ford Mustang!
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The 6 cyl engines. Both straight and V6's have been part of the Fbody legacy.

I doubt this car would even go into production if it was not for the lower priced V6 base.

In addition if you really want a V8 they will make you one so it's not like when you go in the chevy salesman will hold you at gunpoint till you buy the V6.
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The whole reason I want a V8 is that burble and the low-end torque. Those things are what really excite me about a car. The 6cyl sounds like a great option, and yes my perception about it has changed since the numbers came out, but it still isn't what I want in MY Camaro.
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Well this isn't a muscle car. Its a pony car. The G8 is a muscle car.

The Camaro name is known as what !?! A MUSCLE CAR!!!!! When I think of Mustang , Camaro , Firebird, GTO, Cutlass 442 these are Muscle cars I do not think of them as a 4 banger or a 6 banger. I would not buy a V6 for a Muscle car! If I wanted a High performance V6 that camaro or any current American made car is not my first choice!

FYI the term PONYCAR was a nick name for the Ford Mustang!
Sorry, actually pony car is the term for the sporty RWD compact coupes, including the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger, as well as the original Cougar, the Barracuda, and some other debatable ones. And they've always been primarily V6 powered, with V8 options legendary with the enthusiasts, but not the primary sales drivers.
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Well this isn't a muscle car. Its a pony car. The G8 is a muscle car.

The Camaro name is known as what !?! A MUSCLE CAR!!!!! When I think of Mustang , Camaro , Firebird, GTO, Cutlass 442 these are Muscle cars I do not think of them as a 4 banger or a 6 banger. I would not buy a V6 for a Muscle car! If I wanted a High performance V6 that camaro or any current American made car is not my first choice!

FYI the term PONYCAR was a nick name for the Ford Mustang!
The term: Ponycar has been used for 40+ years to refer to Camaro, Cuda, Challenger, Cougar, Mustang, Firebird, AMX (Javelin), etc.... Musclecar has refered to Charger, Road Runner, Chevelle... etc
both pony and muscle cars have had SIX cylinder engines in the base cars... V6s came after the early horsepower wars of the 60s and early 70s.
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