Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
HRE Wheels
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-20-2009, 08:19 PM   #1
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Cam Headers Intake Tune 446 RWHP 430 RWTQ

9PM just got off the dyno.

We just finished a Cam, Pushrod, Trunion, Valve spring, Retainer, Seal, cam gear, All Comp Cams except the gear.

Also Dynatech Headers and cats in to existing Corsa cat back, topped off by a Rotofab intake.

I tuned this one with HP Tuners on the Superflow, Spent a lot of time on Idle quality, Startup, throttle response, this is a pretty big cam, I will let Tim fill you guys in on the specs, if he wants to

The Results Best Pull 446 RWHP, 430 RWTQ.

Here is a dyno sheet with this car layed over another strong car with 377 RWHP 382 RWTQ for comparison.
Attached Images
 
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2009, 08:53 PM   #2
Andro
NOICE!!! ™
 
Andro's Avatar
 
Drives: Force Fed 427
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: GOT BOOST?
Posts: 5,221
Noice LS3 or L99?
__________________
Andro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2009, 10:04 PM   #3
COBRA CAMANDER
 
COBRA CAMANDER's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 camaro SS
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Portsmouth VA
Posts: 179
Flippin sweet! I can't wait to bang some gears, and punish those back tires. I think I need to get a video camera so you y'all can here it. Hell, I can't wait to hear it!
COBRA CAMANDER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2009, 10:11 PM   #4
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post
9PM just got off the dyno.

We just finished a Cam, Pushrod, Trunion, Valve spring, Retainer, Seal, cam gear, All Comp Cams except the gear.

Also Dynatech Headers and cats in to existing Corsa cat back, topped off by a Rotofab intake.

I tuned this one with HP Tuners on the Superflow, Spent a lot of time on Idle quality, Startup, throttle response, this is a pretty big cam, I will let Tim fill you guys in on the specs, if he wants to

The Results Best Pull 446 RWHP, 430 RWTQ.

Here is a dyno sheet with this car layed over another strong car with 377 RWHP 382 RWTQ for comparison.
looks good Ted...just a question...you said it was a pretty big cam ...any idea why lg motorsports g6x3 with the same supporting mods get to 495hp? 50whp more? while having a similar (5whp lower) baseline???Its just an observation...how much bigger can you truly go?
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 07:21 AM   #5
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_desmo View Post
looks good Ted...just a question...you said it was a pretty big cam ...any idea why lg motorsports g6x3 with the same supporting mods get to 495hp? 50whp more? while having a similar (5whp lower) baseline???Its just an observation...how much bigger can you truly go?
First Customer Researched and selected the Cam.

Second, I would be very sceptical of a Claim Like that, I have been building engines since 1979 If you can find 20 hp with one good cam over another already strong cam your doing great.

As I stated above, I pulled a Sheet from a Very Strong Stocker I had on file, I don't know what the Baseline of this particular car is, but I would expect it to be in the 370s.

Cam, headers and cold air kit does not Gain 115 RWHP Sorry I have to call

What is most impressive is the Broad torque curve, I suppose If I Spun the Motor another 1000 RPM with an even Bigger Cam I could find More hp, BUT at what expense of torque where you drive most.

I am confident that Tim will Be happy with this combo.

Besides it Sounds cool.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 08:08 AM   #6
Matt TuneTime

 
Drives: 2008 G8 gt / 2010 Camaro L99
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 198
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_desmo View Post
looks good Ted...just a question...you said it was a pretty big cam ...any idea why lg motorsports g6x3 with the same supporting mods get to 495hp? 50whp more? while having a similar (5whp lower) baseline???Its just an observation...how much bigger can you truly go?
No it's just how much dyno's vary ...

Nice Job JANNETTY ... That car should move out nice , A good DD
Matt TuneTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 09:30 AM   #7
SS/LS3
 
Drives: 2010 ss
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: cincinnati
Posts: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post
First Customer Researched and selected the Cam.

Second, I would be very sceptical of a Claim Like that, I have been building engines since 1979 If you can find 20 hp with one good cam over another already strong cam your doing great.

As I stated above, I pulled a Sheet from a Very Strong Stocker I had on file, I don't know what the Baseline of this particular car is, but I would expect it to be in the 370s.

Cam, headers and cold air kit does not Gain 115 RWHP Sorry I have to call

What is most impressive is the Broad torque curve, I suppose If I Spun the Motor another 1000 RPM with an even Bigger Cam I could find More hp, BUT at what expense of torque where you drive most.

I am confident that Tim will Be happy with this combo.

Besides it Sounds cool.
Im with you on this. A nice torque curve is better than peak HP for a street car.
SS/LS3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 09:56 AM   #8
SGOS252382


 
SGOS252382's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: S.W. Florida
Posts: 6,106
On my LS2 GTO, I made 95 rwhp with a custom cam from flowtech http://www.flowtechinduction.com/, full exhaust, intake, tune.

This was also a pretty conservative cam and had excellent street manners.

So you can make impressive gains with just a cam, exhaust, intake, and tune.
__________________
SGOS252382 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 10:38 AM   #9
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Heres another car that picked 64whp adding only g6x3 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/L...Cam_153920.htm it looks like its most probably the most widely used big cam in the vette world (and i think comp cam grind them too. )
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 11:39 AM   #10
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_desmo View Post
Heres another car that picked 64whp adding only g6x3 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/L...Cam_153920.htm it looks like its most probably the most widely used big cam in the vette world (and i think comp cam grind them too. )
Definatley hurting in the torque department in exchange for HP at 6500.

See the big dip in the torque curve where it almost the same as stock.

I don't like it.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 11:57 AM   #11
SGOS252382


 
SGOS252382's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: S.W. Florida
Posts: 6,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post
Definatley hurting in the torque department in exchange for HP at 6500.

See the big dip in the torque curve where it almost the same as stock.

I don't like it.
That dyno graph does look pretty nasty. Looks like it made good HP up top but that's about it. Down low, it didn't do much HP/TQ.
__________________
SGOS252382 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 12:15 PM   #12
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by SGOS252382 View Post
On my LS2 GTO, I made 95 rwhp with a custom cam from flowtech http://www.flowtechinduction.com/, full exhaust, intake, tune.

This was also a pretty conservative cam and had excellent street manners.

So you can make impressive gains with just a cam, exhaust, intake, and tune.
There was a Pretty significant gain in power on the GTOs just from Tuning alone, typically 20-25 GM did not leave us that much room on the Camaros typically 10-15.

The Same goes for the GTO Headers exhaust, and Cold air intakes Bigger gains than from Camaro same mods.

Typically Cams Alone are good for 20-40 RWHP if all supporting mods are already in place and require custom tuning to take advantage of the cam so probably less.

No significant Cam Can be installed without a tune so Who Really knows.

Again Don't Look At the Peak Gain Look at the Torque Curve that is what you feel from the drivers seat and gets you down the 1/4 mile the fastest.

Ted.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 01:58 PM   #13
Anthony @ LG Motorsports


 
Anthony @ LG Motorsports's Avatar
 
Drives: 1994 1LE / 2006 Z51 Corvette
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 2,226
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_desmo View Post
...any idea why lg motorsports g6x3 with the same supporting mods get to 495hp? 50whp more? while having a similar (5whp lower) baseline???Its just an observation...how much bigger can you truly go?
It is about the entire package, everything in the engine has to work together.

The G6X3 has proven itself in Corvette's for close to 2 years now at our shops and others.

The Camaro you see on here with that cam was all customer installed and tuned. It was not done here, we just supplied the parts.
Anthony @ LG Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 02:05 PM   #14
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony @ LG Motorsports View Post
It is about the entire package, everything in the engine has to work together.

The G6X3 has proven itself in Corvette's for close to 2 years now at our shops and others.

The Camaro you see on here with that cam was all customer installed and tuned. It was not done here, we just supplied the parts.
g6x3 is the king of cams for the ls3 in my opinion for the people looking for max na power on a 376ci engine...really nice...
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 03:44 PM   #15
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony @ LG Motorsports View Post
It is about the entire package, everything in the engine has to work together.

The G6X3 has proven itself in Corvette's for close to 2 years now at our shops and others.

The Camaro you see on here with that cam was all customer installed and tuned. It was not done here, we just supplied the parts.
Don't take this personal because it is not, I am sure it is a fine cam if all your looking for is a dyno queen, the big dip in the torque curve is unacceptable IMPO

I have been building engines and drag racing since 1979 and a smaller cam with stronger torque curve will always out accelerate a big cam with low torque.

Especially for anything driven on the street Acceleration is what it is all about.

Kind of like a Positive displacement VS Centrifugal, Torque is a Blast to drive.

I am sure your line of cams are fine and I am sure you have something more Street oriented that does not give up much HP but makes a stronger torque curve.

There are only so many lobes to choose from

Ted.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 04:18 PM   #16
Sam88gta1
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS / 2006 CC Duramax
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rowlett
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post
Don't take this personal because it is not, I am sure it is a fine cam if all your looking for is a dyno queen, the big dip in the torque curve is unacceptable IMPO

I have been building engines and drag racing since 1979 and a smaller cam with stronger torque curve will always out accelerate a big cam with low torque.

Especially for anything driven on the street Acceleration is what it is all about.

Kind of like a Positive displacement VS Centrifugal, Torque is a Blast to drive.

I am sure your line of cams are fine and I am sure you have something more Street oriented that does not give up much HP but makes a stronger torque curve.

There are only so many lobes to choose from

Ted.
If the torque curve is bad in low rpms why did OrangeChevyII run so fast with this cam after the car bogs to 3000 rpm off the line? You say the tq at that RPM is unacceptable yet it produces 1.61 60ft times where as the stock cam was only able to produce 1.68. If it is unacceptable IYPO the car wouldnt be able to pull itself out of 3k rpm and run 11.29@121 NA. The car is in 1st gear the first 120ft down the track.Half of that distance (60ft) would be below 4k rpm where you "dont like it".
You do know you are only below 5k rpm the first 130ish feet of a 1320ft racetrack right? The car will never see below 5k rpm the other 1190 ft. That is where the peak power really shines and produces NA times a full half second faster than anyone else out there running NA "cam only".For that matter its faster than the heads cam cars. Only ONE NA car is close to the times this G6X3 with its sloppy TQ curve!

It looks to me like you just need a reason why it makes 50 rwhp more.
If it were to make 525rwhp with heads on it would you call BS also?

Last edited by Sam88gta1; 11-21-2009 at 04:36 PM.
Sam88gta1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 05:41 PM   #17
rex113
 
rex113's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2ss silver/cyb
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: nj
Posts: 202
rex113 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 05:54 PM   #18
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
I like Janetty style; and so far they have been more then helfull for everybody. They are well informed etc...BUT they cant put down the best cam of the vette world (no its not only big talk...go on the corvette forums to see what its about....NUMEROUS NA 10 seconds cars without anything more then a set of headers ,this cam and drag radials. Its recognized as the best road racing cam too. http://www.youtube.com/user/OrangeCh.../2/tPH_vWePCNk
-stock with a tune vs lontubes with a tune
-longtubes, adm cai ,g6x3 and a tune...
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 05:56 PM   #19
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
look at the upside graph JANETTY because 340 foot pounds at 2050rpm is hardly bad. In fact its BETTER THEN STOCK. And how is almost 100whp at 6500rpm????
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 06:02 PM   #20
SGOS252382


 
SGOS252382's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: S.W. Florida
Posts: 6,106
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_desmo View Post
I like Janetty style; and so far they have been more then helfull for everybody. They are well informed etc...BUT they cant put down the best cam of the vette world (no its not only big talk...go on the corvette forums to see what its about....NUMEROUS NA 10 seconds cars without anything more then a set of headers ,this cam and drag radials. Its recognized as the best road racing cam too. http://www.youtube.com/user/OrangeCh.../2/tPH_vWePCNk
-stock with a tune vs lontubes with a tune
-longtubes, adm cai ,g6x3 and a tune...


How is that cam on the street? Or is it primarily a race cam?
Can that cam be used as a good daily driver cam?

Thanks
__________________
SGOS252382 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 06:09 PM   #21
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by SGOS252382 View Post
How is that cam on the street? Or is it primarily a race cam?
Can that cam be used as a good daily driver cam?

Thanks
on the corvette people put this cam on daily drivers and like it...a LOT depends on the tune with a cam. Do a search on youtube for g6x3 ...on www.digitalcorvettes.com and corvetteforum.com
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 06:16 PM   #22
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Well, I am glad I got everyone to talk it was getting too quiet around here.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 06:48 PM   #23
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post
Well, I am glad I got everyone to talk it was getting too quiet around here.
You certainly bring alot to the camaro5 forum!
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 07:00 PM   #24
JANNETTYRACING
PRESIDENT CALIBRATOR JRE

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: YELLOW 2013 ZL1 AUTO
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam88gta1 View Post
If the torque curve is bad in low rpms why did OrangeChevyII run so fast with this cam after the car bogs to 3000 rpm off the line? You say the tq at that RPM is unacceptable yet it produces 1.61 60ft times where as the stock cam was only able to produce 1.68. If it is unacceptable IYPO the car wouldnt be able to pull itself out of 3k rpm and run 11.29@121 NA. The car is in 1st gear the first 120ft down the track.Half of that distance (60ft) would be below 4k rpm where you "dont like it".
You do know you are only below 5k rpm the first 130ish feet of a 1320ft racetrack right? The car will never see below 5k rpm the other 1190 ft. That is where the peak power really shines and produces NA times a full half second faster than anyone else out there running NA "cam only".For that matter its faster than the heads cam cars. Only ONE NA car is close to the times this G6X3 with its sloppy TQ curve!

It looks to me like you just need a reason why it makes 50 rwhp more.
If it were to make 525rwhp with heads on it would you call BS also?
Oh, don't get your panties in bunch, Don't forget this it Typing, no Emotion hand gestures, or facial expression.

Since you brought it up a 1.6 anything 60 ft. in 121 mph car is sad, should be going high 1.4s if it had enough torque.

That would put the car in the 10s at 121.

Races are won in the first 60 ft.

Sorry If I seem a little partial to acceleration but my Sled goes 1.1s in 60 ft 4.9s at 140 in 660 ft. and my 73 Camaro goes 1.3s on the rear tires.

You see when I was 19 I had a cam that made big power but it would not 60 ft. so I learned.

All though it was good on the hard compound Pro Trac L-60-15s

Guys Please don't take offense it is all in good fun and discussion only.
__________________
Technical information, Parts Sales, Professional Installation, and Custom Dyno Tuning.
Please vist our web sites for all your performance needs!
Ted Jannetty
Jannetty Racing Ent Inc.
2984 East Main St.
Waterbury Ct. 06705
203-753-7223
tedj@jannettyracing.com
www.jannettyracing.com
www.turboaddictionparts.com
Performance Parts
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2009, 07:05 PM   #25
mr_desmo
Banned
 
Drives: beated up old mini austin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: north pole
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING View Post

1- Since you brought it up a 1.6 anything 60 ft. in 121 mph car is sad

PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

Guys Please don't take offense it is all in good fun and discussion only.
all in good fun
mr_desmo is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Official 1/4 Mile (V8) 2010+ Camaro Fast List Merc Dragstrip and Launch Techniques Discussion 2562 Today 05:20 PM
V8 Camaro Performance Upgrades List Milk 1027 Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 85 11-11-2013 12:48 PM
LS3 CAM AND HEADERS DYNO ADM PERFORMANCE Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 49 10-11-2011 10:00 AM
ADM Stage 1 CAM - No tune required ADM PERFORMANCE Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 61 06-09-2010 06:00 PM
Fastlane Stage II Camaro w/ LTs, CAI, Exhaust, Tune & Cam = 460rwhp / 428 rwtq Dantheman Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons 124 10-17-2009 02:05 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.