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Pope Designs · 11-27-2009, 02:06 PM

I have done everything I can think of and have peaked out at 471. Below is a list of my mods. Am I missing something?

Headers & Cat Delete
3" Full Exhaust
Aggressive CAM
ADM CAI
FAST 102 Intake Manifold
Ported TB
C&C Ported Heads
Tune

I am sitting at 471 RWHP. I know a UD pulley will give me 5 or so but other than that I am stuck???

Bryan

toehead93 · 11-27-2009, 02:10 PM

What size cam, there are 500+rwhp G8s and Vettes out there.

lee · 11-27-2009, 02:30 PM

its not hp but gears would help

Tennessee Outlaw · 11-27-2009, 02:32 PM

Yep, 4.10 gears would give you the feeling of a lot more horsepower

BigMatt · 11-27-2009, 03:58 PM

NO2

Bobby @ LG Motorsports · 11-27-2009, 04:17 PM

yes, you can make 500 rwhp by milling the heads and going with a larger G6x3 cam. 510+ is achieveable with that setup.

Scott@Bjorn3D · 11-27-2009, 05:33 PM

Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there.

SGOS252382 · 11-27-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there.

He already has an ADM intake. I don't think a Vararam intake is going to make
29 rwhp more than the ADM intake.

Indpowr · 11-27-2009, 05:43 PM

Torque on here put down 496rwhp without N20 or FI

mr_desmo · 11-27-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there.

i bet you a vararam intake that a vararam wont make 30 whp more then a adm cai...this cai is only a urban legend...people have been waiting for it for what 6-7 mounths for it?

VADER SS L99 · 11-27-2009, 10:50 PM

I know of stock displacement ls1's that make 500rwhp with no power adder. They are using aftermarket casting heads but still I dont think those heads flow more than a ported ls3. I think the key is matching the correct part combo. What you really have to get right is they cam and tune for your combination. They cnc porting job on the heads is very important also. Have the intake and heads ported together and have someone who really knows what they are doing spec you out a cam. I dont see why with the displacement and head flow of the ls3 why these motors cant make 525+rwhp.

VADER SS L99 · 11-27-2009, 10:57 PM

It could also be a difference in dynos. 471rwhp on a mustang dyno is probably over 500 on another. I would say take it to the track and let your time be the judge. 500rwhp should trap between 125-127 in these cars.

silverfox · 11-28-2009, 03:25 PM

Try this

Pope Designs · 11-30-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there.

What is the deal with people thinking this is some kind of magic intake?
I just do not see what all the hype is about epically when they are not even filling orders after how long now?

Bryan

chappy48 · 11-30-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverfox

Try this

How do you get an 11.6, but only 113 mph??? Drag Radials? With that time you should be in the upper teens low 120's.

SGOS252382 · 11-30-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chappy48

How do you get an 11.6, but only 113 mph??? Drag Radials? With that time you should be in the upper teens low 120's.

(In addition to his power mods) -higher stall converter and drag radials (18'' wheels). That's coming from the drag racing thread.

JANNETTYRACING · 11-30-2009, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chappy48

How do you get an 11.6, but only 113 mph??? Drag Radials? With that time you should be in the upper teens low 120's.

Let off at the MPH cone before the finish cone.

matt55 · 12-01-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Designs

I have done everything I can think of and have peaked out at 471. Below is a list of my mods. Am I missing something?

Headers & Cat Delete
3" Full Exhaust
Aggressive CAM
ADM CAI
FAST 102 Intake Manifold
Ported TB
C&C Ported Heads
Tune

I am sitting at 471 RWHP. I know a UD pulley will give me 5 or so but other than that I am stuck???

Bryan

Procharger and sell the ADM intake or Whipple/Maggy and sell the FAST I.M.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chappy48

How do you get an 11.6, but only 113 mph??? Drag Radials? With that time you should be in the upper teens low 120's.

1.64 60's

boxmonkeyracing · 12-01-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Designs

I have done everything I can think of and have peaked out at 471. Below is a list of my mods. Am I missing something?

Headers & Cat Delete
3" Full Exhaust
Aggressive CAM
ADM CAI
FAST 102 Intake Manifold
Ported TB
C&C Ported Heads
Tune

I am sitting at 471 RWHP. I know a UD pulley will give me 5 or so but other than that I am stuck???

Bryan

visit RPM in garner. they will hook you up. Ryan's team can tune the hell out of those LS motors. and they know a few tricks too.

matt55 · 12-01-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

visit RPM in garner. they will hook you up. Ryan's team can tune the hell out of those LS motors. and they know a few tricks too.

They been doing he installs for him ..

oachalon · 12-01-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Designs

What is the deal with people thinking this is some kind of magic intake?
I just do not see what all the hype is about epically when they are not even filling orders after how long now?

Bryan

Pope Designs,

Scott was being sarcastic. He is making fun of some of the people that say the vararam is going to put up huge numbers.

2SSRS · 12-01-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oachalon

Pope Designs,

Scott was being sarcastic. He is making fun of some of the people that say the vararam is going to put up huge numbers.

I don't think he was, But let Scott come on back and tell us.

ZZcamaro · 12-01-2009, 09:50 PM

500 is very doable.

I am at 496 with my current setup, and it is very similar to yours. I do not even have my heads worked on yet...but I do have a slightly larger cam.

chappy48 · 12-01-2009, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Let off at the MPH cone before the finish cone.

Let off? What's that?

Everyone knows you run strong through the finish line in any type of race

v6sonoma · 12-02-2009, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there.

Does no one see he was joking here?

11-27-2009, 02:06 PM	#1
Pope Designs Drives: 2SS SIM 654! RWHP Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knightdale, NC Posts: 332	Do you think 500 RWHP is acheivable without forced induction? I have done everything I can think of and have peaked out at 471. Below is a list of my mods. Am I missing something? Headers & Cat Delete 3" Full Exhaust Aggressive CAM ADM CAI FAST 102 Intake Manifold Ported TB C&C Ported Heads Tune I am sitting at 471 RWHP. I know a UD pulley will give me 5 or so but other than that I am stuck??? Bryan

11-27-2009, 02:10 PM	#2
toehead93 Drives: 2010 SS, 1993 Z28 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 2,025 View My Garage	What size cam, there are 500+rwhp G8s and Vettes out there. __________________ 2SS A6 Black 360 RWHP/382 FTLBS - tune only Mods on: Dynatech LTs, Vararam Intake, Pedders Xa's, DiabloSport tuned

11-27-2009, 02:32 PM	#4
Tennessee Outlaw American Muscle Drives: 1969 SS/RS 396 Camaro 2006 S281 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Maryville TN Posts: 4	Yep, 4.10 gears would give you the feeling of a lot more horsepower __________________ 1969 Camaro SS/RS 396 2006 Saleen S281 Vert

11-27-2009, 03:58 PM	#5
BigMatt 2010 Camaro 2 SS/RS M6 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Landenberg, Pa Posts: 988 View My Garage	NO2 __________________ LS3, JRE Smooth Idle cam, CAI Inc, ARH 1 7/8, Corsa, MSD Wires, MGW Shifter, Street slayer clutch, Tick braided clutch line & speed bleeder, DSS 1000hp ds & 1400hp axles, BMR Split drop, Sway Bars, Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, Pro bushing kit, Spohn lcas, Whipple, LPE dual fuel pumps, Rx catch can, Id850s, Powerhaus Performance tuned.

11-27-2009, 04:17 PM	#6
Bobby @ LG Motorsports Drives: 03 Cobra Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Plano TX Posts: 91	yes, you can make 500 rwhp by milling the heads and going with a larger G6x3 cam. 510+ is achieveable with that setup. __________________ LG Motorsports 972-429-1963 bobby@lgmotorsports.com

11-27-2009, 02:30 PM	#3
lee Drives: 2010 2ss/rs Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 1,017	its not hp but gears would help

11-27-2009, 05:33 PM	#7
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 5,382	Throw a Vararam air intake on and tune it and you will probably be there. __________________

11-27-2009, 05:43 PM	#9
Indpowr Account Suspended Drives: Corvette C6 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 7,039 View My Garage	Torque on here put down 496rwhp without N20 or FI

11-27-2009, 10:50 PM	#11
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 1,805	I know of stock displacement ls1's that make 500rwhp with no power adder. They are using aftermarket casting heads but still I dont think those heads flow more than a ported ls3. I think the key is matching the correct part combo. What you really have to get right is they cam and tune for your combination. They cnc porting job on the heads is very important also. Have the intake and heads ported together and have someone who really knows what they are doing spec you out a cam. I dont see why with the displacement and head flow of the ls3 why these motors cant make 525+rwhp.

11-27-2009, 10:57 PM	#12
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 1,805	It could also be a difference in dynos. 471rwhp on a mustang dyno is probably over 500 on another. I would say take it to the track and let your time be the judge. 500rwhp should trap between 125-127 in these cars.

11-28-2009, 03:25 PM	#13
silverfox Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: portsmouth,va. Posts: 503 View My Garage	more hp Try this Attached Images

12-01-2009, 09:50 PM	#23
ZZcamaro Drives: 2SS w/ ZZ427 Package!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,708	500 is very doable. I am at 496 with my current setup, and it is very similar to yours. I do not even have my heads worked on yet...but I do have a slightly larger cam.

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