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Old 07-28-2008, 07:45 PM   #26
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Just seems like an opportunity to take advantage of people.
What a douche!
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:02 PM   #27
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This Crap really ticks me off if youve got one doing it, tomorrow theyll be 30 and before you know it were all gonna be waiting a yr to get one because of supply and demand. It really pisses me off these people take adantage of a new product to make a buck when in the long run its gonna hurt GMs sells. Now well see markups of 5-10000 on the stickers at first launch because word travels (hey these people are selling them for 10000 markup we cant get that) if this happens ill be so pissed, as if we havent waited for the Camaro long enough,
Maybe...but doubtful. There's enough dealerships with real enthusiasts behind the desk (at least one has already chimed in on this thread, and I know there's more around here). Your average joe-schmoe off the street will probably be screwed, I'll give you that. But, unfortunately in this capitalist society (though we're stretching it lately) it's expected.
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I say we put up a bulliten about which Car dealers are Selling a spot on ebay so people dont deal with those car lots, GM should send there Camaros to other Car dealers for doing crap like that. I thought price gouging was against the law wouldnt that be considered that or am i wrong,
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Q: It's awesome that you were able to get this contract! How much is your reserve? When will the car be available? Jul-28-08
A: Thanks, the contract is a one-of-a-kind as far as I know. My reserve is set very reasonable seeing as I've already been offered $5000 cash for the contract. They're supposed to start building the car in February. By purchasing this contract, you could probably have your car by March or April. Without the contract you'll be lucky to get one at all for the first 9 months unless you're willing to pay 10K or more extra.
Q: This is a total scam and I've reported this to ebay. You have nothing to sell and you should be ashamed for taking advantage of people. Jul-28-08
A: I'm sorry you don't understand the auction. I am selling a legally binding assignment contract, which is actually personal property capable of being bought and sold. Feel free to report this to ebay as it is a legitimate auction and does not violate any rules. For those of you who understand the auction, and want to own the first 2010 Camaro, bid away!
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WOW he is getting the FIRST 2010 camaro. NICE. lol be shocked when he doesn't recieve the first one.
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I say we put up a bulliten about which Car dealers are Selling a spot on ebay so people dont deal with those car lots, GM should send there Camaros to other Car dealers for doing crap like that. I thought price gouging was against the law wouldnt that be considered that or am i wrong,
If this is the right dealership then maybe you can let them know that this guy is selling something he doesnt have.

It gives him the right to buy one of the first cars that come along, Hell it could be a v6 base model.
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First of all they say own the First Camaro, and second they say march-april you should be able to find one by then even if you have to travel to get one i wish we could spam them like you can on craigslist. By the way has anybodylisted one on craigslist like ebay,
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I just emailed the dealership lol.
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Someone is selling the right to one of the first Camaros that come out to your dealership. by the understanding most of us have is if the contract is not in the buyers name (the person buying it off of ebay) then they have no right to the camaro. am I right?

Also, Since this guy is selling the rights on ebay, you guys are not making any money on the car, he is making more. Alot of us are thinking this is a scam & he is using your dealership to insight this scam.

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Without the contract you'll be lucky to get one at all for the first 9 months unless you're willing to pay 10K or more extra.
What a shameless b.s. artist this dude is! And where exactly did he learn this "9 month" & "$10k or more extra" business? Oh, right, he pulled it right out of his @$$.
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At the end of the third paragraph is says "The Buyer will pay the remaining balance in full on the day of taking delivery of the car"

Hmm.... I think the dealer should hold him to the contract
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I don't know if the bids are legitimate. Check out the bidders:
Bidder Bid Amount Bid Time
r***o( 0 ) US $4,185.07
Jul-28-08 05:32:57 PDT

4***4( 122Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $4,135.07
Jul-27-08 06:22:41 PDT

r***o( 0 ) US $4,100.00
Jul-27-08 07:14:49 PDT

r***o( 0 ) US $3,000.00
Jul-26-08 2059 PDT

o***o( 80Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $1,025.00
Jul-26-08 14:52:15 PDT

t***e( 160Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $1,000.00
Jul-24-08 11:31:42 PDT

r***o( 0 ) US $1,000.00
Jul-25-08 15:24:11 PDT

r***o( 0 ) US $900.00
Jul-25-08 12:45:48 PDT

r***o( 0 ) US $700.00
Jul-25-08 08:24:01 PDT

r***r( 75Feedback score is 50 to 99) US $200.00
Jul-24-08 19:28:54 PDT
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yea he's prob bumping the bid to get it to his 10k mark at the least.
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Wow I just called the dealer and asked him about the contracts thing. and yes they are selling them but the salesman i talked to seemed really pissed that the guy has been calling time and time again about the car only to be pawning the contract off to someone else.
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yea he's prob bumping the bid to get it to his 10k mark at the least.

You can't bump Ebay bids, they have what is called automatic bidding...

Let's say the starting bid is $1.00
Jack bids $100.00 as a max bid (the bid will look like $1.50 or so)
and Bob bids $20.00
Ebay will then bid on behalf of Jack $20.50
Then say Bob bids again $50.00
Ebay will once again bid for Jack up to his $100.00 max bid

But, when you look at the bids, Ebay doesn't show the automatic bids, so it looks like Bob was bidding against himself...

Start- $1.00
Bob-$20.00
Bob-$50.00
And so on.

There's a button you can hit that'll show the automatic bids.
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You can't bump Ebay bids, they have what is called automatic bidding...

Let's say the starting bid is $1.00
Jack bids $100.00 as a max bid (the bid will look like $1.50 or so)
and Bob bids $20.00
Ebay will then bid on behalf of Jack $20.50
Then say Bob bids again $50.00
Ebay will once again bid for Jack up to his $100.00 max bid

But, when you look at the bids, Ebay doesn't show the automatic bids, so it looks like Bob was bidding against himself...

Start- $1.00
Bob-$20.00
Bob-$50.00
And so on.

There's a button you can hit that'll show the automatic bids.

I think what he's suggesting is that 'Bob' is actually the seller, running 'Jack' up...
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I think what he's suggesting is that 'Bob' is actually the seller, running 'Jack' up...
Hmm...

I think you're right... r***o, has never bid on anything before, or at least not anything in the last 30 days... If the buyer and seller are one in the same, that could get the seller kicked off Ebay, if one could prove it.
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Question sent to the Seller:

"Nothing in your contract states about the transferability of the contract. Please post a statement from the dealer showing that this contract is able to be transferred."
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Report of Fraudulent Auction sent to Ebay:

"Fraudulent description. Seller claims to be selling the First Camaro of the new generation. He is in fact selling the "contract" to buy the first one from a select dealer. No way of insuring that this Camaro from this dealer is the "first" new Camaro. Seller also states that no other dealers are offering contracts like these when in fact 90% of dealers I have talked to are doing deposit contracts on the car. A CLEAR scam to entice bids. Seller also states "The people on these waiting lists are going to pay $10,000 - $20,000 over sticker price to get their camaros." Plenty of dealers are selling at MSRP. I am on such a list. Another clear false claim to entice bids. There is no mention of transferability of the contract so the seller may in fact be selling an item that he cannot transfer to the buyer. Please remove this item as a protection to your members."
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Message sent to dealer:

"Ebay Item #230274733725 is one of your contracts up for bid for the new Camaro. This customer of yours seems to be trying to scam any poor sap willing to pay him for his contract with yall. This will only put the name of your dealership in a poor light. I do not know the legalities of you contractual agreements but if you are able i would suggest you contact him and not allow him to transfer the contract, especially under these conditions. He makes several false claims in his description and is making your dealership look like it is out to scam people. Thanks for your time."
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Ha. Sittin in the desert without much to do tonight. Thought i should make good use of my time. :-)

I would encourage everyone to go to the bottom of the listing and report it as fraudulent to Ebay. Hopefully they shut it down before it ends.

Now i would feel bad for this guy if he does in fact have an "Inoperable brain tumor" (see the full questions and answers) and will use the proceeds from this to pay some medical bills, but come on. Walks like a duck. Quacks like a duck. Its a scam.

Disclaimer: Sir, If you do have an "inoperable brain tumor", I do apologize and wish you well, but i still do not approve of this auction.
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