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Old 12-22-2009, 05:25 PM   #51
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Instead of thinking 'Afterburner', think 'Eclipse'.

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Old 12-22-2009, 05:39 PM   #52
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I don't have one to play with but it looks like there are three parts to the housing. The reflective can, the clear diffuser, and the red lense. Has anyone tried taking the light apart and spraying a tailight tinting paint over the clear diffuser, masking off a quarter inch around the bottom half circle. This would slow the light through the center but allow it to shine though around the edges. Might not be as dramatic as LEDs or completely blacking out the center. Sorry I don't have any cool photoshop programs to show what I am talking about.
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The diffuser is normally part of the lens, molded on the inside.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:16 PM   #55
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I was using this picture for reference from an older post. It appears that the clear diffuser sits in about .5 to 1 inch seperate from the red lense.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:17 PM   #56
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I was too slow posting that one. Thanks 2SSRS.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:35 PM   #57
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For what its worth, I just pulled out the bulb and tested it.

The 3157 bulb is dual filament. The outer filament is used for the tail light. The center is used for the brake lights, hazards, and turn signals.

The bulb is setup how you want it, but the reflection lights up the whole housing.

What I am thinking is that you need is a way to get the light to shine down for the tail light, and then a way to get the brake light to shine outward.

The best way I can think of to accomplish this is to split the dual filament bulb into two bulbs, and put a reflector inbetween them. Use a 3156 bulb for the brake light, and a 194 bulb for the tail light.

Maybe use a 3156 Stealth Bulb along with the 194, as the chrome coating of the brake light may help diffuse the light to the outer ring.
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Thank you that is what i did a long time ago, look at this part i made, I have one more thing better LED's that are closer.
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Thank you for the nice words, Look at this pic and you can see that the concept has a trapezoidal shape, The thing i did that you are saying is to small is as big as i can go, There is no more room in the tail light hosing.
your concept looks good, but the concept car does NOT have a trapezoid. you drew a trapezoid inside the concept car's semi-circle light. you should try to make it rounded like the concept. the sharp angles ruin the look IMO.
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3 piece, cool! Bolteon is headed in the right direction I think.

Someone try blacking out the center like he did, only black out the ridges as well as the honeycombs. Aluminum foil on the back side for more reflectance. If that gives an eclipse effect then it's half way there
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:31 PM   #61
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Thank you that is what i did a long time ago, look at this part i made, I have one more thing better LED's that are closer.
I can't wait to see how that looks. I also see something in the other picture of the housing.

Is that circular part in the upper right corner a mounting bolt, or could you drill it out, and install another light in there?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:31 PM   #62
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3 piece, cool! Bolteon is headed in the right direction I think.

Someone try blacking out the center like he did, only black out the ridges as well as the honeycombs. Aluminum foil on the back side for more reflectance. If that gives an eclipse effect then it's half way there
well described with the eclipse...
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well described with the eclipse...
Thankie

If that works, the rest may work as well, but it'll get expensive... Imagine a 2nd can (the half moon) between the lenses, and butted up to the outer lens.

How much does 400 3mm red LED's cost?
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your concept looks good, but the concept car does NOT have a trapezoid. you drew a trapezoid inside the concept car's semi-circle light. you should try to make it rounded like the concept. the sharp angles ruin the look IMO.
It may be me but i see a trapezoid inside not a round after you hit the bake light.

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Hi There, Mark in NY here. I have done custom lighting for years and I have to say that "Thinking Eclipse" is mostly the solution.
A shield in the main tail light will give the desired effect but blocks the taillight under bracking. Further your thinking and place an LED board ON the shield and connect to the stock brake input. This brings the neccesary functions to the front of the line and gives the afterburner effect from the back.
Star warning in Avon NY uses a similar design called "M" tech technology for thier lightbars, I've done it for years with old areodynic and jet stream bars before that.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:01 PM   #66
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Thankie

If that works, the rest may work as well, but it'll get expensive... Imagine a 2nd can (the half moon) between the lenses, and butted up to the outer lens.

How much does 400 3mm red LED's cost?
You might be joking, but $156
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One last thought as well, for the real do it yourselfer....there is a high intensity "Generic" led kit available in the street rod magazines, it will work well for this application. Now if you really are on your game, wire your parking (afterburner) bulb to a potentiometer at the throttle pedal.
Low throttle= low light and increasing it will gradually increase the brightness....WORKING AFTERBURNER!!!
Heres a light panel thats close, a little modification and your in!!

http://www.streetrodhq.com/detail/19...CAR_TRUCK.html
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Take a look at the blown-up image of the concept tail attached. There is clearly a separate part for the center that looks to be smaller than the production lens.
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No, I figured it would be higher...
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One last thought as well, for the real do it yourselfer....there is a high intensity "Generic" led kit available in the street rod magazines, it will work well for this application. Now if you really are on your game, wire your parking (afterburner) bulb to a potentiometer at the throttle pedal.
Low throttle= low light and increasing it will gradually increase the brightness....WORKING AFTERBURNER!!!
Heres a light panel thats close, a little modification and your in!!

http://www.streetrodhq.com/detail/19...CAR_TRUCK.html
I like that idea
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:03 PM   #70
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Hi There, Mark in NY here. I have done custom lighting for years and I have to say that "Thinking Eclipse" is mostly the solution.
A shield in the main tail light will give the desired effect but blocks the taillight under bracking. Further your thinking and place an LED board ON the shield and connect to the stock brake input. This brings the neccesary functions to the front of the line and gives the afterburner effect from the back.
Star warning in Avon NY uses a similar design called "M" tech technology for thier lightbars, I've done it for years with old areodynic and jet stream bars before that.
Good luck.
I think you got it. I kept thinking of using LED, or a smaller bulb for the afterburner, when all you really have to do it put the LED's as the brake light. Use the 3156 bulb in the socket you have and wire up the LED's in front of it as the brake light.

You get the eclipse and the board that the LED's are attached would provide the light for the brake light.

I may have a 3156 bulb in the garage I'll put it in one of the light housings and see if it works with the tail or the brake light.
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I think you got it. I kept thinking of using LED, or a smaller bulb for the afterburner, when all you really have to do it put the LED's as the brake light. Use the 3156 bulb in the socket you have and wire up the LED's in front of it as the brake light.

You get the eclipse and the board that the LED's are attached would provide the light for the brake light.

I may have a 3156 bulb in the garage I'll put it in one of the light housings and see if it works with the tail or the brake light.
been saying that all along....


and just so you guys know, if i remember correctly there wasn't just one version of the rear tail lights built for the concept car... it was a stage of different attempts to see if they could feasibly (read: cost effectivly) build out the led set or mimik it close enough. thus the multiple versions and the question of trapazoid (it's actually the bulb idea just like in the production version in that pic you keep referencing) or half moon (original led array).
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Instead of thinking 'Afterburner', think 'Eclipse'.

The "eclipse" is what I am thinking.

The mock up I did was about 3 layers of window tint placed on the outside of the tail light just to see if it would give me a look I am trying to achieve. It blocks most of the light until the brake is pressed, then the light shines through pretty bright.

I have a long weekend and may take apart one of my tail lights to play around with it. I would really like to have a spare to play with, but I will have to order one. I haven't given up on this project yet. I will be happy if I can get something close.

I can't believe the ass end of my car made the Home page of the site.
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been saying that all along....


and just so you guys know, if i remember correctly there wasn't just one version of the rear tail lights built for the concept car... it was a stage of different attempts to see if they could feasibly (read: cost effectivly) build out the led set or mimik it close enough. thus the multiple versions and the question of trapazoid (it's actually the bulb idea just like in the production version in that pic you keep referencing) or half moon (original led array).
Yes you did, and you deserve the credit on that one. Great Job. The eclipse sounds like the best way to go and use LED lights for the brake light/turn.
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wouldn't it be easy to tint the clear plastic piece with some nightshade spray?

leave the bottom unsprayed and it will give you the eclipse look.
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wouldn't it be easy to tint the clear plastic piece with some nightshade spray?

leave the bottom unsprayed and it will give you the eclipse look.
That is exactly what I'm thinking. That's why I tried it with the window tint first just to see if it would give me the effect I was looking for. I'm also think about changing out the clear lens to a piece of plexiglas and maybe getting it further up into the housing.
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