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Old 12-15-2009, 04:56 PM   #1
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The all mightY Z?

I have been reading a few of these threads about the Z28 from time to time and I get the feeling that some people think that the Z28 should be supercharged, better engine, and all around better car. If we look back, the Z's have not necessarily been equipped with better engines, only a lighter body and better suspension. I'm just curious where the idea of the LS9 being in the Z28 is coming from. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of let down people out there. But truly, that is what the Z in chevy vehicles stands for....better suspension, or sport suspension. Nothing to do with the motor. Now, let the responses fly.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:10 PM   #2
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I have been reading a few of these threads about the Z28 from time to time and I get the feeling that some people think that the Z28 should be supercharged, better engine, and all around better car. If we look back, the Z's have not necessarily been equipped with better engines, only a lighter body and better suspension. I'm just curious where the idea of the LS9 being in the Z28 is coming from. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of let down people out there. But truly, that is what the Z in chevy vehicles stands for....better suspension, or sport suspension. Nothing to do with the motor. Now, let the responses fly.
I think it comes from the fact there isn't a GT500 fighter. and just like the SS monikar has changed over time why can't the Z28 mean bad assery. for most the SS is a watered down trademark. the Z28 isn't.

as for the LS9/lsa supercharged talk. That started with the whole talk of a mule running around with a supercharged engine. way back before the camaro ever started production. but we didn't know what the current line up was going to be SS or Z28 being the base v-8. since the SS is the base V-8 in the current line up it makes sense the Z28 would be an upper level now.

as for the comments about better suspension and wot not. the 1969 z28 had a high revving motor (which in some peoples mind is better). it was puttind down well north of 300 hp. and tuned for the trans am series of racing. so that could also make it "better." The could also mean it's a better over all car then the SS because of the suspension and motor combo. which would still lend creedence to the Z28 being a bad ass supercharged v-8.

either way the main reason I see the Z28 being a supercharged lsa is the GT500 fighter senerio. makes sense from a marketing standpoint. at least to me.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:53 PM   #3
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I have been reading a few of these threads about the Z28 from time to time and I get the feeling that some people think that the Z28 should be supercharged, better engine, and all around better car. If we look back, the Z's have not necessarily been equipped with better engines, only a lighter body and better suspension. I'm just curious where the idea of the LS9 being in the Z28 is coming from. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of let down people out there. But truly, that is what the Z in chevy vehicles stands for....better suspension, or sport suspension. Nothing to do with the motor. Now, let the responses fly.

Hmmmm, perhaps you might want to go back and re-read the history of the Z/28, particularly the first gens. Lighter body? Never happened in '67-'69, the Z/28 used the same body as every other Camaro. Better engines? That is a matter of preference. In '69 I could have traded my '67 RS Camaro for a SS350 or SS396, I felt that the high revving 302 Z/28 was the better engine choice and so I bought a Z/28. The larger cubic inch engines of the SS350 and SS396 did not necessarily mean they were better engines, just bigger than the Z/28 302. Better suspension? Here I would agree, the '67-'69 Z/28 had a far better suspension than the SS, the Z/28 was after all a production version of Chevy's SCCA Trans Am race car. I actually would prefer a new Z/28 NOT get the LSA or LS7/9, but if Chevy releases a new Z/28, they will be making that decision, not me.
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Old 12-15-2009, 06:05 PM   #4
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I argued this same point for a long time and got flamed for it repeatedly. Here is a thread where I collected my thoughts.
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Old 12-16-2009, 12:07 AM   #5
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I'd prefer the LS7 but the logic behind having the supercharged engine is to ensure that the Z28 is the best performer in every regard (besides fuel economy)
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Old 12-16-2009, 12:19 AM   #6
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I have been reading a few of these threads about the Z28 from time to time and I get the feeling that some people think that the Z28 should be supercharged, better engine, and all around better car. If we look back, the Z's have not necessarily been equipped with better engines, only a lighter body and better suspension. I'm just curious where the idea of the LS9 being in the Z28 is coming from. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of let down people out there. But truly, that is what the Z in chevy vehicles stands for....better suspension, or sport suspension. Nothing to do with the motor. Now, let the responses fly.
Here is what is wrong with the Z/28 should be only a track oriented vehicle.

The guidelines you are going to by to build the Z/28 are long gone. The only reason why the Z/28 had a smaller engine (FYI, a couple sources dyno'd the 302 and actually got around 400 HP out of it. It was the more powerful engine, just not the biggest) is because of Trans Am racing series rules. So here is the question: Why abide by rules that no one else abides by? The Z/28 no longer has to be the road track vehicle, it can finally become the full-fledged powerhouse it deserves to be.

Plus, like it or not, the Z/28 will compete with the GT500. In order to beat the car in the 1/4 you'll need an engine that is capable of achieving 530 HP, while maintaing affordability. The best engine that fits these two requirements, as of right now, would be the LSA.
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I just want to see a factory supercharged Camaro, make a SS Supercharged for 2011.
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:38 AM   #10
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Why not offer a Camaro with a TT V6, LS/7, LSA, LS/9 and badge them whatever you want. The marketing possibilities would drive the public in just to see them. Maybe that would even get the car a movie role.?
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Why not offer a Camaro with a TT V6, LS/7, LSA, LS/9 and badge them whatever you want. The marketing possibilities would drive the public in just to see them. Maybe that would even get the car a movie role.?
Well you'd have some guy with his TT V6 badge it a ZL1, and the other with an LS9 badge it a SS lol.
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Why not offer a Camaro with a TT V6, LS/7, LSA, LS/9 and badge them whatever you want. The marketing possibilities would drive the public in just to see them. Maybe that would even get the car a movie role.?
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Old 12-16-2009, 12:34 PM   #13
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The Z has always has a high HP engine up until the last the 6 years of Camaro production. From the DZ302 to the LT-1 350 and the TPI 350 of the IROC-Z. Z has always meant performance to the Camaro.
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Why not offer a Camaro with a TT V6, LS/7, LSA, LS/9 and badge them whatever you want. The marketing possibilities would drive the public in just to see them. Maybe that would even get the car a movie role.?
I'll tell you why GM cannot do any of those options yet.

GM, while presenting the Jay Leno TTV6 at SEMA, has not been known to be testing such a setup on the track. Without proper testing, any TTV6 would have catastrophic failures. GM must test this product if it is ever to be released. Besides, old school muscle car enthusiasts decry that this engine has 2 less cylinders than a traditional muscle car. I find this excuse closed-minded since people have no complaints about a GT-R V6 beating the Camaro or the Viper having a V10 rather than a V8. I'd like to see a TTV6 as the Z28, but I'm apparently in the minority.

The LS7 is on its way out. It is very expensive to build this engine, in part because it is built by hand. It only goes into the Z06. Adding the Camaro would spread the costs of this engine, but those benefits would have diminishing returns with the need for additional labor to build LS7s by hand. It is a great engine, but it is slated to go away. Why would GM go through the expensive process of research and development, tuning, and hiring labor for a product that will barely be in Camaros for a couple of years?

The LS9 is a high-performance engine. It fits the mold of a ZL1 better than a Z28. It is possible that GM has been researching the use of this engine, but there are no confirmations as yet.

The LSA is probably the best bet for a Z28 of the rumored engines. It doesn't make old school muscle car guys whine like a TTV6 does, and it has enough power to help it fit above the Super Sport on the hierarchy. I would prefer that GM simply offer a different tune or smaller displacement than the SS per tradition, a suspension package, and Z28 embroidery, saving the glory for a supercar Camaro rather than the Z28, but this option seems to appeal to the masses.
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