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Old 12-27-2009, 09:27 PM   #26
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:40 AM   #27
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
if the only thing really keeping you from buying a camaro now is the fact you have no idea about a Z28 or the possibility of an update. . .you will always be waiting. the ss as of now is the best you can get and in 2 years there will be something better. and 2 years from that quite possibly something better. it's a never ending cycle. you will have to bite the bullet and buy one eventually and it will end up being out done a few years from then. so buy now and get it over with, or wait forever. . .
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:59 AM   #28
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
Well, nobody can answer. Anyone who knows has likely made an agreement (written or verbal) to not share such information. However, all evidence points to there being a ~$50,000 Z28 with 550+ hp in roughly 2 years.

Also, who says that a 2014 Z28 would be exactly the same as a 2012? It might be better. Not buying a car because it get improvements later on is an endless process. If you want an SS now, get one. Want more performance? That can probably be bought for less than the cost of a Z28.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:26 AM   #29
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GM will "let the cat out of the bag" when there ready. And only then. There had been one in the works, but thats on hold right now,maybe forever. When your owned by the government,you do what they say. They built the SS Camaro, what ever happens next who knows? I bought one, and Ive got a 72 Z28. I dont speculate, if they do fine, if they dont thats fine too....makes my Z28 worth that much more! I will say this Im from Missouri, so GM, if youre gonna build a Z28.....................Show-Me.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:37 PM   #30
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Just wait till after the autoshows this coming year. The middle to end of January usually opens up a whole new world of possibilities to the consumers eyes. I am not saying you will have a street trim Z-28 to look at but you might be in for a surprise...who knows?
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:07 PM   #31
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perhaps the SLP cars will be rebadged Z28s.
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Old 12-28-2009, 02:14 PM   #32
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i have faith there going to build one.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:05 PM   #33
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Great points/arguments, thanks for the input.

I suppose I should've mentioned another reason I want to hold out for the Z/28 is the fact that I had an '84 Z/28 for my first car and I'd love to have another.
(Oh yeah, and the fact that monetarily speaking, a couple years from now is quite realistic compared to now.)
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:50 PM   #34
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Reality.

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Old 12-28-2009, 11:11 PM   #35
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Hope it has more than a 556hp LSA, Sooner or later ford will turbo or supercharged its new 5.0 V8, which will be good for over 600+hp.
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I lol at this thread.
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Awww come on If there is a Z28, would it not have to compete in the eyes of the average consumer to a Mythical (though completely possible) 5.0 V8 mustang with TT or supercharger?
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Awww come on If there is a Z28, would it not have to compete in the eyes of the average consumer to a Mythical (though completely possible) 5.0 V8 mustang with TT or supercharger?
to me personally, these threads are amusing.

if there was a ZL1, would it not have to beat the ZR1 and the GT40 and the Murcialago, and the Gallardo, and the Enzo N/A


in the eyes of the average consumer. that is.




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Old 12-29-2009, 03:10 AM   #40
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Well said Spike the ZL-1s were absolute monsters. There was nothing else like them in those days except for privately built Super stockers.
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Well said Spike the ZL-1s were absolute monsters. There was nothing else like them in those days except for privately built Super stockers.

If I could have my choice of camaro's prepped for sale tomorrow,
I'd have the
LS/LT A6/M6

SS (LS3/M6, L99/A6, LS3/A6)
available 1LE suspension track package

Z28 LSA

ZL1 LS9 (detuned of course.... so the vette boys dont get upset over us having the same amount of power)

tho, if I was building a ZL1 camaro.... it would have two engine options. I'd have to use either a 454 LSX with low cr and a 440LSX with high cr both with full forged internals.

then offer twin turbos and or a supercharger combo upgrade as well as a carb/throttle plate option.






but thats my personal pipe dream. and it will not happen. an LSA powered Z28. very, very likely to happen in a couple years. an LS9 from the factory? doubt it very seriously.


but the Z28 is a reality. just not for us... right now.

its not open to debate. sorry to disappoint.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:55 AM   #42
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In my thoughts and looking to what GM has done with the Camaro line up before

LS/LT A6/M6 (304 HP)

Z/28 LS3/M6, L99/A6 (426 HP) Maybe a handling upgrade. If needed.

The SS could be upgraded to handle the LSA (500+ HP) engine to compete with the GT-500

I mean historically didn't the SS compete with GT(sheby, ECT) level road cars from Ford....Correct or no?

But the facts are the Z/28 is not a real vehicle...yet
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so why introduce the z28 below a current level car? lol.

pipe dream.

current run maybe minor upgrades here and there

Z28 - DI-V8 550+hp 550+ tq. M6 or A6 for those people that are too scared to remove their hands from the wheel. and vastly superior suspension over every other camaro

ZL-1 LS9, fatter rear tires and no turning capability but runs 11's in motortrend and 10's with a good drive behind the wheel.
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so why introduce the z28 below a current level car? lol.
Actually Z/28 would be where the SS is now (with the handling mods you mentioned)..with the SS being upgraded to compete with GT500.

In all actuality I do not see GM in the current state of the economy and push away from oil putting out a car that would have a small sales volume.

OO I know a Z/28 Hybrid with a electric motor like whats in the Tesla.
0-60 in 3.7 sec.
288 peak horsepower
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Redline at 14,000 rpm
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Actually Z/28 would be where the SS is now (with the handling mods you mentioned)..with the SS being upgraded to compete with GT500.

In all actuality I do not see GM in the current state of the economy and push away from oil putting out a car that would have a small sales volume.

OO I know a Z/28 Hybrid with a electric motor like whats in the Tesla.
0-60 in 3.7 sec.
288 peak horsepower
295 lb-ft of torque.
Redline at 14,000 rpm
Top Speed: 125 mph
I still hold that SS is just a name that doesn't evoke the emotion that ZL-1 and Z28 do. a DI Z28 at 550+ hp with suspension mods would be where the ss is now? don't get that but ok. however you see it.

top speed of 125 yea ok. . .lmao. for what 125k?
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if the only thing really keeping you from buying a camaro now is the fact you have no idea about a Z28 or the possibility of an update. . .you will always be waiting. the ss as of now is the best you can get and in 2 years there will be something better. and 2 years from that quite possibly something better. it's a never ending cycle. you will have to bite the bullet and buy one eventually and it will end up being out done a few years from then. so buy now and get it over with, or wait forever. . .
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I still hold that SS is just a name that doesn't evoke the emotion that ZL-1 and Z28 do. a DI Z28 at 550+ hp with suspension mods would be where the ss is now? don't get that but ok. however you see it.

top speed of 125 yea ok. . .lmao. for what 125k?
I would tend to agree 1969 ZL1 Camaro and Z/28 does invoke images of tire shreading HP's.

uhmm just read some facts about the last time GM offered the SS and the Z/28 at the same time...errr your right

DI Z28 at 550+ hp with suspension mods

Oh about the Electric cars..wait a few years..the battery tech will increase and price will go down but for now there is this
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1,000 HP and 800 lb-ft of torque enabling it to rocket to 60 mph in a mere 2.5 seconds and reach a top speed of 208 mph!
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I would tend to agree 1969 ZL1 Camaro and Z/28 does invoke images of tire shreading HP's.

uhmm just read some facts about the last time GM offered the SS and the Z/28 at the same time...errr your right

DI Z28 at 550+ hp with suspension mods

Oh about the Electric cars..wait a few years..the battery tech will increase and price will go down but for now there is this
Ultimate Aero EV
1,000 HP and 800 lb-ft of torque enabling it to rocket to 60 mph in a mere 2.5 seconds and reach a top speed of 208 mph!
the last time the SS was above the Z because the Z was already in production, SLP came to GM and wanted to do the SS. That's why the SS was the higher teir. but in reality it was a Z28/SS. because all SS cars started life as a Z28.



now the aero is a cool car. but get me one that can reproduce electricity as it goes along (honda clarity hydrogen powered car slightly modified can reproduce the hydrogen. . . .hmmmm need smarter people then me looking at that) I would go for that. but being the short range I know the tesla is rated to 200+ miles but top gear only got 54 miles out of it. very short range. oh well. great concepts but reality (reality=mass produced cars for everyone) not yet.
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agreed. It will be getting another push toward electric when gas hits 4-5 dollars a gallon again.
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
I hear you... Money is going to be a factor for me as well, unfortunately... BUT, all $ aside, the ZL575 might not be a bad way to go if Z28 never sees the light of day.
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