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Old 12-23-2009, 05:30 PM   #18
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I agree and disagree... So what if it takes time to develop the car? The fact is Dodge and Ford can do it, but GM just keeps hurting themselves. Discontinuing ABM Camaro (one of the best looking colors in my opinion on the 2010 Camaro)....Green only available in 1LT (no RS OR V8 or even 2LT?)....Not producing the V6 in manual (at first dealerships were only getting automatics)...

I know the company is having problems, but I really think they are causing them. They really need to read what their customers are saying and give the public what they want. The development of a car takes time. Understood. And I personally don't think there is a better car out there right now than the 2010 Camaro, so if it takes them time, so be it. But, on the other hand, they really need to give the public what they want.
The Challenger was a rush job and it shows. ABM sells poorly in both the Camaro and the Impala, thus its being discontinued. No clue what GM's plan for Synergy Green is, but consumer demand helped convince them to make blue SS's. However, there doesn't seem to be as strong of a voice begging for more Synergy Green. I forget what the deal with the V6's was but it was well known that they couldn't build cars fast enough anyway. At any rate, I think the majority of early manual V6 orders still got through faster than SS orders due to constraints on the production ratio vs demand.

Coming out and saying "They need to give the customer what they want" sounds great (particularly from a customers perspective). But generally customers are selfish, impatient, cheap, and ill-informed. Consequently, what we want is the best for ourself, right now, for no cost, and won't accept that this is impossible. As one can imagine, this poses difficulties for anyone trying to meet these demands.

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so i dont understand. are they making the Z28 faster than the SS ? i always thought that the SS should of been the fastest camaro?
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Last time the Camaro was in production this was true. However, whats happening this time is GM came to the conclusion that every Chevy can have a Super Sport version or SS, like the Cobalt, HHR, Impala, etc. However, there is only one car that can be a Z28, and that's a Camaro. As a result of this thinking, if the Z28 see's the light of day (Which I think it will sooner or later) it will be the top of the line Camaro.

Now there is a Crevat to that, it is possible that the top dog engine wise would be a "ZL1" or something, and then they would make a Z28 that would be like a leaner track car.

But pretty sure that if they only make a Z28 in the near future it will be the highest trim level on the car.
Even in 4th gens the Z28 was still top dog since every 4th gen SS was also a Z28. GM intended for the it to be the best performing Camaro but SLP wanted to make SS's and formed a partnership with GM to give the Z28 a bit more power, a little different look and designated it as an SS. But it still started life as a Z28.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:01 PM   #19
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That's true... Other then what I think amounted to a different Spoiler, Exhaust, and ram air it was pretty much the same car.

Oh and the Rims.

But I get what you are saying, cause they where all done up by SLP and the cars all started out as Z28's technically.

Question, Can you see an outsider handling this for GM again? Or do you think GM will handle the special models in house? (Specifically talking Camaro)
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:29 PM   #20
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That's true... Other then what I think amounted to a different Spoiler, Exhaust, and ram air it was pretty much the same car.

Oh and the Rims.

But I get what you are saying, cause they where all done up by SLP and the cars all started out as Z28's technically.

Question, Can you see an outsider handling this for GM again? Or do you think GM will handle the special models in house? (Specifically talking Camaro)
that has a lot to do with whether or not they can make money off of the program considering the cost involved in bringing it to the market. if they can, they'll produce.
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Old 12-23-2009, 07:52 PM   #21
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That's true... Other then what I think amounted to a different Spoiler, Exhaust, and ram air it was pretty much the same car.

Oh and the Rims.

But I get what you are saying, cause they where all done up by SLP and the cars all started out as Z28's technically.

Question, Can you see an outsider handling this for GM again? Or do you think GM will handle the special models in house? (Specifically talking Camaro)
IMVHO - it depends on how differentiated GM wants Z28 to be. If we're talking something minor, like with SS and WS6 of years past, I can see GM doing that. Apparently, GM is warrantying SLP's SC'd car, so if it's just some suspension and body upgrades, I think this is possible. If GM wants Z28 to be truly something special, I don't think they'd go that root without some major powertrain modifications to handle major increases in power. Look what they engineered into LSA for CTS-V. If Z28 were to have a blower screwed onto to the top of LS3, or even if it were to have a DI 6.2L, I don't think they'd let it go out of house; I think they'd keep everything very close to the Camaro production we see now.

That's just me...
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:36 PM   #22
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I agree and disagree... So what if it takes time to develop the car? The fact is Dodge and Ford can do it, but GM just keeps hurting themselves. Discontinuing ABM Camaro (one of the best looking colors in my opinion on the 2010 Camaro)....Green only available in 1LT (no RS OR V8 or even 2LT?)....Not producing the V6 in manual (at first dealerships were only getting automatics)...

I know the company is having problems, but I really think they are causing them. They really need to read what their customers are saying and give the public what they want. The development of a car takes time. Understood. And I personally don't think there is a better car out there right now than the 2010 Camaro, so if it takes them time, so be it. But, on the other hand, they really need to give the public what they want.
If GM was really smart they would offer an Automatic Z28. That would be a beast. That would be good to compete with the Mustang GT500 which only has manual. Myself. I would get a Z28 Manual, even it was available in Auto.

I believe they sold more Auto Camaros than Manual as well.

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The Challenger was a rush job and it shows. ABM sells poorly in both the Camaro and the Impala, thus its being discontinued.
It sold poorly because it was promoted poorly. I swear it seems the only Camaros I see on the road are Yellow with black stripes or Black. I don't even see Red, which I tought would be a hot color.

I hope they will offer ABM in the Z28. But I doubt it.
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:41 PM   #23
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If they ever do build it I think it's a long time off. Why would they team up with slp to build cars and then turn around and offer the same car with a z/28 badge. I don't know how long the deal with slp is signed for , but I bet you won't see a z/28 until slp goes away.
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If they ever do build it I think it's a long time off. Why would they team up with slp to build cars and then turn around and offer the same car with a z/28 badge. I don't know how long the deal with slp is signed for , but I bet you won't see a z/28 until slp goes away.
This. And there is also a chance that we might never see a Z28.

Nobody knows anything about the Z28, all that is in here is all speculation but that's half the fun of it I guess.

But no, in reality right now, I do not think anyone knows a darn thing.
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:27 AM   #25
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IMVHO - it depends on how differentiated GM wants Z28 to be. If we're talking something minor, like with SS and WS6 of years past, I can see GM doing that. Apparently, GM is warrantying SLP's SC'd car, so if it's just some suspension and body upgrades, I think this is possible. If GM wants Z28 to be truly something special, I don't think they'd go that root without some major powertrain modifications to handle major increases in power. Look what they engineered into LSA for CTS-V. If Z28 were to have a blower screwed onto to the top of LS3, or even if it were to have a DI 6.2L, I don't think they'd let it go out of house; I think they'd keep everything very close to the Camaro production we see now.

That's just me...
Sounds Very Logical to me! Probably the moment you start talking major performance upgrades and even new powerplants like the LSA it becomes probably harder to trust an outsider to do the work. It's alot easier to slide a new engine in the bay when assembly is taking place. (Or should we say slide the body on the engine lol)
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Old 12-27-2009, 09:27 PM   #26
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:40 AM   #27
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
if the only thing really keeping you from buying a camaro now is the fact you have no idea about a Z28 or the possibility of an update. . .you will always be waiting. the ss as of now is the best you can get and in 2 years there will be something better. and 2 years from that quite possibly something better. it's a never ending cycle. you will have to bite the bullet and buy one eventually and it will end up being out done a few years from then. so buy now and get it over with, or wait forever. . .
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I wish someone could actually answer the title question of this thread, then I'd have more of an idea when I'll actually get a Camaro!

I really want to hold off for the Z/28, but if it doesn't actually happen... then an SS is totally fine with me! Then again, I would kinda want to wait for the next "update" to see if they change anything body/engine-wise too...
Well, nobody can answer. Anyone who knows has likely made an agreement (written or verbal) to not share such information. However, all evidence points to there being a ~$50,000 Z28 with 550+ hp in roughly 2 years.

Also, who says that a 2014 Z28 would be exactly the same as a 2012? It might be better. Not buying a car because it get improvements later on is an endless process. If you want an SS now, get one. Want more performance? That can probably be bought for less than the cost of a Z28.
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:26 AM   #29
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GM will "let the cat out of the bag" when there ready. And only then. There had been one in the works, but thats on hold right now,maybe forever. When your owned by the government,you do what they say. They built the SS Camaro, what ever happens next who knows? I bought one, and Ive got a 72 Z28. I dont speculate, if they do fine, if they dont thats fine too....makes my Z28 worth that much more! I will say this Im from Missouri, so GM, if youre gonna build a Z28.....................Show-Me.
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Just wait till after the autoshows this coming year. The middle to end of January usually opens up a whole new world of possibilities to the consumers eyes. I am not saying you will have a street trim Z-28 to look at but you might be in for a surprise...who knows?
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perhaps the SLP cars will be rebadged Z28s.
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Great points/arguments, thanks for the input.

I suppose I should've mentioned another reason I want to hold out for the Z/28 is the fact that I had an '84 Z/28 for my first car and I'd love to have another.
(Oh yeah, and the fact that monetarily speaking, a couple years from now is quite realistic compared to now.)
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