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Old 08-01-2008, 02:07 PM   #1
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Dropped Spindles at SEMA?

I like the idea of 2 inch dropped spindles, and I have them on a car I own. DS allows you to keep the factory ride, shocks, and wheel alignments. I'm wondering if they'll be offered at this years SEMA event?
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The next question is how to lower the rear? Generally, 2 inch rear lowering springs, or cutting the factory rear springs are used to bring the rear down. On short wheelbase vehicles the rear rides stiffer (that I can live with). I haven't seen any specifics on the Camaro suspension other than its being based on the Zeta platform, and reading its going to have an independent rear suspension.

Since lowering a car is popular I'm assuming other folks will be lowering their rides just a little, but don’t want to go through the expense of an air-ride type system (if that’s even going to be offered). Anyone hear yet?
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:27 PM   #2
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I would image that someone's gonna make em. Pretty common mod for most cars.

I'll be getting a set if they do.

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Old 08-01-2008, 03:50 PM   #3
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I would image that someone's gonna make em. Pretty common mod for most cars.

I'll be getting a set if they do.

Same here, looking to drop about 1-1.5" to make the stance more aggressive. I have the Eibach kit om my '97 Z and the ride is a little harsher, but handles like it's on rails. ")
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I do believe that just dropping the spindles was not a great idea on the 4th gens, but I could be wrong.

I think the proper way to lower the car is by getting shorter springs with a higher spring rate.

Also I don't think there was ever even a STRONG aftermarket spindle produced for the 4th gens, nothing that could take true Road Racing stress.
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I like the idea of 2 inch dropped spindles, and I have them on a car I own. DS allows you to keep the factory ride, shocks, and wheel alignments.

The next question is how to lower the rear? Generally, 2 inch rear lowering springs, or cutting the factory rear springs are used to bring the rear down. On short wheelbase vehicles the rear rides stiffer (that I can live with). I haven't seen any specifics on the Camaro suspension other than its being based on the Zeta platform, and reading its going to have an independent rear suspension.

Since lowering a car is popular I'm assuming other folks will be lowering their rides just a little, but don’t want to go through the expense of an air-ride type system (if that’s even going to be offered). Anyone hear yet?


please... please DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS

that is the stupidest and most unsafe way to lower a car.

buy lowering springs and revalved shocks. you need revalved shocks in order to compensate for the 1-2" of drop you are putting on the car. the stockers will wear out in about 500 miles if they are used with lowering springs.

and the way the shorter wheelbase vehicles feels stiffer is because you have a lighter vehicle, and the body doesnt flex as much to absorb some of the suspension flex

yes, we are getting IRS. and yes there will be aftermarket suspension available for it. the SS rear will be nearly identical to the ZR1 from what we have been told from GM. so if you check out aftermarket suspension for the vette, chances are you'll be able to find something for the camaro (if only the rear)
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Old 08-04-2008, 06:50 AM   #6
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CS23 I agree that cutting springs isn't the way to go, and you're right to remind folks of it.
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:56 PM   #7
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yes, we are getting IRS. and yes there will be aftermarket suspension available for it. the SS rear will be nearly identical to the ZR1 from what we have been told from GM. so if you check out aftermarket suspension for the vette, chances are you'll be able to find something for the camaro (if only the rear)
I think the Vette has a completely different IRS setup, one that, in conjunction with less mass of the car, is much stronger than what was in the GTO and what is in the G8.

I am also pretty sure that the Vette IRS has aluminum components too it.

What they did use from the ZR1 is the idea that asymmetrical half-shafts will hopefully prevent excessive wheel hop.

Also, Pedders has learned quite a bit from the G8 IRS already and they even have a full line up of bushings that will make the IRS feel more stable during cornering and hopefully mitigate wheel hop for the drag strip.
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:04 PM   #8
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I’ve read the Peddler’s thread. If I understand it they’ll offered four coil over shock springs, shocks, and adjustable spring perch adapters (generally some type of threaded design). I can see that being a plus when you’re looking for that perfect stance regardless of the tire sidewall ration. But those systems tend to be pricey.

Dropped spindles may not be cheap, but does save money by using the stock front springs and shocks, and it would probably ride like the GM engineers designed it to. Though I can see rear lowering springs/shocks giving the Camaro suspension engineers fits.
Still I bet it would be cheaper system than the coils/adjustable adapters/shocks set-up.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:33 PM   #9
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Im going to drop this bad boy 2 inches and i dont care how much it costs!!!
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I can tell you the suspension will have lots of room for improvement. Pedders already has springs/struts/ and adjustable coil overs. We also have all non compliant bushings, adjiustabel sway bars. The Camaro has a lot of body role, that might bother some.

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The Camaro has a lot of body role, that might bother some.

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And how do you have such information? Have you got to drive one?

Will dampers with more rebound and sway bars improve this quite a bit?

My 1998 Z28 Camaro with 140K miles, stock springs and sway bars, and Koni single-adjustable shocks seems to have minimal body roll...
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:24 PM   #12
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And how do you have such information? Have you got to drive one?

Will dampers with more rebound and sway bars improve this quite a bit?

My 1998 Z28 Camaro with 140K miles, stock springs and sway bars, and Koni single-adjustable shocks seems to have minimal body roll...
I cannot go into details, but ai can tell you that we have major access into the entire ZETA platform design. AFter the Camaro is released, you will be able to understand why I cannot chat about it.

But the prove is in the roadtest!, We have about 50 or so G8s with TrackII systems, which actually has a longer wheel base and some advantages over the Camaro. Drive one of these rides, and you will immediately understand what I am talking about.

On the G8, which is the same platform as the Camaro, here is one of the many tests that I did pre/post test.

On a G8 GT, I took a OEM vehicle down a very safe, long road with divided white lines. The goal was to be able to keep the left front tires within the split white lines, and turn the steering wheel 90 degrees left/right as fast as I could. Doing this, I could get to 40-45 mph on the G8 GT. the limitations on this was the body role. I was turning so fast, that the body role did not set when I was in fact turning the opposite direction. Tires were squeeling really badly at the rear so I stoppped.

We installed the TrackII Pedders system, less sway bars. This is all the bushes, springs, shocks. We were able to get to 60mph. At 60mph, traction control was kicking in at the rear and throwing off the rythem, thus the safety aspect of the test was exceeded, therefore stopped. Now on the high end Camaro, the vehicles will be lower than the G8 and the tires will be splite configured and larger than G8. Time will tell. I can tell you a GTO rackII install can do the same test at over 70mph.

There are few poeple in the USA with more Zeta platform experience than me. Would be glad to share my experiences with all of you

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Old 09-21-2008, 11:28 PM   #13
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Old 09-22-2008, 02:04 PM   #15
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Drop spindles are great....for trucks.

On a road car, if you're going to drop the car, 99% of people will go with a lowering spring and a shortened strut to match. To get the best handling and ride you NEED to get a strut that is valved to match your new spring rate.

Oh, and a two inch drop on this car will tuck the tires inside the fender or just plant the fender on top of the tire. It'll be slammed and ride, handle, and probably look like ass.
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Im going to drop this bad boy 2 inches and i dont care how much it costs!!!
If i drop it, I wont be able to make it up my driveway :(
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:35 AM   #17
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I have a 85 Fiero with 2 inch Belltech dropped spindles (they were offered for Fiero's for a nano-second back in the late 80s) that allows the use of the stock front springs.

I've owned another Fiero with 2 inch shortened springs front and rear (and a three inch chopped top , unless the pavement was smooth as glass that one did ride like an old truck somedays.

I figured the main reason the 85 runs smoother is because of the stock springs even though I replaced the shocks/struts with Bilstein and polyurethane bushings too.

I'm also wondering if that fancy air bag suspension system (ridetech.com) is going to be offered for the 5th, but that's big bucks too.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:41 AM   #18
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i doubt that the dropped spindles will be ready at the show since they wont have cars yet
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I can tell you the suspension will have lots of room for improvement. Pedders already has springs/struts/ and adjustable coil overs. We also have all non compliant bushings, adjiustabel sway bars. The Camaro has a lot of body role, that might bother some.

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What will installing your Street II package on the Camaro do to its factory warranty?? If it will affect the factory warranty will it affect all or partial?? Will Pedders have an equivalent warranty??
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the arent going to void your powertrain warranty for installing a suspension package. they only stop covering the parts that you put on.
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I cannot go into details, but ai can tell you that we have major access into the entire ZETA platform design. AFter the Camaro is released, you will be able to understand why I cannot chat about it.

But the prove is in the roadtest!, We have about 50 or so G8s with TrackII systems, which actually has a longer wheel base and some advantages over the Camaro. Drive one of these rides, and you will immediately understand what I am talking about.

On the G8, which is the same platform as the Camaro, here is one of the many tests that I did pre/post test.

On a G8 GT, I took a OEM vehicle down a very safe, long road with divided white lines. The goal was to be able to keep the left front tires within the split white lines, and turn the steering wheel 90 degrees left/right as fast as I could. Doing this, I could get to 40-45 mph on the G8 GT. the limitations on this was the body role. I was turning so fast, that the body role did not set when I was in fact turning the opposite direction. Tires were squeeling really badly at the rear so I stoppped.

We installed the TrackII Pedders system, less sway bars. This is all the bushes, springs, shocks. We were able to get to 60mph. At 60mph, traction control was kicking in at the rear and throwing off the rythem, thus the safety aspect of the test was exceeded, therefore stopped. Now on the high end Camaro, the vehicles will be lower than the G8 and the tires will be splite configured and larger than G8. Time will tell. I can tell you a GTO rackII install can do the same test at over 70mph.

There are few poeple in the USA with more Zeta platform experience than me. Would be glad to share my experiences with all of you

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I 've got a 69 camaro that needs help in the rollover department, but going to wait and work on the new one, like your threads.
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What will installing your Street II package on the Camaro do to its factory warranty?? If it will affect the factory warranty will it affect all or partial?? Will Pedders have an equivalent warranty??
As a former GTO owner, I have a lot of experience with Pedders. Their stuff has a strong warranty and you will get a whole hell of a lot of dealer support. As with all modifications, if the aftermarket part caused the warranty issue, that part of your warranty definitely won't be honored. But if your radio shits the bed or you drop a valve and you have only have a full suspension, you're fine.
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Any one read/hear development on dropped spindles yet?
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