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Old 08-02-2008, 09:57 PM   #1
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Welp, I don't know much about them other than I know they'll increase acceleration but at the cost of top speed.

So...if stock gears are 3.45 and we'll just say top speed is 160...what would you expect the top speed to go down to with 4.10s?
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it depends. auto or manual? also stock wheels? what redline?

it would be somewhat significant, depending on whether your top speed is limited by your redline in your final gear. now if you could only get to 160 in 6th gear and you were only at 4500rpm, then you would still have another 2000rpms to roll with to get to top speed with a different rear gear ratio.
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the auto will have 3.27

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ok, i must be doing something wrong because i'm getting about 293 mph @ redline on the ss manual... haha
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ok, i must be doing something wrong because i'm getting about 293 mph @ redline on the ss manual... haha
The 6th gear in that tranny is for fuel economy only. I believe that if you were to shift into 6th while at 175 mph your power would drop such that you would actually slow down. So top speed is achieved in 5th. I think. I don't know enough on the subject to say for sure though, so anyone who does please correct me.
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ok, i must be doing something wrong because i'm getting about 293 mph @ redline on the ss manual... haha
well, if you could drive in a vacuum with no gravity then theoretically yes you could get up to that speed, however you have a form of terminal velocity. cus you have to keep in mind that you have air resistance and gravity that will not allow you to get to that speed. plus once you are moving that fast, it makes it harder and harder for the motor to keep accelerating. there was a rough hand formula that basically as your speed increases past a certain point, you need "X" times your horse power to add another % of mph
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The 6th gear in that tranny is for fuel economy only. I believe that if you were to shift into 6th while at 175 mph your power would drop such that you would actually slow down. So top speed is achieved in 5th. I think. I don't know enough on the subject to say for sure though, so anyone who does please correct me.

pretty much hit it on the head. altho with engine performance out there like it is, you could shift to 6th and gradually accelerate faster. the main problem comes into gearing ratios to the point that its better for cruising but like i said above, it makes it harder for the motor to keep the car accelerating.


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DG.... YOU JUST MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING!
that has nothing to do with this conversation.

people are complaining about the manual SS not being paired up with the L99.... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, doesnt the AFM only activate during low load, idle, and cruising situations? (stick with me on this)

GM theoretcially should be able to do a manual L99 with AFM..... but they would have to program it so that it only activates when at idle in N or with the clutch fully depressed at a stop (with a microswitch/sensor on the clutch linkage so that when you release the clutch it goes back to V8) and have it programmed to be active when cruising in 6th gear (highway) and deactivate when you push the clutch in when cruising. and since the 6th gear is only really for fuel economy, add to that the AFM and you could yield 50+ mpg highway with the manual...

now this is all theoretical, but i dont see why it wouldnt work....

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so wait...your telling me i can't go 293 in my stock camaro? lol i got ya, i just wanted to see what it would theoretically be in 6th. w/ catiajockey's little calculator i'm getting 200 mph in 5th in ideal conditions. i know, we're not in a vacuum, but it just excites me
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Top speed is probably going to be electronically limited to avoid surpassing the OEM tire speed rating.
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:02 PM   #10
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The cars with T-56s that I know of hit top speed in 5th so that's where I"d expect this one. The trouble may be aerodynamics. I don't know for sure though.

But if not, with the manual + LS3 minus speed limiter... I'd say 180 is possible if the aero doesn't stop it. I know guys who have hit 176 or so in the GTO which is supposed to have a slightly lower drag coefficient. And supposedly SRT-8 owners are redline limited in their giant bricks of cars to 173. So if the Camaro is near as slippery as the GTO (which I've heard has a coefficient like .36 to the GTO's .31), it'll come close to 180 with stock gears. I'm not an engineer or a physics major so I have no idea how significant drag coefficient numbers are.

But unless you're going to the salt flats or a road course with super long straights I don't think top speed will be that crucial to your cars performance. So 4.10s will be plenty for the street and strip.

Although you'll probably take a big hit to fuel econ....
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Okay... Am finding it as difficult as I expected. What does a stock standard transmission 2010 'maro do if
you change the gears from 3.45 to 3.27?
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Okay... Am finding it as difficult as I expected. What does a stock standard transmission 2010 'maro do if
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Gets slower. To increase performance you want to go the other way, say to 3.73 or 3.90. No aftermarket gears are available yet.
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I was under the belief the cars top speed is in 4th gear. That in 5th and 6th gear the computer limits the engines rpms by cutting the fuel off. So, you wont be screaming at 6500 rpms in 5th or 6th gears.
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...which leaves plenty of reason to have ultra-tall smooth quiet highway torquing gears for 5 and 6. Though, the Camaro's 6th gear is pretty decently tall anyway.
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But unless you're going to the salt flats or a road course with super long straights I don't think top speed will be that crucial to your cars performance. So 4.10s will be plenty for the street and strip.
You wouldn't want to take it to the salt flats to test your vehicle's top speed. Those old lake beds are much softer than asphalt and create much more friction between the ground and the tires than hard asphalt. If you took it to a long enough stretch of road, though, your best bet would be to tape up the nose of the car to reduce drag.


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As long as you're moving perpendicular to the force of gravity (or in line with it), it will not slow you down, as it's not an opposing force. Driving in a vacuum would remove most of the drag against the car, with the friction between the tires and the road being the only other outside opposing force.
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You wouldn't want to take it to the salt flats to test your vehicle's top speed. Those old lake beds are much softer than asphalt and create much more friction between the ground and the tires than hard asphalt. If you took it to a long enough stretch of road, though, your best bet would be to tape up the nose of the car to reduce drag.




As long as you're moving perpendicular to the force of gravity (or in line with it), it will not slow you down, as it's not an opposing force. Driving in a vacuum would remove most of the drag against the car, with the friction between the tires and the road being the only other outside opposing force.
you watch to much top gear

if you do tape it up though remember its gonna over heat really quick
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if you do tape it up though remember its gonna over heat really quick
Hahah well it is quite possibly the greatest automotive television show EVER. And I think the Camaro actually uses a scoop underneath the front fascia to direct air onto the radiator. I think. I know the Corvettes do. I could be completely wrong though.
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You wouldn't want to take it to the salt flats to test your vehicle's top speed. Those old lake beds are much softer than asphalt and create much more friction between the ground and the tires than hard asphalt. If you took it to a long enough stretch of road, though, your best bet would be to tape up the nose of the car to reduce drag.




As long as you're moving perpendicular to the force of gravity (or in line with it), it will not slow you down, as it's not an opposing force. Driving in a vacuum would remove most of the drag against the car, with the friction between the tires and the road being the only other outside opposing force.
1) such a long, straight stretch of road does not exist, to the best of my knowledge. And a 2 lane highway, even if it were closed down, is too narrow (ie dangerous) to try it anyways. A massive runway would be the best, such as the one out at Groom Lake. But last I checked, they don't like it when people come visit, something about 'No Trespassing: Deadly Force is Authorized' or words to that effect.
2) gravity does play a roll in slowing the car down, though its effect is quite small. The cycling of the suspension, the friction on axle bearings, and other stuff like that count as losses and are present because of gravity, but ... not many ever worry about them
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As long as you're moving perpendicular to the force of gravity (or in line with it), it will not slow you down, as it's not an opposing force. Driving in a vacuum would remove most of the drag against the car, with the friction between the tires and the road being the only other outside opposing force.
if you are moving perpendicular to the force of gravity it will be an opposing force. gravity pulling down on the car creates the friction between the tires and the road. not much force, but its there.

but moving in line with it would either speed you up or slow you down depending on which way the force of gravity was pulling.
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I think the Camaro actually uses a scoop underneath the front fascia to direct air onto the radiator. I think. I know the Corvettes do. I could be completely wrong though.
3rd and 4th generation Camaros did, and some had no front grille at all. With the huge gaping grille on the 5th gen, it would be wasteful to use a scoop underneath, as it would add unnecessary aerodynamic drag.

Can anyone confirm whether the 5th gen uses a scoop underneath? Look for a flat plastic thing hanging down that goes all the way across the front, below the radiator, and in front of/above it there's a large opening for air to get up to the radiator.
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3rd and 4th generation Camaros did, and some had no front grille at all. With the huge gaping grille on the 5th gen, it would be wasteful to use a scoop underneath, as it would add unnecessary aerodynamic drag.

Can anyone confirm whether the 5th gen uses a scoop underneath? Look for a flat plastic thing hanging down that goes all the way across the front, below the radiator, and in front of/above it there's a large opening for air to get up to the radiator.

I have no idea if they scoop air from underneath but I would guess they do get some from there just like the 1st and 2nd gens did.
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Hahah well it is quite possibly the greatest automotive television show EVER. And I think the Camaro actually uses a scoop underneath the front fascia to direct air onto the radiator. I think. I know the Corvettes do. I could be completely wrong though.
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