Mustangs................

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

with motortrend and the avg drive of a GT500 will be high 12's in the 1/4. I was generally saying that if you're using the argument about price vs performance you can argue both ends of the spectrum.

I have had my fair shair of 1320 passes. destroying mustangs and others alike at over 1 second differences. I by no means have had a fast car or am a great driver. 12.5 is not fast it's quick. but I've destroyed far superior cars at the strip due to drivers.

for me there is no misconception about the performance of the GT500. there's no misconception about the modability of the GT500. it is far superior to the SS. with someone that knows how to use the power, and has learned the car.

Same can be said about the camaro. Not everyone pulls 12.8's and 12.9's... I'd say the average would be 13.2 - 13.4.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'd say most likely. Hopefully they have the mindset that they don't want their customers to blindly buy Mustangs based on the alleged, non-official power ratings, etc.

Ford has said that all questions on the 2011 Mustang will be answered at LA in early dec

[Scotsman]

Choices choices choices. I llke the fact Ford is giving customers the option of making their Mustang highly personalized with an assortment of options to choose from.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by DropTheGloves

Or not... they do have their own sources as well. Just like Modularfords...they don't randomly know this, they find it out from someone else, and then post it.

No...they got that directly from 5.0 Brian on TMS. Its the exact way he posted it, of course without his comments. He put up some new info about A Glass roof option for the GT500 and axle gearing sizes...laying 100 to 1 odds it will be on that site soon...

[Ninjak]

All info should be out soon, but the info on that site came from a dealer that is looking at the order banks on TMS. The 2011 stang should be a great car. Will be a great year for ford and mustang enthusiast

[Russo]

i agree... im waiting for pricing to be released as well as options...

[Zeus]

Wow..... an OPTIONAL 6 -speed auto that you pay extra for.... Ford you spoil us...........

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Wow..... an OPTIONAL 6 -speed auto that you pay extra for.... Ford you spoil us...........

Automatics are cost options for most brands...I'm not following here.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by syr74

Automatics are cost options for most brands...I'm not following here.

Automatic's are cost options because they are usually better, or more sophisticated. For instance, the L99 comes with a Tap-shift 6 speed, as well as Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation). Generally, standard 6 speed auto's aren't considered 'upgrades'.

[Stew]

WHile I don't know about cylinder deativation, consideing the SHO and Licolns are getting shift paddles, there is like no chance the Stang wouldn't.

[Ninjak]

Yes. I have to agree with Stew..No news on what type it will be.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Same can be said about the camaro. Not everyone pulls 12.8's and 12.9's... I'd say the average would be 13.2 - 13.4.

seen more people that have Higher out (500+hp) put cars and no driving skill. or they were still learning the car. bench racing is so much fun.

But why did we get into a GT500 vs camaro 1/4 crap? seriously, this thread has been about the GT and price/performance vs camaro SS price/performance. and the point I was making was that the GT that competes well with the camaro right now is the same (a little more actually) price as a base 2SS. but people still believe that it's a 40k camaro. which is completely false.

I personally can't wait to see this 400 hp GT and what numbers it's putting down. becaust with the track pack the GT with current hp rating is so close, how will the 400 hp with brembo mustang do? better stopping for sure, better 1/4 mile for sure. but turning, not so sure.

Either way I can't wait to see what GM does to compete against it. it's a very exciting time.

[Georgie]

can't wait. i want camaro and mustang to broom all foreign competition for less

[RealQuickCamaro]

I guess we will see come DEC 4th,. LA Show, good to see Ford upgrading their engines. Time to slow down the camaro sales from the mustang LOL,
I say V8: 400 hp/380 LB / ft
V6: 315 hp/275 lb./ft. with 3.31 Limited Slip axle for 28 MPG


Along with 6 speed transmissions for each engine,
lets see if i am any where close

[lil_chef]

Even if those are the mustang stats for the 2011 model year..... early next year will also be a great time to get a VERY cheap 2010 mustang....... ahhh the choices the choices

[Black5thgen]

It's ugly, who cares. I'm sure the LS3 will still be faster, like in the late 80's when the mustang was lighter and had almost as much horsepower but still was slower.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Even if those are the mustang stats for the 2011 model year..... early next year will also be a great time to get a VERY cheap 2010 mustang....... ahhh the choices the choices

if you were gonna do an engine swap, id understand.... but the dohc 32v 5.0 liter is light years ahead of the sohc 2v 4.6

[5thGenOwner]

I'm not much a fan of the latest version of the Mustang... too rounded in all the wrong places for me. Loved the '05 retro and the Challenger/Camaro/Mustang rivalry it sparked, but what they did to it in '10 not so good imo. I'm biased of course, but I do love a heated debate!

[bluestang50]

This Saleen in a 2011 model with 400hp stock motor plus saleen supercharger plus brembos WTF!!!!

/thread

[syr74]

Originally Posted by RealQuickCamaro

I guess we will see come DEC 4th,. LA Show, good to see Ford upgrading their engines. Time to slow down the camaro sales from the mustang LOL,
I say V8: 400 hp/380 LB / ft
V6: 315 hp/275 lb./ft. with 3.31 Limited Slip axle for 28 MPG


Along with 6 speed transmissions for each engine,
lets see if i am any where close

You're close.

[SleepWarz]

Unless they can fix that disaster of a rear end....

[missionbrent]

Still though, no matter what they will still be using SOHC Modulars (I do beleive their new 6.2l is a SOHC) in the new Mustang GTs right? They still have a live rear axle don't they? Not buying it as this great new thing. Modulars are expensive and the only thing that allows the live rear axle to compete is the track pack. Not to mention once you add all of these options and packages you are probably talking about a high 30s to 40k Mustang GT.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by missionbrent

Still though, no matter what they will still be using SOHC Modulars (I do beleive their new 6.2l is a SOHC) in the new Mustang GTs right? They still have a live rear axle don't they? Not buying it as this great new thing. Modulars are expensive and the only thing that allows the live rear axle to compete is the track pack. Not to mention once you add all of these options and packages you are probably talking about a high 30s to 40k Mustang GT.

hmmm same can be said for the SS. point?

[missionbrent]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

hmmm same can be said for the SS. point?

1ss is 31k, less than a mustang with a track pack. The Camaros base V8 is 426hp where as the hinted about up level Mustang V8 would probably be around a 3k option like it is on the SVT Raptor. I guess that would be my point. I guess if you think a push rod IRS car is the same as a modular live axle car then you would have a point. You would never think a LS engine is the same as a mod motor if you have worked on both of them, and if you have then you know exactly what I am saying

34k for Camaro 2ss

Base GT premium 32k

3k + for SVT package assuming that is the new mod motor, the plus is for the badging and whatever new stripe they put on it. It will also most likely have interior options which I would guess will come off of the premium Mustang. 3k would be the extremley low ball number.

Track pack is $1500

SVT would also most likely need the upspec wheels, or come with the SVT pack which would raise it's price. $700 for the current upspec wheels

Don't forget about your Brembo option, not standard. $ your guess

Minimum of 37k. Not counting the Brembos and low balling the hinted 6.2l package. Most likely over 38k.

To get a Camaro up that high from the factory you aren't adding any performance. The SS's performance maxes out at the 31k 1SS. Also these are with 2010 Mustang pricing. Who knows how it will change for 2011, but I would bet it isn't going down.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by missionbrent

1ss is 31k, less than a mustang with a track pack. The Camaros base V8 is 426hp where as the hinted about up level Mustang V8 would probably be around a 3k option like it is on the SVT Raptor. I guess that would be my point. I guess if you think a push rod IRS car is the same as a modular live axle car then you would have a point. You would never think a LS engine is the same as a mod motor if you have worked on both of them, and if you have then you know exactly what I am saying

34k for Camaro 2ss

Base GT premium 32k

3k + for SVT package assuming that is the new mod motor, the plus is for the badging and whatever new stripe they put on it. It will also most likely have interior options which I would guess will come off of the premium Mustang. 3k would be the extremley low ball number.

Track pack is $1500

SVT would also most likely need the upspec wheels, or come with the SVT pack which would raise it's price. $700 for the current upspec wheels

Don't forget about your Brembo option, not standard. $ your guess

Minimum of 37k. Not counting the Brembos and low balling the hinted 6.2l package. Most likely over 38k.

To get a Camaro up that high from the factory you aren't adding any performance. The SS's performance maxes out at the 31k 1SS. Also these are with 2010 Mustang pricing. Who knows how it will change for 2011, but I would bet it isn't going down.

Let's wait for the number's to come out before we start analyzing them.