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Old 05-11-2009, 05:46 PM   #326
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Isnt the gt500 only a high 12sec car with 500hp?


Why not buy an 03-04 Cobra and a $60 pulley....they look better and are faster.
gt500 12.4 12.5 mid 12 second car, and yes an 03-04 would be a steal right now for like 21k
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No, buy a 35k mustang gt put a roush super pooper in it and get 700+ hp.
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Well if he is taking about the roush charger then it's only 5000 so yea that is cheap for 700 upHP
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Well if he is taking about the roush charger then it's only 5000 so yea that is cheap for 700 upHP
you cant push a gt with stock internals to 700hp, cobra's on the other hand are built for it.
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Only prob with a Cobra is leaving you axles on the track..literally when you launch to hard with to much power. When I had my 03 Term it was quite a few times I saw guys breaking their IRS out there..snapping the half shafts in two.

I was running 510/490 @ my wheels and I was always afraid to let it rip...because I drove to the track and I wanted to drive home....IRS is great and all...but heh they are not going to hold up like a live axle.
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Only prob with a Cobra is leaving you axles on the track..literally when you launch to hard with to much power. When I had my 03 Term it was quite a few times I saw guys breaking their IRS out there..snapping the half shafts in two.

I was running 510/490 @ my wheels and I was always afraid to let it rip...because I drove to the track and I wanted to drive home....IRS is great and all...but heh they are not going to hold up like a live axle.
The stock half shafts are quite strong. Shit happens, I've seen fully built 9"'s eat it too.
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you cant push a gt with stock internals to 700hp, cobra's on the other hand are built for it.
Heh...yeah thats not going to happen. They say 500RWHP is the limit...450RWHP and under is the safest. Every car is different though. For me I am staying right below the 450 mark. I am not trying to go boom. Besides, its not like you will run into people with 450 on tap everywhere you go.
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The stock half shafts are quite strong. Shit happens, I've seen fully built 9"'s eat it too.
Yes, they all can go....I had reinforced ones on mines, but still.....you know the weakest link in the cobra's was the IRS...That's why the serious guys snatched it out and used live axles.

They are strong, but its a bad day when you launch and your rear susp is all over the track...on the ground. In one test and tune, I saw 3 guys rip theirs out of the car....not a pretty site by no means.
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I just got that issue and liked it a lot. It seemed a lot like their video review but it's just nice to be able to carry it in print.

It'd be cool if GM were to offer a suspension package in the future. For me, obviously biased for Camaro, the two tests that it performed better just don't make me even consider swaying. Sure, it handles really good, and sticks really hard, but even they said it was really hard to upset Camaro (if I remember right...) Regardless, I think it was a pretty good test and nice review.
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Challenger SRT8: 4100/425=9.6 lb/hp
Mustang GT: 3550/315=11.3 lb/hp

The mustang is a respectable car, don't get me wrong, but there is no comparison in the power department to the 6.1L SRT8 engine, even in that heavy car. There is a lot more potential with the challenger with the power/weight ratio advantage it has in terms of straightline performance. The Mustang would obviously be better on the track. And BTW, time to distance (0-60) is not a race, who is in front at a given distance is a race, there can be a big difference, especially by the time a 1/4 mile goes by.

This comparison only gets worse for the Mustang when you look at the Camaro.
Camaro SS: 3860/426=9.1 lb/hp

Again, I am not trashing the Mustang, it is well put together, a balanced package, and no doubt a blast to drive. But almost 20% more (peak) power for every pound is something you can feel in every gear, and in my opinion makes the Camaro the better car. I am sure you can feel the extra weight on the Camaro but to me I would rather have the power/weight ratio advantage for that put you back in your seat thrill. It is not like the Camaro doesn't have the brakes/suspension to handle the power in the corners pretty well anyway. I must admit, I doubt it will ever feel as light as the mustang, because it isn't, and that is one of the few compromises they made in my opinion to build this car.

To me the interior is pretty subjective, and for the record I like both the Camaro's and the Mustang's interior, they both have their own originality to them. The Challenger dash/gauges are too plain for the car.
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Ray, I think your weight is incorrect. Anyway, the mustang will kill the challenger.

Like my finance teacher said: Things look nice on paper, but making things happen is different.

Those numbers are nice, but why is the smaller engine tearing it up?
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Heh...yeah thats not going to happen. They say 500RWHP is the limit...450RWHP and under is the safest. Every car is different though. For me I am staying right below the 450 mark. I am not trying to go boom. Besides, its not like you will run into people with 450 on tap everywhere you go.
Have you guys not heard of the new roush super charger? Apparently not.
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Ray, I think your weight is incorrect. Anyway, the mustang will kill the challenger.

Like my finance teacher said: Things look nice on paper, but making things happen is different.

Those numbers are nice, but why is the smaller engine tearing it up?
His weights are pretty much right on, +-50 lbs. maybe depending on options. By the looks of it, a stock SRT8 Challenger is going to end up ripping you a new one eventually when you come acros one. Maybe then you will open your eyes.
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Have you guys not heard of the new roush super charger? Apparently not.
It's not the supercharger (which is an OK design although KB's and Whipples are the way to go) that would hold back the power. It's the engine.
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It's not the supercharger (which is an OK design although KB's and Whipples are the way to go) that would hold back the power. It's the engine.
It was built for this engine?

You've got me confused. How is an SRT8 going to "rip me a new one" when I had 5 people at the latest car show out here tell me about the motor trend article and when people have quoted straight from the article here.
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Looks good man, i never dug those rims though, they got some sick 5 spokes for the new stang you should check them out, and btw black is the fastest color i like the capless fuel filler another nice innovation.
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It was built for this engine?

You've got me confused. How is an SRT8 going to "rip me a new one" when I had 5 people at the latest car show out here tell me about the motor trend article and when people have quoted straight from the article here.
Which article was that? Nice looking Stang you got there too. Enjoy it!
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Which article was that? Nice looking Stang you got there too. Enjoy it!
Its in the new motor trend magazine.
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Its in the new motor trend magazine.
With the Camaro, Stang, and Chally on the cover? If so they tested an RT Chally in that article, not the SRT.
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With the Camaro, Stang, and Chally on the cover? If so they tested an RT Chally in that article, not the SRT.
Its still a 376 HP v8. Sorry if I got that wrong.
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Its still a 426 HP v8. Sorry if I got that wrong.
No....it's not. It's a 375HP 5.7L.
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I edited that. Sorry.
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It was built for this engine?

You've got me confused. How is an SRT8 going to "rip me a new one" when I had 5 people at the latest car show out here tell me about the motor trend article and when people have quoted straight from the article here.
The 4.6 from the Mustang GT's just aren't up to the task of holdin up to much power past 500 rwhp.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dogging the new Mustang GT. I think they look better than the camaro IMO but I would never say that on this site

But I think even the RT's are ahead of the Mustang GT's through the 1/4 more often than not, regardless of what happened on that article.
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The 4.6 from the Mustang GT's just aren't up to the task of holdin up to much power past 500 rwhp.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dogging the new Mustang GT. I think they look better than the camaro IMO but I would never say that on this site

But I think even the RT's are ahead of the Mustang GT's through the 1/4 more often than not, regardless of what happened on that article.
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