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Old 05-17-2009, 11:43 AM   #501
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You Mustangs guys crack me up. You all post like your the little brother trying to keep up with your older brother. I like it.
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You Mustangs guys crack me up. You all post like your the little brother trying to keep up with your older brother. I like it.
ummmm what lol
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We definitely have a different opinion of "bolt-on".
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You Mustangs guys crack me up. You all post like your the little brother trying to keep up with your older brother. I like it.
I believe the poster asked a question. and i stated a few facts...
not sure where you get the little brother thing from? should we not answer the posters question?
if it was up to you, you would say it needs 111hp to keep up wouldnt you
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I believe the poster asked a question. and i stated a few facts...
not sure where you get the little brother thing from? should we not answer the posters question?
if it was up to you, you would say it needs 111hp to keep up wouldnt you
yea if the Stang had the same HP as the Maro it would eat it up, no offense just stating the obvious
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About 30 HP, this is a 2006 bolt on mustang with probably 315 to the ground running 12.6 but the 2010's start with 15 extra hp.



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Ok then we have not had a broken in car with a great driver yet so no maybe no.
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probably not much my friend if you look at the scenario know the difference is .2 of a sec o ht e 0-60 and the 1/4. So possibly 50 hp 50 lb feet.
the supercharged camaro is non existent at this moment so it depends on the charger and HP to properly correlate

Dont know where you keep getting this .2 seconds for 1/4 mile. There is .5 in most of the reviews. Car and Driver and Motortrend both had the Track Pack option for the Mustang. They are the ones that the .5 seconds is there. No track pack and of course the difference is greater. 0-60 yes there is a .2 second difference, but a half second in the 1/4 mile is a huge gap between the two. I think at the current weight of the Mustang you would have to get the 400/400 blower option for the Mustang to edge out the Camaro, and that would be a close race.
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Dont know where you keep getting this .2 seconds for 1/4 mile. There is .5 in most of the reviews. Car and Driver and Motortrend both had the Track Pack option for the Mustang. They are the ones that the .5 seconds is there. No track pack and of course the difference is greater. 0-60 yes there is a .2 second difference, but a half second in the 1/4 mile is a huge gap between the two. I think at the current weight of the Mustang you would have to get the 400/400 blower option for the Mustang to edge out the Camaro, and that would be a close race.
I just showed you a bolt on mustang running 12.6 thats nowhere near 400 hp. and 12.6 vs 13.0-12.9 is not a photo finish.
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not sure where you get the little brother thing from? should we not answer the posters question?
if it was up to you, you would say it needs 111hp to keep up wouldnt you
I rest my case.
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yea if the Stang had the same HP as the Maro it would eat it up, no offense just stating the obvious
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We definitely have a different opinion of "bolt-on".
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Dont know where you keep getting this .2 seconds for 1/4 mile. There is .5 in most of the reviews. Car and Driver and Motortrend both had the Track Pack option for the Mustang. They are the ones that the .5 seconds is there. No track pack and of course the difference is greater. 0-60 yes there is a .2 second difference, but a half second in the 1/4 mile is a huge gap between the two. I think at the current weight of the Mustang you would have to get the 400/400 blower option for the Mustang to edge out the Camaro, and that would be a close race.
well sorry if I misstated the .2 in the 1/4 but I dont think you would need 400/400 to make up that .5. thats 85hp/75 lb ft at those extra numbers with the 400lb difference the Mustang would blow by the Camaro
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Moving this thread to the vs. section.
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Agreed.
I dont get you guys if at 315/325 the Mustang is .2 sec slower and .5 seconds slower in the 1/4 what the hell do you think it would do with 426/400.
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I just showed you a bolt on mustang running 12.6 thats nowhere near 400 hp. and 12.6 vs 13.0-12.9 is not a photo finish.

Your right you stated it was around 315 to the tires. So that would be about 385 at the crank. Close enough to 400. Instead of all the bolt ons and a tune I just used the single blower application. Same thing. Also no where did I say photo finish. I said it would be close. .3 is closer than .5...
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Your right you stated it was around 315 to the tires. So that would be about 385 at the crank. Close enough to 400. Instead of all the bolt ons and a tune I just used the single blower application. Same thing. Also no where did I say photo finish. I said it would be close. .3 is closer than .5...
you dont lose 70hp to the wheels, unless you dyno with your e-brake on lol
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you dont lose 70hp to the wheels, unless you dyno with your e-brake on lol
Wait, I wasn't supposed to do that? OH SWEET JESUS.
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you dont lose 70hp to the wheels, unless you dyno with your e-brake on lol
i second that the average loss is between 22 and 28%
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i second that the average loss is between 22 and 28%
What is 385hp minus 22 to 28%? They don't lose that much. Not even on a Mustang.
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What is 385hp minus 22 to 28%? They don't lose that much. Not even on a Mustang.
True that lol
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wow you guys suck at math.
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Roughly thats about 20% 385-20% is 308. 15% is 327. Dont know where anyone is getting 28%. My math isnt great, worst subject but I know it wasnt done at 28%. So around 385 at the crank would be around the numbers you would be looking for to get somewhere around the 315 to the tires. Depending on if that car was a manual or auto.
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Well, to bring a bit of rough math in (lets leave out transmission ratios, tire grip/size, diff ratio and driver competence)

The Camaro weighs 3860 lbs and makes 426 HP (LS3), which comes to about 9.06 lbs/HP

The Mustang weighs 3691 lbs (for the GT, correct me if this is wrong, its the only value i found) and makes 315 HP, which comes to 11.7 lbs/HP

So the mustang must make up 2.65 lbs/HP, at the mustangs weight, that comes to about 71 HP
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Well, to bring a bit of rough math in (lets leave out transmission ratios, tire grip/size, diff ratio and driver competence)

The Camaro weighs 3860 lbs and makes 426 HP (LS3), which comes to about 9.06 lbs/HP

The Mustang weighs 3691 lbs (for the GT, correct me if this is wrong, its the only value i found) and makes 315 HP, which comes to 11.7 lbs/HP

So the mustang must make up 2.65 lbs/HP, at the mustangs weight, that comes to about 71 HP

The 2010 mustang weights 3572lbs.
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The 2010 mustang weights 3572lbs.
so if you redo his math what will it need about the 50 I said in the beginning right?
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I dont get you guys if at 315/325 the Mustang is .2 sec slower and .5 seconds slower in the 1/4 what the hell do you think it would do with 426/400.
How is that relevant? The Mustang isn't at 426/400, so the argument ends there. The only reason there is even an argument is that the Mustang is considerably lighter, which is great! The second reason it's viable is that everyone is comparing the track pack mustang to a fully loaded with features 2SS/RS. Compare the base model of each V8 (bare bones GT to barebones 1SS) and the numbers will tell a better story, in my opinion.
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