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Old 06-24-2008, 12:04 AM   #76
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And it will still be slow.........
Slow compared to what? A Corvette? Yeah maybe.
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Nope.....compared to my 84' Datsun pickup
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Actually i love the car its clean looking, but the camaro is clean looking and mean looking,

But one thing Wheres the Door Handles?????
we don't need no stinking door handles

maybe they are hidden like the corvette's
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Isnt that exactly what Mustang owners are doing about the Camaro? Haven't they always underestimated it? look at all the company's they have to get in their pocket to make the Mustang fast.Roush, saleen, shelby, Stock for stock for the most part the Camaro comes out on top. In looks and performance.
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No, I think most REAL Mustang enthusiasts understand the true capabilities of the car in comparison to the Camaro. Hell, most of us Mustang GT owners know that a 4th gen LS1 F-body is generally faster than a new Mustang GT given equal drivers and stock vs stock. I will also offer that stock vs. stock comparisons are usually only for people that don't race seriously. Nothing wrong with that, I've just been to the track enough times to realize factory stock cars are a minority.

IMHO, I think for most of us logical Mustang enthusiasts, we look at the new camaro as a chance and opportunity for Ford to finally step up to the plate with it next iteration of the Mustang. As in "competition improves the breed."
There isn't any ignoring it per se. It is just still quite awhile before we really start seeing Camaros in force on the roads, drag strips, and auto X courses. Building on that, Mustang fans are really just looking to see how Ford responds to the Camaro. Right now everyone is comparing 2005 model year car to a 2010 model year car. Which isn't completely fair in my opinion.

For the Mustang enthusiast there is a lot more to it than raw performance numbers. Similar to the Camaro. It becomes a matter of perference that was influenced by a number of factors.

As for the true hod rodding community....we don't always care about stock numbers except maybe to establish a baseline. Everyone pays to play. If you spend any time at the track, you know that most cars, no matter what they are, don't stay stock for very long.

Finally, I'll be buying a Camaro in 2010.
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No, I think most REAL Mustang enthusiasts understand the true capabilities of the car in comparison to the Camaro. Hell, most of us Mustang GT owners know that a 4th gen LS1 F-body is generally faster than a new Mustang GT given equal drivers and stock vs stock. I will also offer that stock vs. stock comparisons are usually only for people that don't race seriously. Nothing wrong with that, I've just been to the track enough times to realize factory stock cars are a minority.

IMHO, I think for most of us logical Mustang enthusiasts, we look at the new camaro as a chance and opportunity for Ford to finally step up to the plate with it next iteration of the Mustang. As in "competition improves the breed."
There isn't any ignoring it per se. It is just still quite awhile before we really start seeing Camaros in force on the roads, drag strips, and auto X courses. Building on that, Mustang fans are really just looking to see how Ford responds to the Camaro. Right now everyone is comparing 2005 model year car to a 2010 model year car. Which isn't completely fair in my opinion.

For the Mustang enthusiast there is a lot more to it than raw performance numbers. Similar to the Camaro. It becomes a matter of perference that was influenced by a number of factors.

As for the true hod rodding community....we don't always care about stock numbers except maybe to establish a baseline. Everyone pays to play. If you spend any time at the track, you know that most cars, no matter what they are, don't stay stock for very long.

Finally, I'll be buying a Camaro in 2010.


I don't like hearing the stock for stock argument. A lot of drivers like to have the underdog car and modify it to match something unexpected. While Ford Mustang drivers aren't unexpected, they will try to compete with the Camaro using the resources they have available. A lot of us on this site appear to favor GMPP for performance parts. That may give some Mustang drivers a chance to catch up at the track, since many of them will be out of warranty and seeking high-performance enhancements, including forced induction. It might not be a level playing field for those of us who don't want to risk blowing our new motors, but it is fair play on the track, and the proper changes to a 2005 Mustang GT will give it the horses necessary to match a Camaro.

Don't be cocky unless you know you can back it up. This new Camaro is incredible out of the factory. Dollar for dollar, it will beat a Mustang GT as they are today, but don't expect the Mustang that sees you at the track to be stock. If you want to win, you've got to take what Rock36 said into consideration.
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Or are they impressed? Animosity isn't the ONLY possible reaction to the car.

(Of course, I don't visit any of those forums either, so......)
I am new to this forum but have been lurking for a while. Hello All!

I frequent all of the major Mustang Forums and I'd have to say we are impressed! I personally am so impressed that I am going to order one! I currently own a 2007 GT500 and a 2007 Mustang GT, and have been a die hard Mustang guy for years, but this new Camaro has really got my attention.

Who said the GT500 looks bad? lol

I love mine, but I do think that the new Camaro will really put a hurtin on the Mustang GT sales.

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And it will still be slow.........
What would "slow" be considered to you? Just curious..
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I am new to this forum but have been lurking for a while. Hello All!

I frequent all of the major Mustang Forums and I'd have to say we are impressed! I personally am so impressed that I am going to order one! I currently own a 2007 GT500 and a 2007 Mustang GT, and have been a die hard Mustang guy for years, but this new Camaro has really got my attention.

Who said the GT500 looks bad? lol

I love mine, but I do think that the new Camaro will really put a hurtin on the Mustang GT sales.

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its not so much that the gt500 looks bad...its more that it's fugly...and has awful suspension, so much that they chose a srt8 challenger over the gt500 in a few different magazines, they said the hemi had a much more reliable torque band and stomped the stang in handling. If the challenger, which is 400+ pounds heavier than a camaro can beat the gt500 then so can a new ss. in my opinion of course. I just have trouble believing ford is selling vehicles that are out performed by cars that are 20 grand cheaper. Or maybe that's their game plan?? Either way, im getting a camaro that's all that matters. (not tryin to hate on rustangs...i just don't like em.)
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its not so much that the gt500 looks bad...its more that it's fugly...and has awful suspension, so much that they chose a srt8 challenger over the gt500 in a few different magazines, they said the hemi had a much more reliable torque band and stomped the stang in handling. If the challenger, which is 400+ pounds heavier than a camaro can beat the gt500 then so can a new ss. in my opinion of course. I just have trouble believing ford is selling vehicles that are out performed by cars that are 20 grand cheaper. Or maybe that's their game plan?? Either way, im getting a camaro that's all that matters. (not tryin to hate on rustangs...i just don't like em.)
Fugly?......Uhhhhh Fair enough..everyone is entitled to their opinion...and you know what they say about opinions.

You do sound like you are trying to hate on "rustangs." Not liking them is one thing...but I think you are a little beyond that.

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I don't like hearing the stock for stock argument.

Who races with stock anyway? Probably only some dumba**es who didn't play enough Need For Speed (or played too much) the evening before and suddenly start to think that the city is one huge racing track.

If someone wants to race with a Mustang, he probably starts with Shelby anyway

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Now that the Camaro and the Challenger are almost out (2009/2010) that leaves Ford.......what are they doing for there 2010 model ???? I have not hear any updates i the past 2 months, Like I said before this is ford here, they been here longer than GM and know when its time to kick ass, The 2010 Ford mustang GT is gonna be a sleeper, I bet 9/10 that the the GT is gonna be way north of 300 HP maybe north of 350 HP,....... kind of nervous
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Fugly?......Uhhhhh Fair enough..everyone is entitled to their opinion...and you know what they say about opinions.

You do sound like you are trying to hate on "rustangs." Not liking them is one thing...but I think you are a little beyond that.

Can't we all just get a long?
I own a Mustang GT 1998 and have loved driving it for the past 10 years. A very reliable car and even though it is not that fast compared to todays Mustangs, it does have a good amount of torque and never lets me down.. I will be happy to replace it with a GT500 killer that is $20,000 less I was going to purchase a used GT500 but after driving it and comparing it to the SRT8 Challenger, I like the Challengers suspension work a whole lot better in the turns.. The Camaro is supposed to be better than the Challenger because it is lighter and will have better balance.. In either case, I will not be getting rid of my Mustang as it will still be a reliable second car..
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The Challenger is out already. One drove by me today in the opposite lane today. It was Orange with the gun-metal stripes. It's definitely a cooler looking car than the new Charger. Seeing the new Challenger for the first time in person (even only for a slight second lol) it was cool. I can't wait to see the new camaros on the roads along with mine
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The Challenger is out already. One drove by me today in the opposite lane today. It was Orange with the gun-metal stripes. It's definitely a cooler looking car than the new Charger. Seeing the new Challenger for the first time in person (even only for a slight second lol) it was cool. I can't wait to see the new camaros on the roads along with mine
I saw my first one last weekend at a car show(Challenger). And I must confess the exterior for me scored a perfect 10. That got me thinking, that the I am going to need a new scale for the Camaro!
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I actualy Test drove one about a week ago.

sharp car with alot of power, just too big, and too plain on the inside.

honestly if you would have blindfolded me and sat me in it.. i wouldnt have been able to tell you what dodge car i was in.

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Now that the Camaro and the Challenger are almost out (2009/2010) that leaves Ford.......what are they doing for there 2010 model ???? I have not hear any updates i the past 2 months, Like I said before this is ford here, they been here longer than GM and know when its time to kick ass, The 2010 Ford mustang GT is gonna be a sleeper, I bet 9/10 that the the GT is gonna be way north of 300 HP maybe north of 350 HP,....... kind of nervous
If i were you id sleep easy. the only weapon is Ford's Arsenal that scared me was the "Boss" Mustangs. and they have cancelled that program.

it wouldnt suprise me to see them bring out a "special edition" (Nooo!!! not ford bringing out special edition mustangs!! thats so unlike them!!!) Boss mustang with north of 380 hp but for now, the mustang GT is the tortise in this comparison.
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I found THIS yesterday....
Check out the last paragraph. This author tried his darndest to badmouth the Camaro through most of the article....but then turns around and says this right at the end:
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So...not that this is the end-all article...I can't say that I'm too worried.
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I found THIS yesterday....
Check out the last paragraph. This author tried his darndest to badmouth the Camaro through most of the article....but then turns around and says this right at the end:
So...not that this is the end-all article...I can't say that I'm too worried.
That deserves a thread by it self. That was some funny stuff. Now I know that Mustang fans are pissing in their panties. That being said I still love the Mustang, maybe just not its followers.
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I found THIS yesterday....
Check out the last paragraph. This author tried his darndest to badmouth the Camaro through most of the article....but then turns around and says this right at the end:
So...not that this is the end-all article...I can't say that I'm too worried.
Very nice It is true, the V6 will only be a hair less powerful than the Mustang V8 and have better suspension with less torque being its only downside.. The V8 SS will be a monster Mustang GT killer and give a good race against a GT500 around a track even if it loses in a straight line drag race.. Overall I am excited about this Camaro and hopefully I am able to drive one of the first to come off the assembly line..with the warranty ofcourse
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Very nice It is true, the V6 will only be a hair less powerful than the Mustang V8 and have better suspension with less torque being its only downside.. The V8 SS will be a monster Mustang GT killer and give a good race against a GT500 around a track even if it loses in a straight line drag race.. Overall I am excited about this Camaro and hopefully I am able to drive one of the first to come off the assembly line..with the warranty ofcourse
A hair less powerfull???

that V6 will make 305 making it MORE POWERFULL!!!

that engine is underrated, meaning they say it makes less than it does.

aka. you get more with your Camaro V6 than any Mustang Fan has gotten with a GT in the last 4 YEARS!!!!
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I don't like hearing the stock for stock argument. A lot of drivers like to have the underdog car and modify it to match something unexpected. While Ford Mustang drivers aren't unexpected, they will try to compete with the Camaro using the resources they have available. A lot of us on this site appear to favor GMPP for performance parts. That may give some Mustang drivers a chance to catch up at the track, since many of them will be out of warranty and seeking high-performance enhancements, including forced induction. It might not be a level playing field for those of us who don't want to risk blowing our new motors, but it is fair play on the track, and the proper changes to a 2005 Mustang GT will give it the horses necessary to match a Camaro.

Don't be cocky unless you know you can back it up. This new Camaro is incredible out of the factory. Dollar for dollar, it will beat a Mustang GT as they are today, but don't expect the Mustang that sees you at the track to be stock. If you want to win, you've got to take what Rock36 said into consideration.
Actually the stock for stock argument is really the only one you can make. If you start talking mods and stuff then the sky is the limit. This thread is "Camaro vs. Mustang, not Modified Camaro vs. Modified Mustang.. That's all I am saying. Plus its all up for personal Interpretation, and preference. Having test driven Mustangs and Camaros I personally think Camaros handle and perform better.
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"Peak" horsepower is only part of the equation. The Ford V8 (which looks to be a bit underrated as well) will make significantly more torque and have a broader powerband than the DI V6.
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"Peak" horsepower is only part of the equation. The Ford V8 (which looks to be a bit underrated as well) will make significantly more torque and have a broader powerband than the DI V6.
That wont stop some guy in a V6 Camaro from talking shit to a Mustang GT fan boy haha
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