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Old 05-30-2009, 06:09 PM   #1021
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Here is what I found from Motor Trend on May 20th 2009, coming from Fords opening of the Cleveland engine plant and Fords manufacturing producers.

"EcoBoost is key to Ford's overall commitment to deliver affordable fuel efficiency for millions. By 2013, 90 percent of its North American nameplates will be available with the engine technologies in V-6 and I-4 applications. Next year, a V-6 EcoBoost engine will be available for the Ford F-150."

I would think the Mustang will be one of the 90%, maybe.

I would just about bet my last dollar Mustang will get an Ecoboost engine, I just don't see that engine being the 3.5L Ecoboost V6. My guess? When ready the 2.5L EB four will replace the naturally aspirated 3.5L V6 which itself is almost certainly going to supplant the current 4.0L V6 within the next year or so. And that would be no bad thing. Relative to the naturally aspirated 3.5L V5 A 2.5L Ecoboost four would probably produce about the same horsepower, similar torque with a much better torque curve, and provide at least slightly better fuel economy while likely costing less to build...even with a turbo...than the relatively complex V6 engine does.

By the 2012MY my money says the Mustang engine lineup will look like this.....

Base: 265-275hp 3.5L V6
GT: 405-425hp 5.0L V8
GT500: 585-625hp 5.4L V8

By the time the next new Mustang debuts, which will be around 2014, my guess says

Base: 265-285hp 2.5L EB I4
GT: 405-425hp 5.0L V8
GT500: 5.0L GTDi V8 with more power than the law should allow.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:25 PM   #1022
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[/QUOTE]GT500: 5.0L GTDi V8 with more power than the law should allow.[/QUOTE]


LOL, i like the sound of that
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:39 PM   #1023
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heck the law might not allow it by then
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:11 AM   #1024
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all electric mustang to come. LOL
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:23 AM   #1025
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:25 AM   #1026
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There's some truth to this. Buy your muscle car now guys, you may not be able to before you know it.
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Old 06-03-2009, 02:11 PM   #1027
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:59 PM   #1028
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Camaro SS Trumps Mustang GT



Yesterday I drove the Camaro SS shown above. It has the 2SS & RS packages and cyber gray stripes along with a 6-speed manual transmission.

The first thing I noticed was the cyber gray stripes glittering in the sun. They are not like the flat-black stripes; these have metal flakes embedded in them. Very nice.

I drove out of the dealership mildly. This car is very easy to drive. It would make a fine daily driver. I drove down a long, slow road that had a lot of traffic. I did not encounter the skip-shift program even though I drove the car mildly. The interior was amazingly quiet.

The salesman directed me to a highway onramp and I pressed the throttle about halfway down. Immediately the car came to life. It changed its demeanor from a mild-mannered cruiser to testosterone-filled bruiser.

The engine/exhaust sounds came alive with a nice roar and the car pulled forward nicely. I slowed down around a kink in the onramp (not wanting to wreck the beautiful beast) and then got back on the throttle halfway down again. We cruised through a smooth sweeping arc with zero body roll and hit 60+ quickly. Cruising with traffic was easy, almost like idling.

We got off the highway and drove onto a main road. I pressed the throttle about one-quarter of the way down. Again, the engine/exhaust roared to life and it sounded great. The Camaro pulled forward effortlessly.

The steering felt great. It is very tight, very precise, nicely weighted -- almost as good as a BMW 135i with Sport Package. We cruised quietly, easily back to the dealer.

Here are my impressions of this Camaro:

1) The exterior appearance is outstanding. I think it is one of the best looking cars on the market. There are more expensive cars available, but in terms of muscular beauty, I can't think of any that look better.

2) The interior is very nice. I have driven a 2010 Mustang GT but I like the Camaro SS interior better. It is stylish without being overdone. The Mustang's interior is just a little too busy for my tastes compared with the Camaro. In the Mustang's defense, it was a GT Premium without the Premier Interior option. The Premier Interior option really brings the Mustang GT upscale.

3) The outward visibility is severely restricted. I suppose most drivers will get used to it, but I felt uncomfortable with the small front and side windows, plus the roof pillars & mirror blocking precious outward views. Drivers must learn how to use their side-view mirrors properly to make lane changes.

4) The engine power feels good, although I did not floor it. Frankly, this car feels and sounds better than the new Mustang GT from inside, at least to me, regardless what Car & Driver magazine says. The 2010 Mustang GT sounds good but it has more bark than bite. The Camaro SS sounds mean and looks mean...and is mean.

5) The steering feels really good. The firmness of the Camaro's steering and the car's response to driver input are better than I expected and really impressed me. This car does not feel like it weighs almost two tons, at least when driving it mildly. I prefer the Camaro's steering feel & response to the Mustang's, although I drove a 2010 Mustang GT without the Track Pack option.

6) The brakes felt fine. In fact they were so good that I never even considered them -- never worried that I would not be able to stop a nearly two-ton car in motion. I didn't drive this car hard enough to really test the big Brembo brakes, but I have no reason to be suspicious of them.

7) Overall this Camaro SS is superb for driving on public roads. I cannot comment on its race-track performance because I did not drive it on one. I suppose with some modifications -- gears, exhaust, camshaft, tune, sways, springs, shocks -- it would perform superbly on a race track too.

In my view the 2010 Camaro SS is a better car for the money than the Mustang GT. A 2010 Mustang GT Premium with Premier Interior & Track Pack options has an MSRP within $1000 of a 2SS Camaro. For nearly the same price, the Camaro has striking good looks, a Corvette engine, a Viper transmission, 'Ring-tuned suspension, Brembo brakes all around, massive wheels & tires...

Indeed, the Camaro is forcing the Mustang to hit the gym HARD. I suspect the Mustang will emerge from the gym next year with new muscle -- ready to flex, pose and compete directly with this powerhouse LS3 Camaro. Until then, the Camaro is King.

Here is my summary of the 2010 Camaro SS:

Highs: Attention-grabbing styling, pleasurable interior, all the right sounds, great drivability
Lows: Outward view, balky shifter, odd ergonomics (door locks & handle locations), too much mass
Verdict: The best Camaro ever? YES!

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Old 06-07-2009, 06:42 PM   #1030
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:46 PM   #1031
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Nice review, it sounds surprisingly fair. Everything's always down to personal preference, obviously, but you definitely highlighted both the pro's and the con's of the car and that's nice to hear for once.

Just curious, were you interested in the Mustang GT or just driving it as a comparison?
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:52 PM   #1032
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Great review! Thanks for the info!
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Are the rally stripes painted on or vinyl?
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:17 PM   #1034
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Black with Cyber Grey stripes looks amazing. I really need a test drive. Someone get me an automatic SS. I want to contribute to the my-review-clearly-shows-how-the-Camaro-is-superior-to-the-competition pool.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:34 PM   #1036
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Thanks, you helped me make my final decision. I was trying to decide between Cyber Grey and Silver Rally Stripes. Based on your pictures, I am going with the Cyber Grey.
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