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Hate it. Plain and simple. 11 7.19%
Improvement... but not my cup of Tea 27 17.65%
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:03 PM   #103
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Actually the stock for stock argument is really the only one you can make. If you start talking mods and stuff then the sky is the limit. This thread is "Camaro vs. Mustang, not Modified Camaro vs. Modified Mustang.. That's all I am saying. Plus its all up for personal Interpretation, and preference. Having test driven Mustangs and Camaros I personally think Camaros handle and perform better.
You can argue on engine potential, but those arguments are very complicated and difficult to prove. For example, if I can prove that a Camaro benefits more than a Mustang with a certain type of intake, then I can prove that GM designed the motor with more untapped potential in the intake of the car. To prove that one car has the most potential would require researching just about every horsepower-producing component and showing that one car has the most untapped potential.

Clearly, this argument would take a PhD in physics and would require way too much time, so I guess it makes sense that no one uses it.
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:09 PM   #104
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i think when the camaro comes out first thing what every 1 gunna do that owes a mustang or corvette(maybe) sell there mustang or corvette nd go buy the camaro
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:18 PM   #105
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You can argue on engine potential, but those arguments are very complicated and difficult to prove. For example, if I can prove that a Camaro benefits more than a Mustang with a certain type of intake, then I can prove that GM designed the motor with more untapped potential in the intake of the car. To prove that one car has the most potential would require researching just about every horsepower-producing component and showing that one car has the most untapped potential.

Clearly, this argument would take a PhD in physics and would require way too much time, so I guess it makes sense that no one uses it.
I wasn't referring to anything like that, hence the STOCK part. I'm not talking about racing, track, drag, ect. I'm referring to the cars as they come off the factory floor.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:53 PM   #106
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If nothing else the Camaro should spur Ford into developing a better Mustang. Comeptition is a good thing for all consumers.
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:03 AM   #107
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Ford is supposed to be coming out with a DI 5.0 making at least 400hp.....but not until 2011....we think. The Mustang will be lighter by 300-400lbs. It should be a good match once the 5.0 comes out.
Not to suggest that GM is ahead of Ford on the technology scale... but im sure GM will have a formidable anwser for that problem way before it comes up
(if it even exists...)

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Old 07-21-2008, 07:59 AM   #108
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see base v8 will be 500 then z28 650 and the vette will be 860 hp
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:50 PM   #109
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If nothing else the Camaro should spur Ford into developing a better Mustang. Comeptition is a good thing for all consumers.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:55 PM   #110
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And it would therefore be a heavier and more expensive mustang if it needs to change to "keep up" with the Camaro, content and technology wise...

Actually, how many air bags does the Mustang currently have and what are the crash ratings?
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Old 07-21-2008, 09:27 PM   #111
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You know, that bumper sticker doesn't look so bad there...
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Why would you chop a camaro from Alabama? Why not ATL? or Miami beach? or San Diego, where people do stuff to their cars to increase impressiveness.
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Old 07-25-2008, 05:31 PM   #113
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HMMM think I'll stick with mine
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Old 07-26-2008, 12:01 AM   #114
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HMMM think I'll stick with mine
hmm i think mine will beat yours... with that car being your TOP Mustang from the Ford factory you're gonna be a hurtin' puppy come February... Just imagine it in Imperial Blue and you have my brand new baby...
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Old 07-26-2008, 12:48 AM   #115
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The 0-60 times below may not be 100% accurate so correct me if you find something wrong. The V6 time i put below is an estimate based on what we know of the engine in the CTS.. I looked at multiple sources about the mustang times so they are pretty accurate..


Well 0-60 should be below 6 seconds for the V6 Camaro as that is what the CTS can do it in..
The V8 automatic got the 0-60 in 4.6 seconds with some tuning while the manual got 4.9 seconds according to the latest info we all received this last week as you all should know already .

"The aluminum 4.6L SOHC V8 engine on the Mustang GT sports a 3-valves-per-cylinder head arrangement. The resulting output? 300 horses and 320 lb.-ft. of torque. Or, if you prefer, 0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds.* Blink at your own risk.
*Road & Track, April 2005." according to Road and Track testing.

A 2007 GT350 does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds while a stock 2007 GT does it in 4.9, the same as in 2005..

The V6 mustang in 2007 does it in 6.3 with a skilled driver on a manual at the fastest and that time may not be stock. Most of the 0-60 times for the V6 come around 6.6 for the V6 Mustang which puts the V6 Camaro at 300HP ahead by a wide margin..


Just to get a feel for what to expect with power and what was considered lots of power and speed just a few years ago.. This is a good read below..

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=104572

Model Year: 2003
Make: Ford
Model: Mustang
Style SVT Cobra
Base Price: $33,125
Price as Tested: $47,033
Drive Type: RWD
Transmission Type: 6-speed manual
Displacement (liters): 4.6
Engine Type: DOHC Supercharged V8
Claimed Horsepower: 601 at rear wheels, 690 at the flywheel
Claimed Torque: 529 at rear wheels, 620 at the flywheel

"We recorded a best run of 12.8 seconds at 120 mph, and our best 0-60-mph time was 4.7 seconds."

0-60 time of 4.7 seconds for the SVT above..

Now this a 2003 SVT Cobra priced at $47,000 with extra's and being $33,000 stock... Five years later and the stock automatic V8 Camaro will do 0-60 in 4.6 for under $30,000 and be able to beat this amazing Mustang SVT Cobra that is lighter and has more Horsepower to boot in a straight line. And will have IRS as well.. Around a track with curves, the Camaro should be more agile because of a better IRS. This SVT above does have IRS but if I recall, they never fit perfectly on these older SVT's but at least they had them... So the V8 and the V6 will be great buys when competing within their own price range of sports cars..
I posted this above in the thread below. Perhaps I should have posted it here..
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...?t=5289&page=3
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Old 07-26-2008, 02:02 AM   #116
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Here what I would do with the Mustang to compete against the powerfull design of the Camaro:



lol completely joking... i had to do it.
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You know, that bumper sticker doesn't look so bad there...
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Why would you chop a camaro from Alabama? Why not ATL? or Miami beach? or San Diego, where people do stuff to their cars to increase impressiveness.
This past weekend I saw one of the new Challengers for the first time. It was sitting in a driveway along with a pimped-out mack daddy Escalade, and the Challenger was dressed up to compliment the Caddy with matching gigantic pimp rims on it and other bits of gaudy jewelry on it. I nearly wept.
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hmm i think mine will beat yours... with that car being your TOP Mustang from the Ford factory you're gonna be a hurtin' puppy come February... Just imagine it in Imperial Blue and you have my brand new baby...
well from what I"m already reading the 2010 mustangs will have more hp then the camaro. You'll have the twin turbo for the v6, and you'll have I believe the 5.7 for the v8. Waiting this long to come out might have hurt them cause the others know what they need more of. I can't wait to be at the track having all 3 muscle cars there racing, it'll be lots of fun.
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