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Old 08-03-2008, 03:14 AM   #1
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L99 AFM -- It's REALLY a tough choice, for some. Step Inside.

Soooo....with the L99 we get an "Eco" engine thats only rated about -20 HP over the regular LS3. And, we get an auto with "optimized" shift points that BEATS that same engine by a 10/th or so in 1/4 mile times. And, we will get BETTER economy for those that will drive it daily, and not look for the next "Stang to beat." : -p

For those that ALREADY drive an auto --- would you be willing to learn a manual, and get that extra 20 HP, and be more open to the modifications that can take it to 500+ HP?

Yes, the manual is more "fun," and it takes a steady discipline to get the rev-matches and "short-shifting" right. And, the manual LS3 WILL eventually beat the "projected" automatic times in the end, with a great driver.

But until then, if the PRICE is equal, or LESS than the LS3 manual, is it worth getting the "guzzler" over the "green V8?"

I am sincerely torn over the options Chevy have given me.

I guess it boils down to: Can the L99 be modified, while retaining the AFM features, to meet the LS3 mods?

I've been saying for a long time - that while I'd prefer to finally own and learn a stick - if the auto can hang with the "mods," why bother with a stick???????

Please, let's not get into a "automatic is for poozies" discussion -- I've been there. Let's discuss the fuel savings, the performance, and the "mod-friendly" factors.

I'm still leaning towards the manual LS3. But, I need some discussion that legitimately talks me OUT of the L99 Auto.

What do you die-hard gear-heads have to say? :seesaw:
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:27 AM   #2
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I like the auto, so there won't be any talking me out of it. It just fits my needs better.

I believe the LS3 cam-swap is not possible with the L99. Aftermarket is already available for the LS3 and the L99 is not established yet, so that might be what you want.
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worse comes to worse, if a cam swap would negate the AFM, so be it. port the heads, throw a cam and some headers and a CAI at it. and keep that auto on top.
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Again, its a TOUGH choice. From these replies, the L99 AFM is TOUGH to beat........

I'm guessing if you want to mod, the AFM L99 is NOT what you want. BUT..................
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I'm guessing if you want to mod, the AFM L99 is NOT what you want. YET..................
fixed that for ya.
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fixed that for ya.
Spike is da Chevy Engine Man. "..A True HotRodder wouldn't be content untill he had created a car so violent, so totally sick, that the act of dropping the hammer would result in instant death. Anything less results in the need to go -- faster. "

I hear ya, it's too early to tell, regarding the "mods factor." Until then... I will be

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Spike is da Chevy Engine Man. "..A True HotRodder wouldn't be content untill he had created a car so violent, so totally sick, that the act of dropping the hammer would result in instant death. Anything less results in the need to go -- faster. "

I hear ya, it's too early to tell, regarding the "mods factor." Until then... I will be



danke. as ive said before, the only time you have too much power is when you are busting the wheels loose at idle...

even tho that goes against my other saying of
it doesnt matter how much power you have if you cant get it to the ground. lol
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:48 AM   #8
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If you want an easy rider, get the auto.. If you want to row gears and have more fun while driving, get the manual. It doesn't matter if one is a tenth faster or slower, you will not notice the difference unless you are the type of person who takes the car to the drag-strip.
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:39 AM   #9
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From my experience there is a way to have both. It's called N20. A dry system will set you back about $500 and can be installed in an afternoon. Most V8s can handle a 150hp and can be activated only at WOT. I have seen many cars making over 600hp using autos. I believe this will give you everything you want. It will give you great HP, everyday driveability and you can have the auto.
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Well the paddle shifters will take care of any fun you might want to have. In stop and go traffic you won't want the manual. 20hp isn't a big deal, a CAI and tune should get you there.
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As far as moding an afm engine, I would look at Charger forums. The R/T comes with Dodges equivelent system, mds. That should give an idea of what can and can't be done the system. Or go to G8 forums, but they haven't had as much time to play as the mopar guys have.
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As far as moding an afm engine, I would look at Charger forums. The R/T comes with Dodges equivelent system, mds. That should give an idea of what can and can't be done the system. Or go to G8 forums, but they haven't had as much time to play as the mopar guys have.

I heard its easy to turn off the MDS, you hook a Diablo/computer up and have somebody know what there doing to it for you, shouldn't be to hard with the L99

Hey whats sounds better:

Chrysler's Muti-Displacement System

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If you want an easy rider, get the auto.. If you want to row gears and have more fun while driving, get the manual. It doesn't matter if one is a tenth faster or slower, you will not notice the difference unless you are the type of person who takes the car to the drag-strip.
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I am also torn with this decision because of course I want my HP and decent gas mileage but I love driving manual and honestly get bored with an auto but im not a hater and open to all options. If the L99 has fuel savings greater than 30mpg I may just go with it but if it in reality only gets a few more than the LS3, im fine with 23mpg and im sure I can squeeze a few more from it.
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I'm glad that we have the choice now. I will have to check both out. Mean while price is my biggest factor when choosing which Camaro I want but then I do want to save on gas. Goes back to the hybrid discussion. It will take you the life of the car to get what you saved in gas to what you saved spent in the hybrid version.

The first car a bought was a rx-8 stick, used. Manuals with this car are pricier 'cause of the extra power you get in the stick version. But the autos are tipically more expensive in pretty much every other car you buy. This will be the case again. With what I save in gas, I will pay in auto tranny. With what I save in auto tranny, I will spend it gas. So, for me, it will be strickly price, performance and feel. That may change as it will be a year before I buy one and I will have more money by then.

I want a stick but I like to see what a paddle shifting muscle car feels like first.
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I heard its easy to turn off the MDS, you hook a Diablo/computer up and have somebody know what there doing to it for you, shouldn't be to hard with the L99

Hey whats sounds better:

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3) Displacement on Demand
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3) Displacement on Demand
Is that the name for it, and people just use AFM for a nick name, I was puzzled when I was reading an Impala Manual
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I understand where you're coming from. When GM first released all the specs I was a bit upset to see that those interested in the manuals couldn't get AFM (although I understand it wouldn't work).

However, once you've mastered the stick you should be able to get the same fuel savings as the auto L99. It should also be a bit cheaper because, if I remember all the literature correctly, the automatic is still considered an "option" that would up the price a bit. And frankly I don't see paddle-shifters equaling the fun of a true automatic.

In short the auto L99 will cost you a bit more up front probably, won't save you that much more fuel, and will limit the amount of fun you can have with a V8.

It would be more convenient in traffic though...
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Is that the name for it, and people just use AFM for a nick name, I was puzzled when I was reading an Impala Manual
Displacement on Demand is the old name, GM changed it to Active Fuel Management. I think it sounds better than the other two, and there would probably be less aversion to DOD than AFM for the Camaro, at least on this site.
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In short the auto L99 will cost you a bit more up front probably, won't save you that much more fuel, and will limit the amount of fun you can have with a V8.

It would be more convenient in traffic though...
and you'd still have a 400hp V-8 SS Camaro...
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and you'd still have a 400hp V-8 SS Camaro...
I figured that went without saying...
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Is there something in the lifters that makes them have problems with high lift cams, or maybe the system that distributes/controls the oil for the lifters is not compatible with a more radical lobe design.

I think the cam is the main difference between the two motors and that is where your 22 HP comes from.

If the lifters in the L99 are limited (or heavier) from the factory than the LS3 is for me.
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I figured that went without saying...
well, apparently it doesnt for most people on here.


they keep pissing and moaning about "oh, i want 734927hp and it only cost $15,000.00 and gets 5000mpg"

but im mainly ranting on the 9000 members that joined in the last couple weeks or so just blabbing about everything that we've already discussed about the car without searching. it takes me about half an hour just to filter thru all the stupid posts till i find a post worthy of reading...like yours for instance. lol
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well, apparently it doesnt for most people on here.


they keep pissing and moaning about "oh, i want 734927hp and it only cost $15,000.00 and gets 5000mpg"

but im mainly ranting on the 9000 members that joined in the last couple weeks or so just blabbing about everything that we've already discussed about the car without searching. it takes me about half an hour just to filter thru all the stupid posts till i find a post worthy of reading...like yours for instance. lol
Amen to that, this is bullshi#, and I'm using firefox
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Amen to that, this is bullshi#, and I'm using firefox
and you joined earlier this year so you have no room to talk!!!


just messin with ya. i know you've brought plenty of good info to the boards since you've been here.
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