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Old 12-24-2009, 05:23 PM   #1
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Pro Charger or TVS 2300 Maggie!

Hi Everyone,
i finally have the funds to install a SC and contacted a local performance shop to have a TVS2300 SC installed in my L99 SS Camaro. After discussing different headers and exhaust that I wanted him to install (Kooks headers, Corsa catback exhaust), he highly recommended that I have the Pro Charger installed instead fo the TVS2300. His reasoning is that a Pro Charge will produce more hp at the same psi as a 2300? Also, he can do any repairs on the Pro Charger locally versus the 2300 which would have to be shipped back to the mainland for repair. Because of the downtime required for any future repairs on the 2300, I am swaying to the Pro Charger. Seems like most posts are on the 2300 which is why I was going that way since it seemed reliable and didnt read any negative comments concerning that type of SC.

My question, what do you think of the Pro Charger? Should I stick with my initial thoughts and go with the 2300? or go ahead and have him install the Pro Charger? Are they basically the same?

Living on an island restricts availability on the number of performance shops. This is the only one i found that does SC installs locally.

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Old 12-24-2009, 07:32 PM   #2
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I have thousands of miles on two Magnuson blowers. No problems yet. I haven't heard of a broken Magnuson blower either.

If you have 10 psi available, the maggie will give it to you under 3000 rpm and maintain it to redline. Other blower will eventually get to 10 psi. Why wait when you can have big boost just over idle? For a street blower, it's nuts to go with a system that makes you wait for rpm to see boost.

This ought to be fun
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:52 PM   #3
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It's really up to what you want.The TVS is a nice blower and so is the Procharger.The trend on this board is TVS but you'll see the other blowers start to mix in within time.

We've been building Vette's for a long time.For blowers the centrifical like Procharger is alot more used than a Magnacharger.
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We've been building Vette's for a long time.For blowers the centrifical like Procharger is alot more used than a Magnacharger.
You forgot to say you're also one of the best LS tuners in US!
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Never heard of a maggie breaking either. Go with what you feel is best. Maggie will give you more power low and that nice supercharger whine, procharger will probably give you more top end power and whatever sound it is they make hahaha.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:06 PM   #6
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I would do TVS, look and sound great...
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:11 PM   #7
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You've waited this long. Why don't you wait another month to see what Whipple and KB have to offer. Two other great PD S/C!
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:36 PM   #8
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You've waited this long. Why don't you wait another month to see what Whipple and KB have to offer. Two other great PD S/C!
Throw Edelbrock in there too. Problem is......no telling when any of them will actually bring a product to market. Procharger and Maggie are there now. Props to them. I wouldn't wait on promises. Likely, they won't be better than what's available now anyway. Either blower is capable of making way more power than anyone can harness on the street. The Maggie will make it at part throttle in an rpm band that's very usable on the street.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:41 PM   #9
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You've waited this long. Why don't you wait another month to see what Whipple and KB have to offer. Two other great PD S/C!
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:44 PM   #10
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Thanks guys!
Great input. I wasnt aware that the Maggie had power at the lower rpm range vs Pro Charger.

They do alot of forced induction for corvettes and camaros on island as well as anything else for a performance car. I think they are comfortable installing Pro Chargers and getting the most out of them compared to the Magnacharger.

The camaro is my hobby fun car and looking more for low end torque vs top speed since we dont "officially" have a track until end of 2010. I just love the torque from 0-60 mph!

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Old 12-24-2009, 09:03 PM   #11
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... or Edlebrock
Sorry, I missed that one. No offense to Edelbrock!
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:38 PM   #12
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go with the maggie, I had a procharger on my '04 GTO and it was great at the track. On the street it wasn't all that good but at the track Going maggie on my Camaro for better throttle reponse on the street.

just my .02

by the way I had 13lbs of boost with a lot of stuff done and made 581rwhp
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:31 PM   #13
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Over 500ft/lbs of Tq. by 3k RPM is fun.
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Old 12-24-2009, 10:55 PM   #14
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Over 500ft/lbs of Tq. by 3k RPM is fun.
That's really not fair. The dyno shows big power in an rpm range where someone actually drives. Shhhhh. That ain't right......
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:21 AM   #15
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I have done both countless times on GTOs,Vettes,Camaros, etc.Although the one big thing everyone here is not considering is that a Camaro with a stock tire combo, or same size aftermarket radial, cannot use that extra hit of torque. It does nothing but blow the tires off everywhere you go. That is cool for some people but that guy next you with a procharger and 2lbs less peak boost is gonna leave you standing. I like the Procharger and Vortechs. They help with traction by NOT getting that instant hit and they have a much cooler intake charge. Maggies are very cool looking though.
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Between the 2, I would do Pro-Charger all day long. Just a personal preference.
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Old 12-25-2009, 11:44 AM   #17
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dont forget the procharger has to have an oil change every 5k miles or so. Maggies is 100k miles. I say tvs2300 all the way
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The decision comes down to what you want out of your car.
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:48 PM   #19
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Great Input!

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The decision comes down to what you want out of your car.
I would say 95% use on the street. Looking actually for more torque than hp if that makes sense. I enjoy the thrill of pulling g's when I hit the gas pedal from a standing start and passing cars. Very doubtful of ever hitting top end speed.

There is a track (finally) opening up end of 2010, but not sure if its a drag strip or an actual track. If it does happen, then will use the car on the track for some fun on the weekends. (this is where the 5% comes from)

Was wondering if you can have two different tunes setup for the car. One for track and one for street? Is it possible to have a switch to go back and forth between the two so that when I go to the track, I just push a switch to install the track tune? Just wondering.

So far, sounding like the Maggie is what I am looking for, unless the procharger can be tuned to use more of the lower rpm range like the maggie for street use.

Also waiting to see if Pedders does show up here in Hawaii for the suspension certifications so that I can take advantage of that. So far not enough cars to certify for him to fly out here to make it worthwhile.

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I would say 95% use on the street. Looking actually for more torque than hp if that makes sense. I enjoy the thrill of pulling g's when I hit the gas pedal from a standing start and passing cars. Very doubtful of ever hitting top end speed.

There is a track (finally) opening up end of 2010, but not sure if its a drag strip or an actual track. If it does happen, then will use the car on the track for some fun on the weekends. (this is where the 5% comes from)

Was wondering if you can have two different tunes setup for the car. One for track and one for street? Is it possible to have a switch to go back and forth between the two so that when I go to the track, I just push a switch to install the track tune? Just wondering.

So far, sounding like the Maggie is what I am looking for, unless the procharger can be tuned to use more of the lower rpm range like the maggie for street use.

Also waiting to see if Pedders does show up here in Hawaii for the suspension certifications so that I can take advantage of that. So far not enough cars to certify for him to fly out here to make it worthwhile.

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Go with the TVS. You won't need two tunes. If the tune is done right the first time, you won't have a problem on the street or the track. The only problem you might encounter is that ugly low end power that the TVS makes. Horrible stuff. It's fairly easily solved with your right foot. Just don't mash the go pedal too hard at low speeds if you don't have the rubber to hook it. It's a farily complicated fix, but I bet you can handle it. The procharger's lack of low end pull isn't as easily fixed. No matter how hard you mash the accelerator pedal, it won't respond like the TVS.

What makes the TVS so fine on the street is the part throttle responsiveness that's available. You don't need 5000 rpm to feel the extra pull. It's available just over idle. It's like having a well built 600 cid big block under the hood that sips fuel like a small block when you set the cruise control.

If I were building a 900hp mostly track car, a procharger would be my first choice. On the street, it's another story.
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I agree I would go with the Maggie on the street. I have TVS 2300 and agree that it is hard to not spin the factory tires. Just have control and dont floor it. So I just installed a set of wider street tires and bought a set of drag radials for the track.
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:49 AM   #22
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Keep in mind the new camaro is a pig,close to 4000 lbs,so the recomendation for a centrifical in anything thats less than 4000 lbs is pointless.The tvs will make top end power as well,this is a new desighn and doesnt fall off like previous models.For the new camaro i think you will be alot happier with the 2300 .If we can make you a great package deal on the 2300 and a set of our pro axles give us a call Hendrix-Engineering 980-521-0722
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Old 12-26-2009, 02:32 PM   #23
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Take a look at the torque we got with a TVS 2300 on an '08 Hummer H2. This 7000 lb monster on 35" tires blows all four tires off frm a standing start. Here is a link to it.
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:11 AM   #24
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Well, I guess the Maggie is for me!

Especially since I was looking for something to give me a harder push (accelleration) from idle to 60 in the lower rpm rangee. Glad I started this thread because it gave me alot of info on the Maggie and Procharger that I didnt know before that was useful in making a decision. I'll be giving them a call after the new years to have them order the parts. Again, thanks for your input!

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Old 12-27-2009, 03:19 AM   #25
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Maggies are like 6 banger mustangs. Everywhere. Every lame special edition car has them now. I could make my own special edition car and throw a maggie on it. BFD. I want a h/c car at least.

But to stay on topic I would go procharger, especially with a stalled auto.
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