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Old 12-29-2009, 10:15 AM   #1
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Best lowering springs for maro

What are the best riding lowering springs for the 5th gen? Ive had lowered cars previous all srt4 neon's and i would have to say the tein h techs are the by far the best riding lowering springs Ive owned. i want a aggressive stance with the stock wheels 20inch and something that wont kill my struts any suggestions pics would be awesome too!!
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:36 AM   #2
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well i would have to say from what i noticed on my tc i would say vogtland. german suspension. the tein are a cheap china suspension. i mean to be frank what do you see on race cars, KW,Eibach,megan suspension. now for vogtland there more for the euro cars so think m3, how are they stock? well i would say better the camaros stock on a road course.

ok enough with that ummm some one else on here got a set of vogtland for there camaro since mine was not drive able at the time and he post'ed about it and he loves them. as for me i love them on my tc i take corners harder then i did with the eibach's. also i can get you a discount just let me know. i would say for a full set of springs about 2bills maybe less have to check the price.

also do you want to track your car or daily drive comfort?

that also will help cause they have like three options. i went with adjustable dampers and there springs for daily driving on my tc.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:42 AM   #3
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:43 AM   #4
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ill be daily driving thats why i want a good stance with comfort
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:52 AM   #5
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:16 AM   #6
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I've been looking for some as well. What i've come up with is, you need to figure out how low you want to go. The Pfadt and one of the Pedders springs drop about 1.25in which is pretty low if you have any clearance issues that you see daily. Like a bump to get into your driveway or something like that. These drop you car to a very nice looking height though and most report that the ride isn't affected to harshly. Eibachs and i'm thinking the other set of Pedders drops it about 1in. That should clear most obstacles but that depends on what they might be. This stance looks good but does have a small amount of fender gap. The ride is reported as being not too bad either. There are others that drop as low as 1.5in which is VERY LOW for this car. None of these have issues with tire rub although you may or may not have issues getting the proper alignment after dropping it very low. I'd suggest you browse around the forum and look at peoples cars that are dropped to see which stance you like and can live with. Most of the guys have done a good job in giving their review of them but always remember that it's THEIR opinion and ride quality is VERY subjective.
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Pedders 1" drop springs have a nice look and not so low that it takes the ride away
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:43 PM   #8
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Pfadt. Great stance, improved feedback, still very comfortable ride
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:12 PM   #9
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I see someone said Vogtland. I believe they're about to come out with their springs for the camaro. They've been doing prototypes recently. I don't know if its still true, but I know back in the day several NASCAR teams used their coils. Which means absolutely nothing to me, but might to someone.
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:31 PM   #10
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Pfadt looks like what ill be going with...Is it hard to do this in a garage with proper tools? I mean i did my previous cars and no problem. Also will i need a camber kit with these? I want to have a set that after i lower it i wont kill my tires within a few months. Thanks
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:49 AM   #11
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Pfadt looks like what ill be going with...Is it hard to do this in a garage with proper tools? I mean i did my previous cars and no problem. Also will i need a camber kit with these? I want to have a set that after i lower it i wont kill my tires within a few months. Thanks

the kit does not need a camber kit...after intall i took my car to the dealer to align and they got it within specs with no problem......they only charged me $69.00 for the alignment
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:42 PM   #12
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the kit does not need a camber kit...after intall i took my car to the dealer to align and they got it within specs with no problem......they only charged me $69.00 for the alignment
Any drop coil and the lower the it goes the more it changes, will increase negative cambers. Increasing negative cambers in the back end increases understeer. Pedders has done a very serious amount of testing on all kinds of installation variations. If you are only interested in getting the suspension into specs, then that is fine. But if you are interested in optimizing your alignment for the best handling you can do with great tire wear, then you will need to reduce the rear negative camber lower than what the OE eccentrics will allow. So it is up to you what you want.


Adding a degree of positive caster to the front is a big plus as well.

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Old 01-01-2010, 08:09 PM   #13
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Hey guys, thank you for posting-up with your Pfadt products and recommendations! Glad everyone is happy with them.

mtm864: There is a great write-up by FrankT here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56127

He covers tools needed and steps involved in the installation. If you have any other questions about the process, please do not hesitate to give us a ring!
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:07 PM   #14
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will the pfadts blow out your struts alot sooner?
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:36 PM   #15
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Also whats everyones input on eibach pro kit springs?
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:08 AM   #16
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will the pfadts blow out your struts alot sooner?
Hi TJ91,

No, Pfadt sport springs will not cause your struts to wear prematurely. I'd like to briefly explain why.

Struts are designed to work off of resisting shaft velocity, by forcing oil through a restriction (or two) attached to the shaft to provide the damping force. No component of the strut is engineered to be height dependent, but rather they are velocity dependent. For a hypothetical example, lets say the total travel of the strut from fully compressed to fully extended is 10", and the static height, or ride height, is right in the middle, at 5". That means you can have 5" of bump (or compression), and 5 inches of droop (or rebound). But lets say in a typical street car, the operating range that your strut will see is 3" of bump, and 3" of rebound. That means that by installing our drop springs, you are effectively just offsetting the operating range of the strut (from the middle, or 5", to 1" lower, or 4"). This means you are still maintaining the full range of bump/droop operation, just at a lower static level of the strut. All of the forces are still exactly the same in the strut. There is no more pressure on the seals, and no more forces on the bushings to cause abnormal wear.

I hope this example illustrates how installing 1" (or thereabouts) drop springs, will not effect the life of your struts. If someone is telling you that drop springs will wear out your struts faster, they are probably trying to upsell you coilovers.

As always, Im here to answer any more questions you have regarding our products.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:26 PM   #17
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What are the best riding lowering springs for the 5th gen? Ive had lowered cars previous all srt4 neon's and i would have to say the tein h techs are the by far the best riding lowering springs Ive owned. i want a aggressive stance with the stock wheels 20inch and something that wont kill my struts any suggestions pics would be awesome too!!
This is a well timed post for us! Everybody likes choices right? We've got another to add to your list. We started designing the Hotchkis Sport Spring for the 2010 Camaro nearly six months ago, and took extra time because it posed a challenge: many standard lowering springs in this particular suspension design caused either noise, bind or a harsh ride. After hundreds of hours of R&D and several track tests we feel that the new Hotchkis Sport Spring offers the perfect balance of a sporty yet comfortable ride, excellent performance and a fantastic stance.



They're also made here in the USA and will be ready ship this week.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:37 PM   #18
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price/drop on the Hotchkis?
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Old 01-07-2010, 12:52 AM   #19
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the kit does not need a camber kit...after intall i took my car to the dealer to align and they got it within specs with no problem......they only charged me $69.00 for the alignment
I also installed the Pfadt lowering springs and my alignment shop could only get the rear camber to -0.9 before the stock adjustment bolts maxed out. $69 is also a great price for 4 wheel alignment; my shop charged $150!
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:25 AM   #20
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Pfadt springs and swaybars! Remarkable difference in handling, along with perfect height. After undoing the endlinks and mounts off the front swaybar, my shop, CarNutz Customz only took 5 minutes to angle it off the car.

Pfadt products are awesome!
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:26 AM   #21
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I put on the Eibachs and love them. Great ride quality, pretty much like stock except for cornering is greatly improved. They drop the car 1" and the shop had no issues aligning it. I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever brand you go with. I've had Eibachs in the past and have always been happy with them so I stuck with what I knew. Picked them up for $194 shipped online.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:48 AM   #22
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yeah, price/drop for these hotchkis springs?
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Hi TJ91,

No, Pfadt sport springs will not cause your struts to wear prematurely. I'd like to briefly explain why.

Struts are designed to work off of resisting shaft velocity, by forcing oil through a restriction (or two) attached to the shaft to provide the damping force. No component of the strut is engineered to be height dependent, but rather they are velocity dependent. For a hypothetical example, lets say the total travel of the strut from fully compressed to fully extended is 10", and the static height, or ride height, is right in the middle, at 5". That means you can have 5" of bump (or compression), and 5 inches of droop (or rebound). But lets say in a typical street car, the operating range that your strut will see is 3" of bump, and 3" of rebound. That means that by installing our drop springs, you are effectively just offsetting the operating range of the strut (from the middle, or 5", to 1" lower, or 4"). This means you are still maintaining the full range of bump/droop operation, just at a lower static level of the strut. All of the forces are still exactly the same in the strut. There is no more pressure on the seals, and no more forces on the bushings to cause abnormal wear.

I hope this example illustrates how installing 1" (or thereabouts) drop springs, will not effect the life of your struts. If someone is telling you that drop springs will wear out your struts faster, they are probably trying to upsell you coilovers.

As always, Im here to answer any more questions you have regarding our products.
Thanks ALOT for the info, I really appreciate it you just confirmed my next mod, PFADT of course
Cant wait. Should have exhaust and drop springs done by the first 2 weeks shes out of storage
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Weve used detroit speed , pedders and KW and now hopefully hotchkiss , nice to meet you john.
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:20 PM   #25
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Hotchkis springs

According to their site it's 1" drop and $322.95.


If the discount is still going on at Auto Anything when I'm ready I'll probably go Eibach Springs/Sways. As much as I love the Hotchkis springs on my '69 the price of the Eibach is going to be hard to beat.

Unless someone comes out with something similar, I can tell you the Hotchkis Chasis Brace will be on my mod list as well.
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