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Old 12-29-2009, 10:55 PM   #1
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I want to get a TVS 2300 but I need some (engine) comforting...

okay, here's the deal. I'm seriously considering the TVS 2300 for my recently purchased SS automatic. the car only has 400 miles on it and I'm wondering if it's safe to take the 2300 plunge?

also, I'm very concerned with long term durability with this system. my car is a daily driver which means I cannot afford to have it breaking down on a regular basis. I'm not the type of person who floors the pedal at every red light so I have no worries about me abusing the car.

but like most of us, I have this never ending thirst for power and my SS is certainly no exception. this is why I'm considering the TVS 2300. I like the way it looks (somewhat stock) under the hood. but I'm also concerned about how much of a toll that this supercharger will take on my LS3.

is this something that's going to shorten the engine's lifespan by say 50% or is it no where near as bad as I'm thinking? I do understand supercharging anything does create more stress and such. I'm just wondering how soon will it be before I will need to crack my LS3 open for a rebuild?

any advice will be appreciated.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:58 PM   #2
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It is not as bad as you are thinking.
You can still get quite a long life on yoru engine, assumming you run the regular kit and do not increase boost. The LS3 is a durable motor, and I would not be suprised to see them go over 75k miles or more with no issues. That is if you are not at the drag strip every weekend!!

I would have no issues with it being a daily driver and it will last you quite some time.

If you have any questions/concerns, send me a PM I will be happy to help...I can also help you get a great deal on the system itself.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:03 AM   #3
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You will have zero issues with reliability issues. Best decision you will make and never need to lay a hand on car. Install and drive. Oh yeah, did I mention the fun factor it brings.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:21 AM   #4
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I agree, the TVS system is extremely reliable. They design it so that you will nto have to worry about it.

Yes it is capable of producing enough boost to blow up your motor, but that is why they give you a 6psi pulley in the standard kit.

You will be a very happy camaro owner if you have that system installed. Not to mention a very popular one at work and car cruises!!
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:32 AM   #5
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I agree, the TVS system is extremely reliable. They design it so that you will nto have to worry about it.
worrying about the supercharger isn't my main concern. my main concern is the engine itself. replacing the supercharger is one thing but replacing an entire engine would be a major nightmare altogether.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:45 AM   #6
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all depends on what boost and how you drive it. Keep it low boost and conservative tune and it should be fine, not sure how fun it will be at 6 lbs. I have mine at 8 lbs with an aggressive tranny tune, i'm more worried about the tranny at this point than the engine.

One other note of caution, since I had supercharger installed with exhaust and CAI I drive it harder now than I did when it was all stock. I love boost and the supercharger whine and the sucking sound of air moving through this thing at WOT. You may find it hard to resist as well.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:48 AM   #7
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My thought is that if you are worried about the engine and cost to rebuilt part of it that you should not add the supercharger because you will be "afraid" to enjoy your new power. Or, you can just assume that it may cost you some money down the road (even though it is very low probability) to repair it and just go into it with that thought process. That is what I did and it is much more fun to drive it because you will not be afraid to enjoy it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:54 AM   #8
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Drive it reasonably, without beating it and it would last. As stated above, stay with the kit's boost configuration, and your engine will last. I've had turbo car that went over 120K miles before I sold it and the engine was still strong. The key here is the abuse.
I see people on the track that literally abuse their own paid cars. I don't understand how someone brings a $50K car to track and abuses it.

Go to Next Level Performance and Geoff has the best team there to set it for you.
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:55 AM   #9
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The engine and tranny are built to withstand more then the stock maggie kit makes. Drive it normally and your engine will last just as long as it normally would...beat on it all the time or take it to the track every weekend and like with any car you'll have to take it in for some repairs earlier then you want.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:23 PM   #10
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worrying about the supercharger isn't my main concern. my main concern is the engine itself. replacing the supercharger is one thing but replacing an entire engine would be a major nightmare altogether.
I also have gone back and forth concerned about breaking some other part of the car becasue of the S/C and from what I have been told anf researched is that if you have a safe/quality tune and run it at a lower safer psi setting than your car may actually wear at the same rate as stock set-up.

But of course the harder you drive it and the more you push the envelope on the tune is where you increase the stress on the motor and other major parts.

I have decided to get it done becasue I do not plan on track racing the car and will use a safe tune of 6-7psi on the TVS 2300. The other reason I am more comfortable with this S/C is becasue it is not new technology and has been proven to work on the vette engines which are just like the camaro from my understanding.

But yeah, I do know your pain in the decision making process. You already have a great car but want to make it better without the possibility or ruining an already great car just to make it greater!

What the hell! Go for it!!!!
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:31 PM   #11
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LPE does a great job with the Maggies and are known for running a safe tune. I think these will last a long time with a safe tune. I have 5k miles on my car and it only had 10 miles on it when the TVS was installed. Go for it - I don't think you will regret it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 12:57 PM   #12
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Hold the phones! You dont have a LS3. You said your car is an automatic which makes it a L99.
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:05 PM   #13
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Hold the phones! You dont have a LS3. You said your car is an automatic which makes it a L99.
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Old 12-30-2009, 04:36 PM   #14
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Absolutely get the TVS2300! We've had very good luck with them & the car is a blast to drive. If we can help you get a price on them please feel free to give us a call, we have very very competitive pricing on these chargers!
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Old 12-30-2009, 04:49 PM   #15
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Hold the phones! You dont have a LS3. You said your car is an automatic which makes it a L99.
That comes with less c/r and a milder cam. Both good if you're worried about things staying together. As others have said, I wouldn't worry about mechanical problems if you keep the power levels on the low side. The good news is that power levels on the low side with a TVS is still plenty. With stock tires, you won't be able to hook good enough to tear up the drive train. Worry about death and taxes. Your Camaro will live long and you'll love the extra power.

I have two Maggies. One on my vette at 670+ rwhp and one on my daily driver GMC truck. Vette has about 5000 trouble free miles. Truck has about 40K blown miles with one hiccup. Broke a valve spring and buggered up a head and piston. That wasn't the fault of the blower. Just crappy Comp Cams 918 valve springs. Used the "opportunity" to upgrade from a 5.3L to a 6.0L. It's been good for thousands of miles since.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:48 PM   #16
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Hold the phones! You dont have a LS3. You said your car is an automatic which makes it a L99.
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Just because it's an automatic doesn't mean it's an L99!!!
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:50 PM   #17
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yes everyone im quite aware of the differences. I just love that people post on forums (and buy cars, pay to have the modded, ect ect) without ever knowing what they have. My C5 Corvette with a custom grind cam and pistons that were fly cut by me in my garage with a dremel tool blows the doors off my friends C5 LPE 383. He doesnt even know his cam specs. I love it. And yes its still a L99, not that theres anything wrong with that
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:29 PM   #18
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I would be worried about the tranny puking way before the motor on ~6lbs.
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:50 AM   #19
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yes everyone im quite aware of the differences. I just love that people post on forums (and buy cars, pay to have the modded, ect ect) without ever knowing what they have. My C5 Corvette with a custom grind cam and pistons that were fly cut by me in my garage with a dremel tool blows the doors off my friends C5 LPE 383. He doesnt even know his cam specs. I love it. And yes its still a L99, not that theres anything wrong with that
I'm glad you know how to do your own cam & pistons - kudos to you. However those that want safe reliable hp and a warranty that comes along with it will go to a shop that has been doing this sort of thing for a long time. Could I have done it myself, probably. Do I have the tools, dyno and knowledge to do it, probably not. I have a job and its not a mechanic and I can't give myself a warranty
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:53 PM   #20
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You will not be unhappy if you decide to do a TVS. keep it at stock boost add some exhaust and have fun. Your motor will last for a long time if the tune is right! 75K easy, id say 100K+ no problem if your running stock boost on it. Give us a call as we have done many of these, or if you just want a price on a kit we will get you the best price out there!
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Old 12-31-2009, 09:13 PM   #21
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My advise is the same thing I told myself and that is: You only live once and you can't spend too much time wondering about what might or could happen. I don't know about you but I'm not getting any younger. Take it to a profesional builder and tell them to tune it to last and the good shops can give you a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. I have heard of many supercharged engines lasting 100,000 miles + and still going. If you are concerned about the tranny, rear end, axles, suspension, braking or engine internals they have a solution for all of your concerns. Call Lingenfelter Performance Engineering and they can do anything you want. They also have one of the best reputations in the nation.
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The Boost from the maggie only comes in when you put your foot in it.

If you drive it normally, the engine is under vacuum. No impact under normal conditions for gas mileage. If you treat it properly, and have a conservative tune, it will last as well as stock.

I agree with Paul and Speed (also being another extremely LPE happy owner) - the Lingenfelter tuned setup is the way to go for longevity and resale value, not that I ever plan on selling mine. It also puts you in a relatively small group, as LPE doesn't mass produce their setups. LPE builds great, reliable customized power that also makes the engine bay look awesome!

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The Magnuson style supercharger is what you will see coming from the factory. This is the most reliable, trouble-free fi route. The Magnuson comes with a three-year 36,000 mile warranty, that's great piece of mine. The new tvs series is a new generation and leaves plenty of room to grow if you ever decide you need 900 hp LOL. If we can answer any questions or help you with your purchase please give us a call.98-521-0722
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Do this mod it is a blast stop thinking about it you will not regret it just Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just because it's an automatic doesn't mean it's an L99!!!
Yes it does, because that is how they are made. Unless he went through the process of replacing the engine and adapting to an auto tranny somehow, which is unlikely due to the hesitation of getting a s/c. I don't blame them, I was thinking of the same issues, that is why I am reading the thread.
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