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[Freedom07]

Hello All

I have only posted a few times before but think this is a big one and I had to let everyone know. I went to the Chevrolet dealership here in North Carolina and I talked to the GM there. He told me tonight that his dealership here in Goldsboro, North Carolina will recieve the first shipment of new Camaro's at the end of OCTOBER 2007!!!!!!!! He said there will be a shipment of 10 2008 Camaro's delivered.

[Casull]

You may want to put this on......

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Casull

You may want to put this on......

We all might need one for this thread...

[Freedom07]

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because this is hot new or do you mean something else??

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

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because this is hot new or do you mean something else??

It means you’re about to be in the hot seat. Or in forum talk, you're about to be flamed…

Flaming is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet. Such messages are called flames, and are sometimes posted in response to flamebait. Flaming is said by some to be one of a class of economic problems known as The Tragedy of the Commons, when a group holds a resource (in this case, communal attention), but each of the individual members has an incentive to overuse it. Flamers usually call their flames justified attacks.

Although the trading of insults is as old as human speech, flaming on the Internet, like many other online 'actions,' started in the Usenet hierarchies (although it was known to occur in the WWIVnet and FidoNet computer networks as well). A flame may have elements of a normal message, but is distinguished by its intent. A flame is typically not intended to be constructive, to further clarify a discussion, or to persuade other people. The motive for flaming is often not dialectic, but rather social or psychological. Sometimes, flamers are attempting to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority. Other times, the flamer is simply a closed-minded or biased individual whose conviction that theirs is the only valid opinion leads them to personally attack any "dissenters." Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls. Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. Finally, some consider flaming to be a great way to let off steam, though the receiving party may be less than pleased.

Similarly, a normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if it is seriously intended to advance the discussion.

The word flaming is also sometimes used for long, intensive and heated discussions, even though insults do not occur.

It is noted that Internet users are more likely to flame online than insult others in the real world, as the latter can lead to embarrassment and physical altercations, which online "anonymity" can avoid. However, others urge against flaming, citing that people on the other side "have feelings too."

[Casull]

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

It means you’re about to be in the hot seat. Or in forum talk, your about to be flamed…

Flaming is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet. Such messages are called flames, and are sometimes posted in response to flamebait. Flaming is said by some to be one of a class of economic problems known as The Tragedy of the Commons, when a group holds a resource (in this case, communal attention), but each of the individual members has an incentive to overuse it. Flamers usually call their flames justified attacks.

Although the trading of insults is as old as human speech, flaming on the Internet, like many other online 'actions,' started in the Usenet hierarchies (although it was known to occur in the WWIVnet and FidoNet computer networks as well). A flame may have elements of a normal message, but is distinguished by its intent. A flame is typically not intended to be constructive, to further clarify a discussion, or to persuade other people. The motive for flaming is often not dialectic, but rather social or psychological. Sometimes, flamers are attempting to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority. Other times, the flamer is simply a closed-minded or biased individual whose conviction that theirs is the only valid opinion leads them to personally attack any "dissenters." Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls. Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. Finally, some consider flaming to be a great way to let off steam, though the receiving party may be less than pleased.

Similarly, a normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if it is seriously intended to advance the discussion.

The word flaming is also sometimes used for long, intensive and heated discussions, even though insults do not occur.

It is noted that Internet users are more likely to flame online than insult others in the real world, as the latter can lead to embarrassment and physical altercations, which online "anonymity" can avoid. However, others urge against flaming, citing that people on the other side "have feelings too."

Lol.... very thorough.... and creative. Did you seriously just come up with that? If so, props to you!

[Freedom07]

Ok So why in the world would I need to defend myself or would I be insulted for posting what I found out tonight. I am only passing on information that I know...???????

[Casull]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

?????????????????

because this is hot new or do you mean something else??

I will take Killer's statement one step further and explain why you are about to get flamed. If you have spent any amount of time on this, or other, 5th gen forums you would have noticed very quickly that the general consensus is that information from dealers (even the GM) is often times nothing more than hot air. It is widely accepted on this forum (and many others) that any information from dealers should be taken with a great grain of salt and that 95% of the time it is complete BS.

You have to realize that there are individuals that spend time on these forums that actually have direct knowledge and information on the Camaro project that very very few other people are privy to, and they have stated countless times that any rumors about the Camaro being available earlier than late 08 are simply not true.

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

Ok So why in the world would I need to defend myself or would I be insulted for posting what I found out tonight. I am only passing on information that I know...???????

It’s your information and where you obtained it. Many pessimist believe the Camaro is not going to be released this year and are sticking to the late 08 early 09 release date. I on the other hand am optimistic and don’t rule out anything until hard facts prove otherwise…

Definition of flamed found here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

[Freedom07]

ok thanks for the info....I wasnt trying to start anything or mislead anyone....I was excited about what I heard and wanted to share it. if it is true then I am very happy if not then well. I will have to wait for my new baby like everyone else.

[Casull]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

ok thanks for the info....I wasnt trying to start anything or mislead anyone....I was excited about what I heard and wanted to share it. if it is true then I am very happy if not then well. I will have to wait for my new baby like everyone else.

No one is accusing you of trying to start anything.... it is actually the other way around. When people post information like yours, you will often see a barage of insulting posts becasue of it. You are certainly not the first person to come on here and post information like this, and you will quickly see that some people discount it immediately and others take it as a sign of hope. Like you said, it is all a giant waiting game. However, we will all know a lot more in a short period of time as this year passes.

Welcome to the site and thanks for sharing your information regardless of whether it turns out to be bona-fide or not.

[Freedom07]

thanks

[Casull]

I think this and the "Would you buy a Camaro if it were made in Australia" thread go hand in hand. When discussing whether or not the Camaro will be available before the officially announced 2009 model year, you have to also take into consideration the logistics of producing such a thing. I wouldn't say I am an optimist and believe it will be out early, but there have been a many of slipped statements and articles leading one to believe it will be released much earlier than anticipated.

However, I am a realist (not a pessimist), and understand that in order for this thing to come out within a year-year and a half there would already haveto be contracts drawn up for suppliers to begin building the parts and a factory somewhere in the world would have to be going through some serious changes right about now. The factis that nothing has been leaked or confirmed yet by any factory worker or supplier.

In fact there are a couple of guys over at cz28.com that work at the Oshawa plant that have come out and explained the schedule that they are following to finalize their current production and get the factory re-tooled for the camaro, and it follows a timeline that clearly demonstrates that the Camaro will not begin production until late 08.

Just my 2 cents to clear things up and possibly spur a debate that has been going on since August 06.

[Moose]

There will be NO flaming here. Similar threads have appeared in the past and turned "ugly". I don't want to see that happen again.

As for Freedom07's initial comment, time will tell.

So lets keep this thread and this site respectful.

Thanks everyone
Ed

[OverAnxious]

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[Freedom07]

man I didnt know posting a comment would cause such a response. I was just trying to post what I heard from the dealership. I was not trying to cause a buch of anger or fighting. I was excited and wanted to share. soory for everything. I will try to confine my excitement.

thanks

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

man I didnt know posting a comment would cause such a response. I was just trying to post what I heard from the dealership. I was not trying to cause a buch of anger or fighting. I was excited and wanted to share. soory for everything. I will try to confine my excitement.

thanks

First, thanks for sharing. Please continue to share any info. with us too. That's what this site is for.

Second. Do not be sorry. You're only stating what your dealer has told you.

Please realize there is ALOT of speculation out there as well as alot of misinformation.

This site is here for you to share your thoughts and/or experiences regarding the new Camaro.

[Freedom07]

Thanks Dude!!!

[WMCC Doug]

Thanks for sharing, Freedom ........ It sounds like this dealership is a little optimistic, but time will tell. Don't be afraid to post here, I'm pretty new here, and so far, have found this site to be filled with friendly, enthusiastic members.

I happen to believe that we will see a Camaro Convertible at Indy in May of 2008, painted in white w/orange stripes (or maybe orange with white stripes). I have nothing concrete to base this opinion on, other than a gut feeling. And I think it would be a great way for Chevrolet to keep the excitement going as they finally head into production. Besides, it would be pretty cool!

[TAG UR IT]

.... .....Thanks as well for sharing, Freedom07, but I read that first post and just about had a heart attack!!! Of course, I'm thinking "Oh no. Here we go again!" Oh boy, that one turned out a lot better than I thought it would! Thanks to everyone for being about it.

As the others said, it's been discussed a few times and it got a little crazy at one point. Moose pretty much summed it up!!

[35th02ss]

Freedom thanks for sharing the information. In speaking with Tom yesterday there was no mention of the car coming in 07 more like late 08 according to his sources.

I wish it was 07 that would be flipping awesome..........Either way I think we're going to get the car the community wants.

[rray200]

Originally Posted by Freedom07

Hello All

I have only posted a few times before but think this is a big one and I had to let everyone know. I went to the Chevrolet dealership here in North Carolina and I talked to the GM there. He told me tonight that his dealership here in Goldsboro, North Carolina will recieve the first shipment of new Camaro's at the end of OCTOBER 2007!!!!!!!! He said there will be a shipment of 10 2008 Camaro's delivered.

Interesting that the dealer gave a specific number of cars they expect to have delivered. That's alot different from people talking to there dealers and the dealers saying 'its coming out in '07 as an '08 model'. This goes a little bit further. He may be off though by a few months, but everything seems to indicate that the car is on schedule to come out sooner than expected. The testing and development of the production car is way ahead of schedule. The only stumbling block is retrofitting the Oshawa plant to build the cars. But GM is releasing the 2008 Pontiac G8 in '07 as an '08 model (this car is to be built in Oshawa with the Camaro) but initial number of cars will be brought in from Australia and once the Oshawa plant is ready, production will move there. If GM really wanted to, they could build the first few Camaros in Australia before switching production over to Oshawa, just like the G8. So there is a chance of something happening in late '07 or early '08.

[Freedom07]

Thanks guys..I cant wait for this baby to come out. the plan is to get the new one when it comes out and then buy a 68 SS. have them painted the exact same color scheme. I have wanted that since I heard the camaro was coming back. I wasnt real fond of the body styles in the 90's and 2000's but am very happy it is going back to a classic style. I did have a chance to talk to a guy at the local ford dealer ship and I took a look at the mustang gt. now bad for a ford...lol..but one thing I did notice is that the interior is....well to foofoo. now this is only my opinion and thats all but a muscle car does not need all the fancy stuff. this is another reason I like the new Camaro the setup inside is simple, it looks classic and like what a muscle car should look like.

[Freedom07]

Originally Posted by rray200

Interesting that the dealer gave a specific number of cars they expect to have delivered. That's alot different from people talking to there dealers and the dealers saying 'its coming out in '07 as an '08 model'. This goes a little bit further. He may be off though by a few months, but everything seems to indicate that the car is on schedule to come out sooner than expected. The testing and development of the production car is way ahead of schedule. The only stumbling block is retrofitting the Oshawa plant to build the cars. But GM is releasing the 2008 Pontiac G8 in '07 as an '08 model (this car is to be built in Oshawa with the Camaro) but initial number of cars will be brought in from Australia and once the Oshawa plant is ready, production will move there. If GM really wanted to, they could build the first few Camaros in Australia before switching production over to Oshawa, just like the G8. So there is a chance of something happening in late '07 or early '08.

well like everyone helped me understand yesterday the dealerships often dont know when there stock is coming in of new vehicles. and after thinking about it. him mentioning a specific number coming in, well he was probably just trying to get me to come back to his dealership. but I will keep my fingers crossed and if he is right I will let everyone know but by then I am sure that we will all know.

[WMCC Gary]

Originally Posted by WMCC Doug

.....I happen to believe that we will see a Camaro Convertible at Indy in May of 2008, painted in white w/orange stripes (or maybe orange with white stripes). I have nothing concrete to base this opinion on, other than a gut feeling. And I think it would be a great way for Chevrolet to keep the excitement going as they finally head into production. Besides, it would be pretty cool!

I agree Doug. I think we will see it at Indy in May of 08. But if I had to put money on a color I would go with the Orange with White stripes.