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Old 01-04-2010, 08:37 PM   #18
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I will be going with Pfadt. After speaking to Aaron and researching both on the Forum, it seems more of a personal preference, but I like what I felt with the Pfadt in another local members car......just right for me!
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:45 AM   #19
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The Pedders camp has kept us in the loop on their zeta II testing, and have brought their numerous years of zeta platform experience over with them. You'll notice they're always here, glad to answer questions, technical or otherwise.

Pfadt makes good products... For the Corvette. I haven't seen much R&D from their camp on the zeta platform other than a skid-pad video.
Every product Pfadt has developed has been created with a lot of R&D with stress analysis testing via software analysis, and real world testing on their shop camaro, im not sure it is fair to say that Pfadt has less research and development then Pedders...

Another item to consider is where the product is produced and the materials used. Pfadt trumps a lot of manufacturers with this, American made products held to strict tolerances and quality measures to maximize customer satisfaction, and winning performance, you will not find ONE product made by Pfadt from China or East Asia.

With that said price between the two pedders seems to be comparable, but it seems the majority of members have seen the benefits of the pfadt springs, and many are choosing them hand over fist. If you would like, PM me and I will shoot you our Camaro5 pricing for members. Good luck in your decision, but to me its relatively easy, American made products, with quality and commitment win every time.

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Old 01-05-2010, 12:14 PM   #20
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i cant speak on any other companys but im very pleased with pfadt and brandon at ips and i. both Aaron and brandon were great with helping me. Aaron always replied to my post and emails quickly and answered everything in full detail and brandon even stayed an extra half hour past closing just for me to order my coilovers and sways! (thank you brandon! sorry i wasnt able to call till the next day) i dont know many places that will do that. if there service is this good than i cant wait till i recive and install there products cause i know there gonna be top notch.
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Old 01-05-2010, 12:20 PM   #21
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:42 PM   #22
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I too was on the fence between Pedders and Pfadt, had had several conversations with folks on the Pedders side and will say that they were very responsive and informative but at the same time I have gotten a great deal of "pre-order" service on the Pfadt side as well. I have had several exchanges with Aaron Pfadt via PM and he has been very forthcoming and responsive when I contact him and I also have nothing but good things to say about Brandon over at IPS Motorsports. He has made the actual transaction part of this process very easy and VERY competitive on pricing. I have Pfadt Front and Rear sways sitting in my garage now and am just waiting on delivery of their Coilovers as well once they become available. I will be doing the installation myself and feel very confident that the support will be there from both Aaron and Brandon when the time comes.

In the end I chose Pfadt based on several different things but mainly where the components are made, the VERY competitive pricing from Brandon over at IPS, and the investment I was getting from both Aaron and Brandon during the process and the insight they were able to give me as to why certain things were designed into the Pfadt components. I have spent COUNTLESS hours trolling all of the suspension threads I could find, that reading coupled with my conversations with these two very professional individuals was enough for me.

Sometimes getting the answer between the two major companies in the forum here winds up turning into a pissing match, it wasn't until I started contacting folks involved with the companies that I was able to make my decision.

Good luck with your decision and remember, it is YOUR decision, there are plenty of folks happy with both companies.

Now I just have to look into Pfadt mounts and bushings to really tighten things up and handle the Supercharger I am looking to get in the spring
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Old 01-08-2010, 10:55 AM   #23
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I did a lot of reading and research. Being a mechanical engineer, I'm kind of obsessive like that . Spoke with reps of both companies mentioned here, decided to go with Pfadt products on this Camaro.

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Old 01-08-2010, 02:22 PM   #24
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We want to thank everyone with their comments regarding our company and the products we produce for the community. In addition, we want to make sure everyone knows that we are here if you need us, and please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions. Thank you.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:04 PM   #25
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I went with Pedders, I too read and did a lot of research and talked to Pedders Reps. I was recommended a shop in Inglewood, CA and they went into more detail with the Pedders suspension. The shop owner gave me a demo in his G8 that had full Pedders suspension. I'm making my Camaro go to track days at Willow Springs, Button Willow, California Speedway, and Open Road Racing in Nevada. So Pedders had the full line of suspension needs and bought one. Besides, Pedders had a lot of years dealing with ZETA suspension. Thats how I came to decide on the company.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:26 PM   #26
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Pfadt springs and swaybars for me as well.

I don't have personal experience with Pedders, but I'm extremely satisfied with Pfadt components and customer service.

I have the Pfadt control arm stiffeners for the rear as well...just gotta find time to install them and get an alignment done afterwards.
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:19 PM   #27
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I went with Pedders 1 inch drop.. Car handles and looks great. One thing I don't understand. Phadt recommends cutting the bump stops, Pedders absolutely says no. I didn't and I do bottom when I hit a dip or bridge abutment. Roads around here suck. I don't understand the differing opinions? Anyone know the real deal. Knowing what I do now I would go with coil overs....I think....
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:34 AM   #28
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Hi Mark-HD,

We can't speak to anything regarding another company's products, but we can tell you why we reccommend cutting the bumpstops in our procedure. Our Pfadt drop springs provide a 1.25" drop approximately. As a result of this change in static ride height, the usable region of the damper travel is offset, to be approximately 1.25" lower. The Camaro has a very limited amount of bump travel to begin with, before contacting the OEM bumpstops. We recommend to trim 1" from the bumpstop in our installation procedure to give you back that 1.00" of damper travel, that is not influenced by the added spring rate of the bump rubber. We leave some bump stop in place to give a rising rate on big hits. This conclusion was made from testing, and experiencing the same bump characteristics that you mentioned. This of course, is just our position in regards to our own product installation, and I thought it was relevant to what you were asking. Hope that helps clarify the difference.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:58 AM   #29
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...you will not find ONE product made by Pfadt from China or East Asia.



I was originally sold on Pedders...and planned to have them on my car a LONG time ago. I was confident due to their experience with the zeta platform and constant information flow. Then two things happened: First, their shipping dates kept slipping... Second, that fiasco with the Hennesey car. These events caused me to reconsider and I decided that I would prefer to deal with a new product that was designed from the ground up specifically for the Camaro...not just a 'zeta' platform conversion. Additionally, Pfadts commitment to racing is also an indicator (at least to me) of their commitment to auto sports...and I prefer to support those companies who are supporting and competing in events(whose going to beat a part better than a race team???!?!?!?!?!). I used to buy my bmw parts (upgrades and maintenance) from Turner motorsports almost exclusively for this reason also...I try to support those that are supporting our hobby.


I'm no engineer...and I'm not a racer or suspension expert...just an average Joe calling it like I see it....and that's how I saw it.

I have the Pfadt sways on and have been happy with the results...certainly took a little roll out of the rear. ANXIOUSLY awaiting coilovers and bushings...have had them pre-ordered for quite a while now.
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Old 01-13-2010, 05:06 PM   #30
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Thanks guys.....So you guys are happy with the 1 inch reduction in the bump stop. My fear was that they possible could do strut damage if they were cut, however it sounds like you guys tested and they will be ok....damn if I have to take it apart again I may just change um.....
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:50 AM   #31
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Second, that fiasco with the Hennesey car.
Huh? I never heard about this..... FILL ME IN!
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:54 AM   #32
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Huh? I never heard about this..... FILL ME IN!
I can't remember where the thread and article are...but AS MY MEMORY recollects... The first full pedders setup was tested on a Hennessey car by an independent reviewer. Again, as I recall, the reviewer was BRUTAL on the handling of the car and it was worse than the stock setup. Blame was levied on Hennessey for putting too wide of tires and then there were claims that the track was dirty.

Again, don't take my memory as fact...but that was the impression I was left with and after all the hype of pedders 'knows the zeta platform' it really shook my confidence in the program they were planning on delivering. They have since delivered excellent results...but by that time there were other players entering the market....

Again...my opinion only...I'm not a badge/brand whore...I just make my decisions based on what I see....
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:09 PM   #33
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I believe Hennessey had the Pedder's on their car and just had them installed and not really dialed in yet. You know the rush to get something out to the magazines before it is tested. I am sure Hennessey can weigh in on that. I know how they feel on my car and it feels close to stock for me. It also depends on what they had the coilovers dialed to - if it was an aggressive setting, better handling but a stiffer ride...
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Both make great products. I went with Pdaft with my sway bars - great customer support and well made products, good info. Want to get their coilovers as soon as I get the $$
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