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Old 01-12-2010, 10:07 PM   #101
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Good question..
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Yeah, we were cracking up about it last night. The absolute lowest boost we could get out of a 3.6, and still keep a 4" pulley, is like 12psi. The difference between the 3.6 and 2.8 is freaking huge.

Hey, Can I run a an underdrivecrank pulley to allow the use of a 3.6 liter blower on a mildly modified motor to keep the boost in check and at the same time get back some of those lost blower driving ponies by driving my accessories slower? Would turning it slower take it out of its sweet spot? Then later with a forged bottom in, I can swap pulleys again and turn it at the speed it was meant to.
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i hope is sounds like that. I am in texas now building my camaro at Hennessey, where is the KB headquarters located
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I just picked up 5.0 Mustang & Fast Fords (a little late, I know...) and it has a great write-up on the 3.6 and a little tidbit on the 4.X. T.P.E. - did you write that article or something? The way it was worded, and a post you put up in here look pretty similar. It was a pretty cool article, if anyone hasn't seen it and would like some more pretty pictures and information about this SC.
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At 24 thousand rpms they do..

They only sound like that when your really spinning them hard. We were running 16 and 18psi. When running them at 8-10, you dont really hear them. Although I know a few tricks to make them sound that for the guy with low boost, yet wanting to sound like a fighter jet..
I do love the banshee scream my Lightning emits, even with the factory Eaton, but there is also something to be said of a blower that doesn't whine...it's a silent killer

I'm really looking forward to more info on this kit. We would LOVE to get our hands on one, I bet we could take down MTI Racing's 1.9L Maggie as the Texas Mile Camaro king in March
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Well, yes you could. That is one of the things we are researching now. If we run an underdrive with the 3.6, we should be able to get the boost around 9-10psi. Of course this is just an off the top of my head calculation, but KB is researching exactly what the 10% and 25% underdrive pulley, with a 4" blower pulley will net. But you will have to change the underdrive pulley out if/when you want to up the boost. You will run a risk of belt slip with tht small of a pulley on the crank.

Yes, by running the blower really slow, you will introduce 200-300 rpms of lag. It is not optimal, and should only be done if you were going to be upgrading soon.

Keep in mind though, if you do not have intentions of building your motor to at least a 427, and running high boost, it is simply a waste of money. The 2.8H will more than do the trick. All of the GT500 Supersnakes were running the 2.8H, and they are making 800-900rwhp on a 5.4L.
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No, not at all. I dont write tech articles. But Jim B and I talk soo freaking much, that I wouldnt be surprised if he did. I have learned more from that man than any single person in this industry. His entire office is filled with file cabinets of data over the last 40 years. You could ask him what the very first KB supercharger flowed, and he can/will walk over to a cabinet, and pull out the scratch pad that he originally wrote the info down on when he was doing the test. We have sat down for hours discussing the laws of supercharging. That man is an engineer to the soul.

Alot of people dont know this, but he is avail to talk to customers about tech questions when he's in the office. If you really need a question/concern answered, he will be more than happy to explain it. You just gotta get through the tech guys.


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I just picked up 5.0 Mustang & Fast Fords (a little late, I know...) and it has a great write-up on the 3.6 and a little tidbit on the 4.X. T.P.E. - did you write that article or something? The way it was worded, and a post you put up in here look pretty similar. It was a pretty cool article, if anyone hasn't seen it and would like some more pretty pictures and information about this SC.
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No, not at all. I dont write tech articles. But Jim B and I talk soo freaking much, that I wouldnt be surprised if he did. I have learned more from that man than any single person in this industry. His entire office is filled with file cabinets of data over the last 40 years. You could ask him what the very first KB supercharger flowed, and he can/will walk over to a cabinet, and pull out the scratch pad that he originally wrote the info down on when he was doing the test. We have sat down for hours discussing the laws of supercharging. That man is an engineer to the soul.

Alot of people dont know this, but he is avail to talk to customers about tech questions when he's in the office. If you really need a question/concern answered, he will be more than happy to explain it. You just gotta get through the tech guys.
That's good to know
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Just wanted to let you Gus know You will be able to get these great kits from us also! we ar the Home of the first ever KB GTO, and specialize in FI ls base cars! when they release these maybe we can work up a Group Buy for all the Camaro 5 guys!

here is a little about the FIRST EVER KB GTO. you can also watch the vids and get to here that bad boy 2.8!!!

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So is this set up as loud as the old KB's are on other cars? I just hope it wont end up being quiet like the maggie.
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It depends on how you set it up..
You can have it loud, or you can have it silent.
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So is this set up as loud as the old KB's are on other cars? I just hope it wont end up being quiet like the maggie.
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It depends on how you set it up..
You can have it loud, or you can have it silent.
How is it you change the noise level? Personally I don't really want a lot of noise from the blower. I'd rather just hear the rumble of the exhaust.
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TPE and Kenne Bell would like to point out that there is a select group of dealers around the country that are fobidden to sell/install these kits. Wether it be due to bashing, or bad workmanship, the fact is, is they are not authorized dealers.

The protection of KB's dealer group, is extremely important both to Kenne Bell and TPE. It is a very difficult process to become an authorized installer. KB reserves this for only the very best in the business. Mr Bell dos not tolerate a shop just trying to make a buck off of a kit. They want to know that the shop is in for the long haul, regardless of anything else.

KB dealers are not permitted to just sell and dropship the product. It can only be sold in 1 of 3 ways. KB direct, TPE Direct, or Authorized Installer in your area. The reason for this, is because we want to make sure that in the event of a tech issue, you are not just a "sale" to the shop, but a valued walk-in customer.

Although we are well aware that other supercharger companies around the country will sell to anyone with a business license, it is KB's stance that it will never be allowed with their product.

If you want a list of "Authorized" installers around the country, or in yur neck of the woods, either KB or TPE will be happy to point you in the right direction. But chances are, if they are a big name in the business, and have passed Mr Bells strict standards, they are an installer.

Internet retail businesses are not eligable for authorized dealer agreements. NO authorized dealer anywhere in the US, is permitted to offer "Deals", or special "Group Buys". Although it is not out of the question, it is something that is looked at in a strict manner. KB does not want their customers to feel they paid any more than the guy next to them.

If you do see some type of initial special, it will come from one of 2 places. Kenne Bell, or Total Performance Engineering. But these specials will also be avail at your favorite authorized install shop. So you can be rest assured that everyone will be happy, AND get the BEST possible service avail, from the most compitent install shops in the US.
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Intake setup, pulley setup. If you are running low/moderate boost, the blower will be near silent. Its only when you run moderate to high boost, on a smaller blower, that makes the sound.

But it really depends on your build.

IF you are running a high boost application, on a 2.8, its gonna scream. Theres no 2 ways around it.
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Intake setup, pulley setup. If you are running low/moderate boost, the blower will be near silent. Its only when you run moderate to high boost, on a smaller blower, that makes the sound.

But it really depends on your build.

IF you are running a high boost application, on a 2.8, its gonna scream. Theres no 2 ways around it.
Yea, that was another reason I was wondering if spinning a 3.6 slower would resut in a quieter implimentation than a 2.8 at moderate speed. What does a 2.8 sound like on a mildly camed 406 small block at 12 psi? Does it sound harsh?
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TPE and Kenne Bell would like to point out that there is a select group of dealers around the country that are fobidden to sell/install these kits. Wether it be due to bashing, or bad workmanship, the fact is, is they are not authorized dealers.

The protection of KB's dealer group, is extremely important both to Kenne Bell and TPE. It is a very difficult process to become an authorized installer. KB reserves this for only the very best in the business. Mr Bell dos not tolerate a shop just trying to make a buck off of a kit. They want to know that the shop is in for the long haul, regardless of anything else.

KB dealers are not permitted to just sell and dropship the product. It can only be sold in 1 of 3 ways. KB direct, TPE Direct, or Authorized Installer in your area. The reason for this, is because we want to make sure that in the event of a tech issue, you are not just a "sale" to the shop, but a valued walk-in customer.

Although we are well aware that other supercharger companies around the country will sell to anyone with a business license, it is KB's stance that it will never be allowed with their product.

If you want a list of "Authorized" installers around the country, or in yur neck of the woods, either KB or TPE will be happy to point you in the right direction. But chances are, if they are a big name in the business, and have passed Mr Bells strict standards, they are an installer.

Internet retail businesses are not eligable for authorized dealer agreements. NO authorized dealer anywhere in the US, is permitted to offer "Deals", or special "Group Buys". Although it is not out of the question, it is something that is looked at in a strict manner. KB does not want their customers to feel they paid any more than the guy next to them.

If you do see some type of initial special, it will come from one of 2 places. Kenne Bell, or Total Performance Engineering. But these specials will also be avail at your favorite authorized install shop. So you can be rest assured that everyone will be happy, AND get the BEST possible service avail, from the most compitent install shops in the US.
Very good to know... Obviously I would have purchased through Kenne Bell directly anyway, but if a member decides to purchase through a different vendor that might not be authorized, I'm assuming there is no warranty that can be offered since there was no communication through KB correct?
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Correct (at least they have the right to) But given the circumstances surrounding the sale, KB is not one to punish an unsuspecting customer. Thats just not fair.

But it is not difficult to find out. Any reputable shop should just be able to tell you. But you could always call, and ask for the shop closest to you.


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Very good to know... Obviously I would have purchased through Kenne Bell directly anyway, but if a member decides to purchase through a different vendor that might not be authorized, I'm assuming there is no warranty that can be offered since there was no communication through KB correct?
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Its not harsh at all. Thats kinda the point where you begin to hear it. But its very faint.

We just did a 408 with a 2.6 on 10.5psi, and it was completely silent. Being that its a 2.6, we had to spin it faster than if it was a 2.8. But even then, you couldnt hear it at all.
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Yea, that was another reason I was wondering if spinning a 3.6 slower would resut in a quieter implimentation than a 2.8 at moderate speed. What does a 2.8 sound like on a mildly camed 406 small block at 12 psi? Does it sound harsh?
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i really want my KB to scream, so what psi do i have to run to get to that sound level
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Im with ls7camaro. Make em scream at 8psi please
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Im with ls7camaro. Make em scream at 8psi please
ditto. I am craving that noise in my car!
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