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Old 08-14-2008, 01:42 AM   #1
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Mustangs V6 Ecoboost VS Carmaros V6 turbocharged

The muscle wars have just begun and with Fords comeback the new 2010 mustang V6 Ecoboost with an impressive 340 hp will outperform the 2010 carmaro 300 hp v6. However GM will possibly come back with a turbocharged V6 that would even things up.
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...ang/index.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...uspension.html

Who would be the winner? take a guess, Lets just hope that GM delivers

Future Mustang Vs Camaro muscle car wars include:

V6 @ 340 + HP Mustang ecoboost Vs Camaros Turbocharged
V8 @ 400 + HP Mustang 5.0 boss Vs Camaros 6.2 LS3
V8 @ 500 + HP Mustang 5.4 GT500 Vs Camaros 6.2 LSA

pure speculation.

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Old 08-14-2008, 01:51 AM   #2
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From what I understand, the ecoboost v6 is an alternate to the v8, so it will cost the same as the v8 +/- a few hundred dollars.

the ecoboost i4 would be the same for the v6 model, so the camaro v6 would be competing with this.
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From what I understand, the ecoboost v6 is an alternate to the v8, so it will cost the same as the v8 +/- a few hundred dollars.

the ecoboost i4 would be the same for the v6 model, so the camaro v6 would be competing with this.
so if thats true... that 340-50 doesnt sound as good when you compare it to the 422hp of our Maro.
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Old 08-14-2008, 09:35 AM   #4
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Don't expect any changes in today's, base 4.0-liter V-6 offering, as its prime purpose is motivating low-end and rental-fleet Mustangs.
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. There's no reason to think the next gen GT's powerplant won't take its cue from this technology, and thus get the same tricks. Something like 325 to 350 horses out of the new 5.0-liter V-8 sounds feasible.
It may be a little more fair of a run now...but what happened to all the chest-thumping talk of a Camaro-anhilating Mustang?

If the stuff in this article is even close, we(Camaro) still have IRS, and still have 90+hp on the V6, and 60+ hp on the GT. The SS may be beaten in fuel economy by the EcoBoost models...but that's about it.

According to this, Camaro will stay the performance bargain, for sure! However, I would be very interested in a GM equivilant to the EcoBoost....that would be interesting.
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Ecoboost. what a misnomer.

2 whole mpg increase. Sheesh.

Still it does make the Mustang a little more appealing to me than the bloated Cologne V6 Explorer motor did. Too bad it will probably cost more than a 4.6
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:47 AM   #6
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2 mpg increase over the V6 or 2 mpg increase over the V8? Just curious... not sure what the ecoboost specs are...
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so if thats true... that 340-50 doesnt sound as good when you compare it to the 422hp of our Maro.
Exactly.

The thing that DOES scare me though, is there seems to be talk floating around of the eco boost stangs being an American supra...

Though I doubt they will be able to handle as much power as the supras could, there is no denying the easy modability of a factory FI motor.
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Ecoboost. what a misnomer.

2 whole mpg increase. Sheesh.

Still it does make the Mustang a little more appealing to me than the bloated Cologne V6 Explorer motor did. Too bad it will probably cost more than a 4.6
I don't know what you're comparing it to, but from the context I will guess 4.0 V6. If so then it is an increase of 2 MPG and 130hp (a 62% bump).

It is probably fairer to compare it's mileage to that of the expected 5.0 or at least the current 4.6 since it makes similar power and would probably be cross shopped against the GT.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:47 PM   #9
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I don't know what you're comparing it to, but from the context I will guess 4.0 V6. If so then it is an increase of 2 MPG and 130hp (a 62% bump).

It is probably fairer to compare it's mileage to that of the expected 5.0 or at least the current 4.6 since it makes similar power and would probably be cross shopped against the GT.
Ecoboost implies a significant increase in fuel economy.

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I'm not questioning the horsepower. Just the name selection. The engine's power production speaks loudly enough for itself.

When I was car shopping, I quickly eliminated the 4.0 Mustang. It wasn't any better than a lightly used certified pre-owned 3.8 Camaro and well behind the Dodge Neon SRT/4 in every category. The Mustang had a little more off the line than the Mazda I ultimately bought but the Mazda had more power from 4000-6500 rpm and handled better in spite of being fwd.

I would have definitely considered a turbo V6 Mustang depending on the price.

Mazda is just going to call it the MZI whether it's turbocharged or not. Like the MZR (Ford DHE-423) whether it's a 1.8 European model, Mazda B2300, or the 2.3 DISI Turbo Mazdaspeed6. They are all MZRs
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Exactly.

The thing that DOES scare me though, is there seems to be talk floating around of the eco boost stangs being an American supra...

Though I doubt they will be able to handle as much power as the supras could, there is no denying the easy modability of a factory FI motor.
Very true. But as of right now, stock for stock is all I care about. It's really all that matters when you come right down to it, since money can make anything faster than anything else.
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Old 08-14-2008, 04:08 PM   #11
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Very true. But as of right now, stock for stock is all I care about. It's really all that matters when you come right down to it, since money can make anything faster than anything else.
Well, in a stock for stock comparison, the Camaro wins

Basically, as stated before, the Eco-boost v6 is an ALTERNATIVE to the V8, so it will be the same price as the gt +/- a few hundred.

Therefore Eco-boost = SS competition.
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:43 PM   #12
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Ha Ha!!!!! what happened to 400 hp Ford? no balls!!! j/k it should be ok, just not as good as the camaro.
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i cant wait to see/ hopefully make fun of the mustang specs
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Old 08-15-2008, 06:46 PM   #14
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the reason i dont like mustangs is everyone in my town has a mustang

and they dont appeal to me
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:17 PM   #15
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Either way it sounds like we'll be waiting a while to see these new engines. Supposedly not too much is changing engine-wise in the 2010 (or at least that was the case last time I was on the Stang forums).

Has anyone heard differently? Will the 2010 redesign also include the twin-turbo V6 replacing the V8 or what?
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:49 PM   #16
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Either way it sounds like we'll be waiting a while to see these new engines. Supposedly not too much is changing engine-wise in the 2010 (or at least that was the case last time I was on the Stang forums).

Has anyone heard differently? Will the 2010 redesign also include the twin-turbo V6 replacing the V8 or what?
It will be an alternate option, from what I can tell, and it will be about the same price.
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From what I've read the Ecoboost will only cost an additional $700 to the consumer. However, the ecoboost V6 WILL replace the V8 in the GT, so you looking at GT cost plus $700
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^Wait what? They're killing the V8 in Mustang? That's gonna have a lot of guys upset...meaning better business for the Camaro
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^Wait what? They're killing the V8 in Mustang? That's gonna have a lot of guys upset...meaning better business for the Camaro
No the Eco boost is an option not a replacment.
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Ok, um, in the OP, it mentions a 340hp ecoboost V6. I just spent 5 minutes looking at both of those links and it doesn't say anything 340hp squat, except by someone who posted a comment. Show me.
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Ok, um, in the OP, it mentions a 340hp ecoboost V6. I just spent 5 minutes looking at both of those links and it doesn't say anything 340hp squat, except by someone who posted a comment. Show me.
The motor produces 340hp in the Lincoln MK..something or other.
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the thing that scares me is the fact that a chip/ reflash for the eco boost would prb yield very high numbers...
look how much power u get from the reflash for the 335 BMW
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the thing that scares me is the fact that a chip/ reflash for the eco boost would prb yield very high numbers...
look how much power u get from the reflash for the 335 BMW
Exactly for example here at my house we have an 05 mustang turbo, 06 magnum srt-8, 09 evo X. And to get 30-40 rwhp out of the mustang and the magnum I had to get what? intake/tune/headers/udp's. We took the evo to the dyno and we gained 36hp 100% stock doing some age old tricks with just messing with the PCV system and using some vacuum plugs here and there. Then with the reflash, boost controller we were over more than 100rwhp. A car that comes turbo from the factory is always better to lightly mod than a n/a car. For example since I already have a nice street/drag car if I were to buy the 2010 mustang or any car for example I would make damn sure it is turbo from the factory.

For under 2k you gain over 100rwhp easily and imagine the gains on a bigger engine persay. With a mod list of under 5k the boosted car from the factory will run circles around a n/a car in the same $ modded range. Now obviously if you make both turbo thats a whole other story but typically talking making a car that was n/a turbo is a pain in the ass since you mostly have to get internals since very little are forged from the factory and most have relative high compression to make power na. Not to mention while you are it you need numerous fuel system upgrades.

Summary if I want to keep the stock warranty, spend under 5k modding the car and get the most giddy-up for the $ it is the boosted car hands down.

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yup.... if this turbo stang actually comes out id be more than a little bit nervous even with the SS n a few bolt ones if i run into a chipped turbo v6 mustang
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the turbo eco-tech become the base engine and a turbo 3.6DI become available with the F3 suspension. That would spank the mustang.
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