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Old 01-11-2010, 04:28 AM   #1
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M6 Owners With Skip-Shift Feature Beware!

I was driving with my wife tonight and for the umteenth time, I have been dealing with repeated skip shift problems. Before you jump all over me, I am well aware there is a bypass available and that skip shift was implemented to avoid gas guzzler taxes. I am currently looking into getting the bypass but I think GM needs to do something better.

Skip shift is occuring at the most inopportune times, but I've been dealing with it...that is until tonight, where it became more than an inconvenience.

I was sitting at a red light tonight driving to my mother's house after dinner with my wife and the hill was a pretty steep incline. The light turned green and the car behind me was right on my bumper. I have been driving manual for a very long time and regardless of how good you think you are, you are going to roll back, even if it is just a little. Tonight, I was able to get the car moving but as soon as I went for second gear, skip shift went into effect, I switched to fourth and the car stalled. The car behind me missed my bumper by literally a hair. If I wasn't quick on the brake, I would have rolled back and hit the guy and my wife was scared out of her mind as she let out a shriek when it happened.

This nuisance is an accident waiting to happen and thankfully it can be bypassed, but the average "Joe" wouldn't know how and just deal with it until an accident happens. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks all!

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Old 01-11-2010, 04:34 AM   #2
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what does this have to do with skip shift?
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:37 AM   #3
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I shifted to first and quickly went for second to get up the hill and skip shift forced me to fourth and the car stalled. Not every situation would result in an accident like this, but it certainly invites greater opportunities for it to happen.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:38 AM   #4
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I agree with you completely. GM should make this much easier to bypass!!
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:45 AM   #5
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Put a few more RPMS into it and you won't have any problems.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:53 AM   #6
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Put a few more RPMS into it and you won't have any problems.
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You knew the hill was there, drive it a little more aggressive to avoid the skip shift.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:56 AM   #7
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You knew the hill was there, drive it a little more aggressive to avoid the skip shift.
Yeah, would be a great idea if I A) Didn't give my wife whiplash or B) Tried to drive tame because my wife hates it when I drive like an animal. I shouldn't have to drive aggressive all the time to keep my wife and I safe.
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Old 01-11-2010, 05:52 AM   #8
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Yeah, would be a great idea if I A) Didn't give my wife whiplash or B) Tried to drive tame because my wife hates it when I drive like an animal. I shouldn't have to drive aggressive all the time to keep my wife and I safe.
Don't be afraid to burn a little gas in 1st. Exceed 19 mph in 1st and you will be able to shift into 2nd every time. Or spend $20 on a SLP skipshift eliminator. It is very easy.
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Don't be afraid to burn a little gas in 1st. Exceed 19 mph in 1st and you will be able to shift into 2nd every time. Or spend $20 on a SLP skipshift eliminator. It is very easy.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I know it's mostly the way I'm driving but it just doesn't feel natural. My Cobalt doesn't do it and I guess that's what I'm used to. Is the SLP eliminator easy to install?
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I know it's mostly the way I'm driving but it just doesn't feel natural. My Cobalt doesn't do it and I guess that's what I'm used to. Is the SLP eliminator easy to install?
4th gen yea dunno about the 5th at what rpms do you shift out of 1st. just hold the rpms till about 2.2k and you will be fine
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what does this have to do with skip shift?
What does this mean? Do you even now what it does? It locks you out of the GEAR!

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Put a few more RPMS into it and you won't have any problems.
Oh so Chevy answer for getting rid of the gas guzzler tax is to make you go faster before you shift? NICE!

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4th gen yea dunno about the 5th at what rpms do you shift out of 1st. just hold the rpms till about 2.2k and you will be fine
Again why should you have to do this all the time STUPID!

To the OP I agree that is why the first purchase I made was the eliminator I am sure my insurance company would love to here the reason I was in an accident was because my car locked me out of a gear.
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I was driving with my wife tonight and for the umteenth time, I have been dealing with repeated skip shift problems. Before you jump all over me, I am well aware there is a bypass available and that skip shift was implemented to avoid gas guzzler taxes. I am currently looking into getting the bypass but I think GM needs to do something better.

Skip shift is occuring at the most inopportune times, but I've been dealing with it...that is until tonight, where it became more than an inconvenience.

I was sitting at a red light tonight driving to my mother's house after dinner with my wife and the hill was a pretty steep incline. The light turned green and the car behind me was right on my bumper. I have been driving manual for a very long time and regardless of how good you think you are, you are going to roll back, even if it is just a little. Tonight, I was able to get the car moving but as soon as I went for second gear, skip shift went into effect, I switched to fourth and the car stalled. The car behind me missed my bumper by literally a hair. If I wasn't quick on the brake, I would have rolled back and hit the guy and my wife was scared out of her mind as she let out a shriek when it happened.

This nuisance is an accident waiting to happen and thankfully it can be bypassed, but the average "Joe" wouldn't know how and just deal with it until an accident happens. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks all!
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What does this mean? Do you even now what it does? It locks you out of the GEAR!



Oh so Chevy answer for getting rid of the gas guzzler tax is to make you go faster before you shift? NICE!



Again why should you have to do this all the time STUPID!

To the OP I agree that is why the first purchase I made was the eliminator I am sure my insurance company would love to here the reason I was in an accident was because my car locked me out of a gear.
i'm having a bit of a hard time understanding how on earth something like a skip shift could cause you an accident if your driving properly.


the skip shift locks out 2nd and 3rd gear if 5 different conditions are met... and then it only locks it out for less then a half second.

being that you were in the right range for it to come on; you could have easily taken a cool moment and the skip would have been deactivated. no need to gun it, no stupid manuvers... just a quick pause and you would be on your way.

when i drive mine i'm weary of the fact that it can occasionally lock me out; it's something you just account for or pay up the 20 bucks and plug the sensor.
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:45 AM   #13
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I agree its the stupidest thing they can put on the car. My 2002 T/A WS6 had the same darn thing and it caught me off guard several times. One time I recall was I was in the process of sifting to 2nd when a car came thru a stop sign at me and I could not get the car in 2nd gear and nearly got hit. After that incidents I ordered the SLP skip-shift eliminator kit and the dealer installed it free of charge. It was just a jumper harness to go between the factory harness and the trans solenoid.
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:51 AM   #14
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I can see how the skip shift can cause you to lug the car down from time to time. I too am really annoyed by it. Im more of a 1-3-5 kinda shifter when im driving not so crazy. And all the time Im locked out of 3rd which to me seems like a much more agreeable gear when shifting from first at 15~ mph. When I go to forth, the gearbox makes a nasty sound and it doesnt sound like the engine likes it either.

Im not much of one for things that will void my warranty, but for the sake of enjoyment I may just install one of those skip shift eliminators. It's really frustrating when im moving through an intersection and get locked out of the gear that I want and have to coast while I go from 3rd to 4th cuz it wont let me into 3rd... all the while im holding up traffic.

All you blow hards can criticize all you want. "drive it harder", "mash the gas", "if you drive it properly"... It's my car, I'll drive it how I want to. Problem is, after driving stick shifts for x number of years, I cant drive this car like I want to... and I agree with the OP, it's getting really frustrating.
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:08 AM   #15
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Does a skip shift eliminator really void your warranty? If so, why? I installed a short throw Hurst in mine, my dealership knows it, and I am not aware of any issues with this. Probably breaks some Federal tree hugger law to eliminate skip shift.
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:09 AM   #16
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where can i get the eliminator? link?

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Old 01-11-2010, 08:12 AM   #17
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:upset: its big brother at work skipping shifts for you dammit let us skip our own dam shifts if we want to not some control freaks computer
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I agree it is stupid to have the skip shift.

I drove my 4th gen all the time, it was a stick.

I too am a 1-3-5 shifter at times. went 20 mph in first. never had a problem.

get the eliminator if it is inconvenient to shift smoothly with more than 2-3,000 rpm
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:52 AM   #19
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here is an old trick we used on our 4th gens....

skip shift can be done for less than $5 and 20 mins of your time.....
(this is done on a 4th gen camaro....but the skip shift solenoid should look the same between the T56 and the current trans.....im pretty sure they will use the same connector as well...)

here is the write up of how to do it
http://www.installuniversity.com/ins...adio_shack.htm

hopefully someone will give this a try and let us know if it works...

here is the picture of a trans with the !CAGS solenoid circled:

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Does a skip shift eliminator really void your warranty? If so, why? I installed a short throw Hurst in mine, my dealership knows it, and I am not aware of any issues with this. Probably breaks some Federal tree hugger law to eliminate skip shift.
it wont void your warrenty if you take it off and plug the connector back in before you take the car to the dealer
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Put a few more RPMS into it and you won't have any problems.
Yep, this is all you need to do. The easiest bypass for free. You don't have to drive aggressively either to do this. I do understand the concern though.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:32 AM   #22
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I had a similar experience in my 4th Gen where the skip shift almost got me t-boned....So the Skip shift eliminator was on within a few days of buying the 5th gen. It is absolutely necessary IMHO.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:33 AM   #23
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You don't have to hot dog this car to eliminate the skip shift problem. All you have to do is just drive the car to about 15 miles an hour before you shift and you will never have this problem. You don't have to dog the car to get it to do this, just drive it normal. Go and try this and you will see what we are talking about. I know this is kinda a bad design but would you rather pay a gas guzzler tax, I think not.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:38 AM   #24
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I asked my dealer if it would void the warrantee if I put it in, and they said no. May not be true of all GM dealers, but I figured I'd mention this.

Also, they said they would install it as well, lol.
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I can't believe that so many people are even encountering the "skip shift". I have to accelerate PAINFULLY slowly to even get the thing to engage. If you accelerate at the rate of the average prius you'll never even see it.

People are gonna spaz out for hearing this but if you drive this car and constantly see the skip shift light then you probably were a better customer for the V6 Camaro. Why even get an SS if you're not going to use it?
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