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Old 08-18-2008, 10:19 AM   #1
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Everyone is talking about the SS, but I just saw the numbers for the 3.6L and its suppose to put out 300 hp and 273 torque. Thats pretty crazy considering what the old LT1's and LS1's put out, its pretty cool how things change sometimes


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Old 08-18-2008, 10:32 AM   #2
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The 3.6 has been netting a good bit of popularity, believe me. Just head over to the V6 discussion boards.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:43 AM   #3
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And the V6 has even won over a few die-hard V8 enthusiasts (possibly myself included...still undecided).
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:48 AM   #4
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whats the mpg on the 6 like
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:57 AM   #5
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27mpg...they estimate 26, though until the EPA does their thing.
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:27 PM   #6
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27mpg...they estimate 26, though until the EPA does their thing.
Is 27 MPG with the manual and 26 with the auto?
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:38 PM   #7
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Is 27 MPG with the manual and 26 with the auto?
It's all an educated guess at the moment until final specs are released.

For comparison, the 2008 Cadillac CTS with the same engine/trans combos:

3.6l DI + 6L50 Automatic: 17city/26hwy
3.6l DI + Aisin AY6 Manual: 16city/25hwy

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx...Field=Findacar
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:25 PM   #8
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I'd like to add (even though I don't post a lot I do read a lot here)...

I know many of you are concerned (as am I) about gas mileage.

But, when I drove to Indy in 2000 (damn 8years ago!!) with a 6speed and 4.10 gears in my 97 Camaro SS i actually got 30mpg on my way out there from Maryland. A friend who was traveling in his 94 Z28 couldn't understand why his gas mileage was worst because he had 3.42's (he had a 6speed too) that all that up and downshifting killed his gas mileage where for me, the car stayed in 6th gear and I cruised....Just food for thought.

So when you see those numbers I am willing to bet there will be a few of us that WILL get even better then that with the right gear ratio.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:35 PM   #9
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2010 Camaro V6 vs 2009 CTS 300 HP V6

I rented a CTS ( not with the DI 300+ HP version of the V6 ) a few months ago. With the announcement of GM’s Employee Pricing For everyone – and the ( surprising, to me ) inclusion of the 2009 CTS in this promotion – I decided to schedule a quick test drive.

Given that this CTS essentially has the same motor that will be in the base Camaro. . .

And given that the automatic trans. in the CTS is also a 6L50 – same as in the Camaro . . .

And given that the CTS’s final drive ratio is 3.42:1 – a bit more aggressive ( approx. 4.5% ) than the Camaro V6’s 3.27 . . .

And the CTS’s weight is only about 200 #s ( approx. 6% ) more than the announced weight of the Camaro V6 . . .

Well – I truly hope that 200 # weight advantage for the Camaro makes a whole lot more difference than I’d expect in acceleration – or I fear that many will be disappointed in this aspect. The R&T test of a CTS, with performance options but few luxury options, shows 0 – 60 = 6.0 seconds. And the Quarter in 14.5 @ 98.2.

Though I may be somewhat ‘spoiled’ by the Corvette I drive daily, I really was underwhelmed by the 300 HP CTS’s acceleration. ( MSRP was nearly $50K, BTW ) I do not see what these numbers represent as a particularly sporting or sprightly level of acceleration.

The CTS did not feel quick to me, at all . . .

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Old 08-20-2008, 01:41 PM   #10
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That V6 is really lucrative. It's definitely no slouch to the competition out there.
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Old 08-20-2008, 02:20 PM   #11
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I think a base car that runs in the 14s is no slouch. As you stated earlier, this power is not far from LS1s even (although, they aren't known to be pretty underrated.) Regardless, my LT1 ran low 14s stock, so I don't think the DI V6 at 300+ horse' running similar times is anything to sneeze at personally. It all comes down to what your preferrences are though
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Old 08-20-2008, 03:31 PM   #12
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I rented a CTS ( not with the DI 300+ HP version of the V6 ) a few months ago. With the announcement of GM’s Employee Pricing For everyone – and the ( surprising, to me ) inclusion of the 2009 CTS in this promotion – I decided to schedule a quick test drive.

Given that this CTS essentially has the same motor that will be in the base Camaro. . .

And given that the automatic trans. in the CTS is also a 6L50 – same as in the Camaro . . .

And given that the CTS’s final drive ratio is 3.42:1 – a bit more aggressive ( approx. 4.5% ) than the Camaro V6’s 3.27 . . .

And the CTS’s weight is only about 200 #s ( approx. 6% ) more than the announced weight of the Camaro V6 . . .

Well – I truly hope that 200 # weight advantage for the Camaro makes a whole lot more difference than I’d expect in acceleration – or I fear that many will be disappointed in this aspect. The R&T test of a CTS, with performance options but few luxury options, shows 0 – 60 = 6.0 seconds. And the Quarter in 14.5 @ 98.2.

Though I may be somewhat ‘spoiled’ by the Corvette I drive daily, I really was underwhelmed by the 300 HP CTS’s acceleration. ( MSRP was nearly $50K, BTW ) I do not see what these numbers represent as a particularly sporting or sprightly level of acceleration.

The CTS did not feel quick to me, at all . . .

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200#s more weight and 40hp less in a luxury car. I'm sure its going to accelerate faster than the CTS you drove. I'm sure the shift points and firmness will make it quicker feeling. Quiet and smooth never feels fast even if it is.
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The V6 Camaro will run 0-60 6.0 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 at best.
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Old 08-20-2008, 04:27 PM   #14
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The V6 Camaro will run 0-60 6.0 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 at best.
Wrong.


The CTS does 0-60 in 5.7 and the Camaro is lighter/sportier than the CTS

look for the 0-60 to be 5.5 and 1/4 in 14.1
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The CTS does 0-60 in 5.7 and the Camaro is lighter/sportier than the CTS

look for the 0-60 to be 5.5 and 1/4 in 14.1
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Old 08-20-2008, 06:07 PM   #16
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I think the V6 will be very impressive. I am going with the SS because I love the LS3 but the V6 is still very tempting. I had a 1994 Z28 with a LT1 which was rated at 275hp so using that as a basis I would say this V6 will run just fine. When compared with other V6 cars in its class it will stomp the competition much like the late 90's Camaro RS did.
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Old 08-20-2008, 06:16 PM   #17
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200#s more weight and 40hp less in a luxury car. I'm sure its going to accelerate faster than the CTS you drove. I'm sure the shift points and firmness will make it quicker feeling. Quiet and smooth never feels fast even if it is.
I apologize, I was not clear.
The one I just drove DID HAVE the 300+ HP DI version of the 3.6L V6.
And every other available option, except AWD, I believe...
And it just did not feel quick -
or light on its feet, in acceleration -
to me.
The rental I had a while back did not have the 300+ HP version of the V6...
Sorry.
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Again, I do hope I am wrong here, and the Camaro V6 feels wuicker...
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:26 PM   #18
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The V6 Camaro will run 0-60 6.0 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.5 at best.
Dude, even if it "only" runs those numbers, its the "slow" "plain jane" V6 banger cmon thats phenominal! That means you slap an airkit and exhaust and your 6 banger is a 13 second car. I mean thats not as fast as my Z06 but 13's for the "slow" version of a car is pretty amazing.



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It's all an educated guess at the moment until final specs are released.

For comparison, the 2008 Cadillac CTS with the same engine/trans combos:

3.6l DI + 6L50 Automatic: 17city/26hwy
3.6l DI + Aisin AY6 Manual: 16city/25hwy

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx...Field=Findacar
Yeah, but the manual in the CTS has different gearing. I looked it up. Longer 1-3 gears, same 4-5, shorter 6, and a higher final drive (nearly 4.0). Expect the Camaro to do better.
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Wrong.


The CTS does 0-60 in 5.7 and the Camaro is lighter/sportier than the CTS

look for the 0-60 to be 5.5 and 1/4 in 14.1
I have also read another test where the DI CTS 304hp ran 0-60 in 6.5 and the 1/4 in 14.9.

If the V6 Camaro runs faster then 6.0 and 14.5 1/4 I will be shocked.
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Dude, even if it "only" runs those numbers, its the "slow" "plain jane" V6 banger cmon thats phenominal! That means you slap an airkit and exhaust and your 6 banger is a 13 second car. I mean thats not as fast as my Z06 but 13's for the "slow" version of a car is pretty amazing.



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If the V6 Camaro runs the 1/4 in 14.5 seconds, by adding an intake and better exhaust might add 25hp, which will lower the 1/4 mile by 1/4 second. Expect low 14's with intake and exhaust upgrade.
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If the V6 Camaro runs the 1/4 in 14.5 seconds, by adding an intake and better exhaust might add 25hp, which will lower the 1/4 mile by 1/4 second. Expect low 14's with intake and exhaust upgrade.
Actually, its already been dyno proven that intake and cat-back net the V6 31 rwhp.
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After doing more research I think the V6 Camaro might do 5.7 to 60 and the 1/4 in 14.2. Add intake exhaust, 5.5 and 13.9 1/4. Thats awesome for a $25,000 Camaro.
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After doing more research I think the V6 Camaro might do 5.7 to 60 and the 1/4 in 14.2. Add intake exhaust, 5.5 and 13.9 1/4. Thats awesome for a $25,000 Camaro.
agreed and even if the numbers are a little worse for a stock v6 at that price like you said is awesome
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