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Old 08-19-2008, 03:12 AM   #1
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Manual Trans in The ls3 v8 ??

so like i know the camaro will have a cheaper v8 and a more expensive v8 thats has allot more power... so what i was wondering is that can you get the manual transmission (6speed) in the cheaper v8 ? cause by reading the specs on it you cant by my understanding? if so im screwed! cause its 3 peddles or nothing lol
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Old 08-19-2008, 03:34 AM   #2
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I don't think the engine with les power will actually be cheaper. The manual will be standard equipment with the auto as an option. http://www.camaro5.com:80/forums/showthread.php?t=6040. Also you'd have to consider what that "cheaper" engine does, it has cylinder deactivation and the auto comes with paddle shifters of some kind.
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:14 AM   #3
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there's no such thing as a "cheaper" V8 model at launch... the L99 is the 400hp cylinder deactivation engine that only comes with the automatic transmission... the 422hp engine is the LS3 and is only available with the manual... do not be surprised if the manual transmission option is a price adder, as GM is wanting to sell the heck out of the autos.

also dont be surprised if these numbers, much like the 361hp in the G8, are way low for what the car is actually producing.
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:29 AM   #4
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there's no such thing as a "cheaper" V8 model at launch... the L99 is the 400hp cylinder deactivation engine that only comes with the automatic transmission... the 422hp engine is the LS3 and is only available with the manual... do not be surprised if the manual transmission option is a price adder, as GM is wanting to sell the heck out of the autos.

also dont be surprised if these numbers, much like the 361hp in the G8, are way low for what the car is actually producing.
I would imagine the automatic transmission would be more expensive than the manual..
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Old 08-19-2008, 07:56 AM   #5
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I would imagine the automatic transmission would be more expensive than the manual..
while historically the case, I believe we will see role reversal in this model
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:20 AM   #6
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On the GTOs the manual was a $695 option, auto was standard.
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It would seem to me the auto' would be more pricey too. I think the AFM in the L99 would have something to do with that since it sounds more complex than the LS3, valvetrain-wise. I'm sure it'll be underrated and under tuned. I'm sure getting rid of the TM would help a lot. I can tell you the difference in my car with the TM on and with it off were litterally night and day.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:15 PM   #8
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On the GTOs the manual was a $695 option, auto was standard.
The GTO also did not have AFM and the more sophisticated transmission setup that will be in the automatic Camaro (good old 4 speed was in the GTO while the Camaro will have a 6 speed and paddle shifters or a manual operation of some kind).

Another factor to consider is that, since GM knew the automatic would get the gas guzzler tax, I think they used that as a reason to charge extra for the 6 speed and say to people "hey, you're still getting it cheaper than an automatic without the gas tax"
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The GTO also did not have AFM and the more sophisticated transmission setup that will be in the automatic Camaro (good old 4 speed was in the GTO while the Camaro will have a 6 speed and paddle shifters or a manual operation of some kind).

Another factor to consider is that, since GM knew the automatic would get the gas guzzler tax, I think they used that as a reason to charge extra for the 6 speed and say to people "hey, you're still getting it cheaper than an automatic without the gas tax"
The A6 will have a gas-guzzler tax while the M6 won't?

I figure the rated EPA MPG will be similar...
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Just to avoid confusion I put parenthesis around the term cheaper to show I didn't actually agree that the l99 would be cheaper. I was quoting the original poster.
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The A6 will have a gas-guzzler tax while the M6 won't?

I figure the rated EPA MPG will be similar...
No, no, no...... I sorry, I think I might not have been very clear..... I was talking about the GTO and why I don't think you will have to pay for the manual on the Camaro:

What I meant, was, that since the 6 speed manual was a 695.00 option on the GTO, GM may have been using the fact that the standard 4 speed automatic was subject to a federal 1200.00 gas guzzler tax to garner some extra cash, while still be able to say the 6 speed manual was less than the automatic.

The AFM should help the Camaro avoid a gas guzzler tax. GM is aiming for 23 mpg highway with the automatic L99, which is about 3 mpg highway more than the 6.0 4 speed automatic got on the GTO. Not to mention, the ratings system has been revised since the GTO went out of production, so the L99 Camaro should be quite a bit more economical than the GTO automatic ever was.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:32 PM   #12
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I think the 422hp manual might be more $$$ then the 400hp auto.


After reading the specs, it sounds like the manual will be standard and the auto will cost more. Thats usually the way it is.

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It would seem to me the auto' would be more pricey too. I think the AFM in the L99 would have something to do with that since it sounds more complex than the LS3, valvetrain-wise. I'm sure it'll be underrated and under tuned. I'm sure getting rid of the TM would help a lot. I can tell you the difference in my car with the TM on and with it off were litterally night and day.
I must be having a brain fart but what is a TM?

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I think the 422hp manual might be more $$$ then the 400hp auto.
I hope not
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ill be po'd if the auto is more and why cant they be the same price as the 69's
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