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Old 02-08-2010, 01:28 PM   #51
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Yes, Peyton would be the man, but he came up short last night. But, really our argument wasn't about Peyton because he already won a ring. So in my book he gets a shot to be up on the list. All I was trying to say is take all the superbowl winners and compare them. Then ,everyone else goes on the list from there.
Yea I know, my original comments were based on how Peyton/Brady/Brees? are all better than Bradshaw even though they don't have the rings.


Bradshaw is a great example of why having the most rings doesn't mean your the best.

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I've come to the conclusion you just hate the Steelers, Bradshaw was an awesome QB, you just don't like him, Bradshaw has 4 SB's, 2 time SB mvp, led the NFL with 28 td's in 1978. Bradshaw is a top 5 QB.
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I've come to the conclusion you just hate the Steelers, Bradshaw was an awesome QB, you just don't like him, Bradshaw has 4 SB's, 2 time SB mvp, led the NFL with 28 td's in 1978. Bradshaw is a top 5 QB.
There is no way he is a top 5 QB.

Montana
Elway
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Manning
Farve
Marino
Staubach

All better.


I'd put him at 8 if you leave off Unitas.... if not, 9.

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I get you we were arguing two different thing. I do agree with that. The most rings don't make you the best. I just say have a ring should be one of the things needed along with the other stats to put you up on list.

Anyhow Staubach and Aikman were the best ever.
I'd put Staubach above Bradshaw... but Aikman... meeeeeeeeh..... He was just like Bradshaw.
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[QUOTE=Zeus;1462092]There is no way he is a top 5 QB.

Montana
Elway
Brady
Manning
Farve
Marino
Staubach

All better.


I'd put him at 8 if you leave off Unitas.... if not, 9.



Number 8, yea you are the NFL genius, can I have your autograph, you have Brady at number 3,

Montana
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I think your both wrong putting favre anywhere near the top five.
That wasn't in order, but I'd put him top 7 based on his statistics
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No one will ever do what Bradshaw did and why he is #1, no one can break his record of 2 in a row, 2 years apart for 4 total.

wobble passes or not, he called the shots and that what got it done.
QB are rarely allow to think for themself anymore and why no one will ever do what he did.



That is why he is #1, all other records can be broken but his never will.
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No one will ever do what Bradshaw did and why he is #1, no one can break his record of 2 in a row, 2 years apart for 4 total.

wobble passes or not, he called the shots and that what got it done.
QB are rarely allow to think for themself anymore and why no one will ever do what he did.



That is why he is #1, all other records can be broken but his never will.
You are exactly right, Bradshaw rocks
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:19 PM   #59
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No one will ever do what Bradshaw did and why he is #1, no one can break his record of 2 in a row, 2 years apart for 4 total.

wobble passes or not, he called the shots and that what got it done.
QB are rarely allow to think for themself anymore and why no one will ever do what he did.



That is why he is #1, all other records can be broken but his never will.
Terry Bradshaw never set any 'untouchable' record, he wasn't nearly good enough.


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You are exactly right, Bradshaw rocks
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Did you hear about that endorsement deal Terry Bradshaw turned down?

yea, me neither.
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4 SuperBowl rings says it all
Bradshaw didn't have to depend on his kicker to win all his SuperBowls.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:37 AM   #61
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4 SuperBowl rings says it all
Bradshaw didn't have to depend on his kicker to win all his SuperBowls.
No he had to depend on his defense, running game and swann.
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you forgot Stallworth and Rocky, c'mon now,
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This would be much less bothersome if you were kidding, or if Bradshaw really was as good as you think he is
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This would be much less bothersome if you were kidding, or if Bradshaw really was as good as you think he is
Don't bother then, Bradshaw is one of the greatest.
"Here We Go Steelers"
So who is your NFL team.
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Don't bother then, Bradshaw is one of the greatest.
"Here We Go Steelers"
So who is your NFL team.
Dolphin's, but the NFL sucks compared to NCAA so I only watch the playoffs
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[QUOTE=Zeus;1465142]Dolphin's, but the NFL sucks compared to NCAA so I only watch the playoffs[/QUOTE

Dolphins, that's cool, I think Henne will be an awesome QB if they let him loose next season.
I have not been to happy with the NFL either, these rule changes are getting crazy.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:31 AM   #67
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Dolphins, that's cool, I think Henne will be an awesome QB if they let him loose next season.
I have not been to happy with the NFL either, these rule changes are getting crazy.
I don't know if he is the future or not..... He certainly has the arm, but I don't think he has the noodle.
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Manning is good, but not THAT good. If he wins tomorrow and plays a couple more years at the same level, I'll put him at the top of my list.
Bump to say that he LOST, and this year was a terrible year. I stand by what I said here a year ago and I think that if Brady wins it all this year, I bump him to number one.

He is having maybe the best year of his career. And they got rid of a future HOFer.

And Brady has had anytning but a perenial pro-bowl offensive roster.

And GTAHVIT will be sporting big fat Tom Brady/Patriots sticker on his back window in April.
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Well, I guess I will give my top 5.

1. John Elway. He gets the edge because out of most of the list, he's the only one who played in the elements and still made the list. Imagine if he had played more games in the warm weather and had HOF type recievers. He only leaned on the running game toward the end. But make no mistake, the Broncos went as far as Elway would take them.
2. Tom Brady. Like Elway, he played in a LOT of bad weather and, until Moss, had crap for recievers for the most part. Brady did benefit from a Defense that was one of the best but he also was hamstrung by a coach who wanted to play ball control and yet Brady still made the difference. In games where ball control wasn't working, Belichek would let Tom be Tom and take over the game. In a system that called for a 'Game Manager' type QB, he still managed to carve out HOF numbers.
3. Dan Marino. His quick release is what we now use as the benchmark for how a NFL QB should do it. Accurate and had an 'Elwayesque' cannon for an arm. Marino could just 'will' his team down the feild. Nothing was impossible while he was on the feild. If there ever was a QB that you had to play 61 minutes against, it was Marino.
4. Peyton Manning. You may never again see a better and more accurate down the feild pass. It's almost like an art form. Could very well be at the top of the list before it's done. Any pressure on him usually spells something ugly. But it's the ONLY thing you can remotely find to critisize him for. And I thought about it for a while. lol
5. Joe Montana. He gets dropped to 5 because he's the poster child for the term 'System QB'. Not his fault and his final years with KC weren't terrible. He played in warm weather and had Jerry Rice for a reciever. Again, not his fault but arm strength was a question and not needed as much as with the 4 above him because of the system he was in. Short passes and run after catch is where a lot of numbers come from. Still, one of the very best.


It's a fun topic and there are no right answers. I watched all of these guys play and was very familiar with them. Some of the older guys like Graham and Unitas I can't speak too much for but I agree with Zues, that the players from 30 years ago wouldn't translate very well to todays game.


I agree with this list, with a few changes, add ons.

Elway, like you said didn't have a running game until the last two years. That's why he finally won two. He is the number one qb of all time for what you've stated above as well as the most 4th quarter comeback victories of all time, was the record holder for most regular season wins and, IMHO, was the most competitive qb ever. The drive, drive v2 and the dive all proved that.

Brady, for all you said. Really nothing to say here. Best player on the best team, key word here, TEAM, in the NFL, and I can't stand them, lol.

Manning, again completely agree here. Add in he's probably the smartest qb to play the game, which, IMHO, is why he's not above Brady. I think sometimes he over analyzes the game instead of just playing. He ever gets a consistent defense, his team will be truly dangerous.

Montana, nothing to add here. HOF players surrounded him, but he still had to make it work. 4 rings say he has to be in the argument.

Marino, all the records, before Favre, put him on this list. Can't be higher then 5 because everyone above him has at least 1 ring.


Bradshaw, Favre, Fouts, Aikman and Kelly would probably round out my top ten. One could pull Fouts for Unitas, Favre for Graham. Gotta leave Kelly and Bradshaw I think. The 4 straight appearances and the rings keep them in it. Aikman can be argued, but I can't think of anyone I'd put above him right now.
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I agree with MLEE, you forgot Dan Fouts he was a great passer, and I know he never got any titles, but when he was playing the defense for the Chargers sucked.
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lol at all the comments about bradshaw being a great qb. i need whatever their smokin!
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Bump to say that he LOST, and this year was a terrible year. I stand by what I said here a year ago and I think that if Brady wins it all this year, I bump him to number one.

He is having maybe the best year of his career. And they got rid of a future HOFer.

And Brady has had anytning but a perenial pro-bowl offensive roster.

And GTAHVIT will be sporting big fat Tom Brady/Patriots sticker on his back window in April.

Brady will win it this year and prove why he is #1
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Not going to get caught up in the whole list of 10, but I will say that the reasons PQ listed for Brady as best go double for Montana.

Now, I'm not an old guy who's standing up for people who played "back in the day", but Unitas is the top QB. Besides being a great on-field general, Unitas and Ray Berry invented and perfected timing between the quarterback and receiver. If they played today, they'd carve up a defense just like they did back then. If you ever get a chance, watch some of the old film of them. The routes, timing and placement is as sharp as the best players of today, but done by guys wearing potato sacks for jerseys, and those dorky looking helmets.
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#1 is Manning by a long shot and then there's the rest of them...
Noone does more for a team in history...they would literally be the worst team in the league without him for the last 10 years..
Of course I am a little biased but watching him is so much different from everyone else I have ever seen IMO. Joe Montana would be my #2..
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