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Old 01-20-2010, 11:34 AM   #1
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Why isn't the Camaro in NASCAR????

Here's your answer:

Here is a quote from the head of GM Racing, Mark Kent -

"We've looked at racing the Camaro, and one thing we do not want to do is to force the car where it shouldn't be," Kent said. "We looked at NASCAR, for example--took a very hard look at running the Camaro in the Nationwide series. That was a request made of us by NASCAR, and we have had a ... See Moretremendous partnership with NASCAR, so we took a very hard look at it.

"At the end of the day, because of the quest for very close competition and the need to have templated bodies in that series, we felt that by forcing the Camaro into the Nationwide templates that we were compromising the body lines of an iconic car. So at the end of the day we just could not get the Camaro in the Nationwide series to satisfy our requirements."





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That would be the ugliest Camaro ever built. Have you ever seen a Mustang Funny Car? Not much resemblence (sp) except for the grill and tail lights.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:47 AM   #3
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Good posting. I for one would like to harken back to the Original Trans Am series. real production based autos with necessary safety mods going head to head. Keep hem as close to stock looking as possible.

Now that would be racing to go and see. I went and watched a Mustang Challenge race here at the Autobahn race course last year. Damn, those cars looked awesome. Just had to close my eyes and imagine Camaros and Challengers in the mix.

Ah, the things of which dreams are made!
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:54 AM   #4
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I agree with coolman, it went from "National Association for Stock Car Automotive Racing" to the National Association for STANDARDIZED Car Automotive Racing.
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All it is ,is a fricken sticker anyhow. They have nothing to do with the real cars that we drive.
true, but manufactures do claim to "learn" things from NASCAR teams.... who knows?
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Scotty:

Good posting. I for one would like to harken back to the Original Trans Am series. real production based autos with necessary safety mods going head to head. Keep hem as close to stock looking as possible.

Now that would be racing to go and see. I went and watched a Mustang Challenge race here at the Autobahn race course last year. Damn, those cars looked awesome. Just had to close my eyes and imagine Camaros and Challengers in the mix.

Ah, the things of which dreams are made!
I think a Trans Am type series would do good now.. Many of the Nascar tracks now have a roadcourse in the infield... Maybe we should all write to Bruton Smith to start his own race series like that a t all his tracks.. I bet many would go see it...I know a few years ago he looked into starting a new Stock car series, similar to Nascar, when Nascar was holding back approving some of his tracks for a second race.. Now just may be the time if he gets enough feedback.

I can see it now, the "American Muscle Car Racing Series". AMCRS.
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Hey Scotty, how's that mule your driving?
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A couple of years ago I was talking to a GM engineer in Detroit, and the one thing they gleaned from participation in NASCAR (and I am sure from other forms or racing also) is Discipline. Regimmented engineering and consistency of development was a key factor in assigning company engineers to work with the various racing teams.
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They say that to keep the bean Counters off their backs.
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SAMECAR racing: same car, different stickers
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SAMECAR racing: same car, different stickers
The nose pieces are all different same basic shape but different indentions for the grill and headlight decals and side window shape...Specific for the car they repersent, Engines are different also. (until they all have to use the Engine Nascar is working on)
Actually the Nationwide cars will be closer in apperance to the production cars than the Cup are.
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IROC series, lol
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IROC series, lol
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:54 PM   #14
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Who cares about NASCAR... just a bunch of jelly beans going around in circles.

They have rules to make the cars more competitive... gotta make everyone feel good...

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How about "North American Musclecar Racing Series"! Only Camaros, Challys and Mustangs, much like the Trans Am series but muscle cars only! Plenty of road courses around the country. Would be an awsome series to watch!
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They have rules to make the cars more competitive... gotta make everyone feel good...
You mean like almost every racing series...everywhere? Keep on hating.
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If you want to see the Camaro in road racing, Stevenson Motorsports is going to be racing a heavily modified Camaro in the Grand Am Rolex series this coming season: http://www.stevensonmotorsports.com/ and Riley Technologies is racing a Camaro in the KONI Challenge. http://www.rileytech.com/
Of the two, the one in the KONI race series will be the closest to stock.
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I don't hate... I've actually dedicated my life to helping at risk kids better their lives and try to bring out the best in people...

And I'm just saying NASCAR is BORING... that's all.

I have raced cars for years... and am currently building a land speed car to race at Bonneville and the dry lakes.

Racing is one of those things that is exciting if you're doing it, but boring to watch.

Then again, I don't watch TV... so I'm not your average Joe-Six-pack with a Harley and a hot car who drinks beer, smokes cigars with his buddies on the weekend while he plays Texas Hold'em...

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You mean like almost every racing series...everywhere? Keep on hating.
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How about "North American Musclecar Racing Series"! Only Camaros, Challys and Mustangs, much like the Trans Am series but muscle cars only! Plenty of road courses around the country. Would be an awsome series to watch!
You are a little late with that Idea, see my post number 7...

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I think a Trans Am type series would do good now.. Many of the Nascar tracks now have a roadcourse in the infield... Maybe we should all write to Bruton Smith to start his own race series like that a t all his tracks.. I bet many would go see it...I know a few years ago he looked into starting a new Stock car series, similar to Nascar, when Nascar was holding back approving some of his tracks for a second race.. Now just may be the time if he gets enough feedback.

I can see it now, the "American Muscle Car Racing Series". AMCRS.
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If you want to see the Camaro in road racing, Stevenson Motorsports is going to be racing a heavily modified Camaro in the Grand Am Rolex series this coming season: http://www.stevensonmotorsports.com/ and Riley Technologies is racing a Camaro in the KONI Challenge. http://www.rileytech.com/
Of the two, the one in the KONI race series will be the closest to stock.
I was wondering when someone would get around to mentioning the Koni Challenge cars. Ladies and gents, there IS a stock car racing series much in the same vein as Trans Am and the original NASCAR racing.



There's also the NASA (National Auto Sport Association) events that run a wide range of classes, including the Camaro Mustang Challenge and American Iron. http://www.nasaproracing.com/

It's out there folks, and most are open for spectators
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You are a little late with that Idea, see my post number 7...
And you're a little late with that idea, since it already exists (see my post above)
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Just one of the many problems with NASCAR right now Scotty. (Don't call me a hater, because I'm not. I've been a NASCAR fan since I was 4. And I have about 15 Jeff Gordon legit diecasts in my room.) I even have some Camaro Concept diecasts with JG's paintjob. lol
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The Camaro is not the right fit for - oh, the most popular motorsports series in the country.


And that series wanted you to run it? And you said no thanks, we'll stick with grandma's grocery getter. Stop it your killing me.


The 48 just 4 peated the whole she-bang. Think that sold 1 more Impala?
Let alone trying to justify gazzillions in promotional spending. Please, name 1 person who just bought an Impala because of Mr. Johnson's awesomeness. Did sales spike up with a rush to see the new special edition 4 time champ commemmorative edition? Oh yeah, there wasn't one.

The Impalas sell great because it's a really nice car. 4 doors, plenty of room, comfy, great mileage... sweet commuter for Aunt Bess and dependable church wheels for G-Ma. My next door neighbor has one and she loves it. Swear to god, the only thing she has ever complained about is the rear spoiler. When she first bought it, I was checking it out with her and she kept saying - what is this stupid thing. I hate seeing it in my mirror. I mentioned it's a racing thing, and her mind couldn't comprehend that she just bought a race car. I gave up trying to explain the Nascar/Impala/Spoiler thing.

Could you imagine the special editions of a Camaro you could do as a tie in to Nascar? Hmmm... More than a handfull of the top team owners and drivers even own Chevrolet dealerships. Don't think some sort of Nascar or team inspired special edition Camaro would look sweat in those showrooms?

Nascar should have eased up on the templated cookie cutter cars, and the manufacturers should have got smart about putting the right models in there. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday has become meaningless. Thanks to a bunch of empty suits.

The big 3 should force the issue if they had any nuts in the sack. Tell Nascar, these are the 3 bodies, with minimal tweaks that we as manufacturers will pour millions of dollars into supporting your sport for.
Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, and who cares about Toyota - whatever they want to bring. Could you imagine the TV buzz and new viewership around watching the 3 pony cars back to doing battle.

But no, let's stick to templated grocery getters with different headlight decals in the top cup series and wonder where everyone went. 3 blind mice, 3 blind mice, see how they run...
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NASCAR!? hell no... glad it isnt. i might have to sell my car. you want real racing.... go take a look at MOTO GP, or world superbike. real men with real big testicles riding really fast bikes. bike racing, far and away is better than NASCAR...of course thats my educated opinion,lol.
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