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Old 01-22-2010, 07:40 PM   #26
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How come the Eibach are so much cheaper than the Hotchkis kits?
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Just looking at this thread, thought we would make a few comments. Please don't compare our parts to the low-cost solutions on the market. Historically, our suspension packages have never been the least expensive on the market. That's because we invest a huge amount of time and resources into product development and testing, plus we only use the best domestic materials.

For example, our Sport Spring development program for the 5th Gen Camaro took longer than most, because GM designed the spring with a large amount of pre-load from the factory. In testing, we have seen some aftermarket springs where at full droop you can literally push the spring right off the perch. We engineered a solution that fits like a factory spring but offers dramatically improved performance. We spent nearly five months (and multiple track tests) developing a spring where the coils go inside each other during compression, so at full droop it has pre-load like the factory. They offer a comfortable ride and improved performance, as well as a lower stance.

All that R&D means we have to charge a little more for our springs, but we can say with confidence that they are the best product on the market.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:14 PM   #27
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Does anyone have a pic of their camaro on 22s with a 1" drop? I wanna see if its low enough. The price is great, I am only lowering the car for looks, I am not concerned with the performance benefits.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:41 PM   #28
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Hi Guys,

Just looking at this thread, thought we would make a few comments. Please don't compare our parts to the low-cost solutions on the market. Historically, our suspension packages have never been the least expensive on the market. That's because we invest a huge amount of time and resources into product development and testing, plus we only use the best domestic materials.

For example, our Sport Spring development program for the 5th Gen Camaro took longer than most, because GM designed the spring with a large amount of pre-load from the factory. In testing, we have seen some aftermarket springs where at full droop you can literally push the spring right off the perch. We engineered a solution that fits like a factory spring but offers dramatically improved performance. We spent nearly five months (and multiple track tests) developing a spring where the coils go inside each other during compression, so at full droop it has pre-load like the factory. They offer a comfortable ride and improved performance, as well as a lower stance.

All that R&D means we have to charge a little more for our springs, but we can say with confidence that they are the best product on the market.
Thanks for chiming in! Can you comment on their claims of increased fuel economy and whether your product will result in the same? Thanks!
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:43 PM   #29
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That's a good point from Hotchkis, you generally get what you pay for. I have never seen springs that cheap aside from "e-bay specials", it does make a person wonder.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:59 PM   #30
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lol so you could buy any companies springs and sways. That has a 1 inch drop to gain that 13% mpg.

Sounds a little crazy, but it makes sense. In my car i could get up to 29-30 mpg on the freeway.
Hey did you get your car back from Turbonetics? If yes, how is the kit? I haven't seen any reports from you. PM me if you like!
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:18 PM   #31
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Hey did you get your car back from Turbonetics? If yes, how is the kit? I haven't seen any reports from you. PM me if you like!
Hey,
Yea i got my car back, but the turbo is not on the car at the moment. They took the kit off cause that was the only copy. So they are getting the kit made into production and then going to put the kit back on.

Takes a long time.... I CANT WAIT TILL ITS DONE!!! lol
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:24 PM   #32
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That's a good point from Hotchkis, you generally get what you pay for. I have never seen springs that cheap aside from "e-bay specials", it does make a person wonder.
There are several members here that have installed Eibach Prokit springs without a problem. I haven't read where any of them have been dissatisfied with their purchase. Yes they are probably the most least expensive but I think it has more to do with the fact that they mass produce them for just about every application. I've used them before and know of MANY people that have them and all have been completely satisified. Are the higher priced Pedders, Pfadt, Hotchkis better, probably but how do YOU define better? If you're going to be autoxing your car or something along those lines, the higher priced ones are probably better for you. If you want the nice 1in drop and improved handling for spirited driving, the Eibachs are more than capable. The same goes for the sways.
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:13 PM   #33
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how much does this kit lower the car if any?
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:30 PM   #34
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how much does this kit lower the car if any?
Did you read the advertisement.
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:52 PM   #35
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:05 AM   #36
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Hey,
Yea i got my car back, but the turbo is not on the car at the moment. They took the kit off cause that was the only copy. So they are getting the kit made into production and then going to put the kit back on.

Takes a long time.... I CANT WAIT TILL ITS DONE!!! lol
Man, they better put that kit back on or I'll be kicking some butt!
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:07 AM   #37
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:16 AM   #38
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There are several members here that have installed Eibach Prokit springs without a problem. I haven't read where any of them have been dissatisfied with their purchase. Yes they are probably the most least expensive but I think it has more to do with the fact that they mass produce them for just about every application. I've used them before and know of MANY people that have them and all have been completely satisified. Are the higher priced Pedders, Pfadt, Hotchkis better, probably but how do YOU define better? If you're going to be autoxing your car or something along those lines, the higher priced ones are probably better for you. If you want the nice 1in drop and improved handling for spirited driving, the Eibachs are more than capable. The same goes for the sways.
I agree....I had enough $$$ to install any spring/coilover package that is available and i chose the Eibach 1" spring kit. If i were going to be adjusting for different uses i would have went the coilover route.All i wanted was to remove the large well gap and gain a little better handling.Yes, the springs do stiffen the ride a little but not that bad and i bet that ALL brands of drop springs will also stiffen the ride a bit.Seems like some manufactures on these boards have begun to "put down" their competitors to make themselves look better when in reality any of the well known namebrands should work just fine for most users....Eibach,Hotchkis,Pfadt,H&R,Pedders,Detroit Speed,etc...Just my .02
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:55 AM   #39
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There are several members here that have installed Eibach Prokit springs without a problem. I haven't read where any of them have been dissatisfied with their purchase. Yes they are probably the most least expensive but I think it has more to do with the fact that they mass produce them for just about every application. I've used them before and know of MANY people that have them and all have been completely satisified. Are the higher priced Pedders, Pfadt, Hotchkis better, probably but how do YOU define better? If you're going to be autoxing your car or something along those lines, the higher priced ones are probably better for you. If you want the nice 1in drop and improved handling for spirited driving, the Eibachs are more than capable. The same goes for the sways.
I agree as well. I'm very happy with my Eibach springs and sways. They lower the car and it handles better for a very reasonable price. They have a video that shows their factory - they know what they are doing it seems. Esoteric? Nope but they've gotta be 70-80% of as good as it gets, I would think (I could be way off base here).
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Old 01-23-2010, 07:10 AM   #40
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Something does not add up, How does droping your car 1" inch and adding sway bars get you 13% (3mpg) increase. Something seems fishy.
Here is some semi technical info on it if your curious...( http://www.bentleypublishers.com/aut...ery-768-8.html)

You guys ever watch racing? The lower to the ground the more you can reduce drag. The less drag the better mileage. I really makes alot of sense. It will have no affect in town, open it up on the freeway for a few hours (167 miles) and you will quickly notice the change. These cars are engineered to work well in a vast array of scenarios. Higher ground clearance results in you being able to drive the car in town and into the grocery store w/o scraping everything as well as helping out the older market who don't want to sit on the floor and climb up to get out of a car. They have to make it viable for the largest market. They weren't designed w/ only mileage in mind or the would be getting far more that 25 already. Of course the add shows the best possible scenario, thats its job! I'm sure their course is in an area they can run higher speeds, it only makes sense.

Personally I appreciate the post and the data provided. I gives me a reason to consider the drop other than just looks. Thanks!
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Old 01-23-2010, 09:56 AM   #41
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I suspect that at least a portion of the FE gain is from the cars PCM adjusting during the breakin period. It is common knowledge among owners of 4th gen F-bodies that HP and FE were higher when measured at 2000 miles than at 100 odometer miles, and many have noted continued increases up to around 10000 miles.

The PCM keeps things (mixture & timing) more conservative during the breakin period, and I would assume that the 2010 Camaros work the same way. Upon reading this 13% claim, that's the first thing that popped into my head.

That being said, this looks like an excellent handling package for the money.
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:03 AM   #42
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Any issues with tire rub when lowering the Camaro?
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:40 AM   #43
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Are the sways hollow or solid?
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:43 PM   #44
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how much does this kit lower the car if any?
It lowers it 1". That spec was sort of obscure in the mileage write-up(2nd column, top page) instead of the kit feature where you would think it should be.

Oh and one other thing that annoys the hell out of me. How hard is it to help a fellow forum member with an answer instead of one of these ?
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:47 PM   #45
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167 miles is hardly enough to conclude the 13%

JMO.

What he said. +100.
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Old 01-23-2010, 02:50 PM   #46
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I got about 25 mpg on a 300 mile drive to Las Vegas going 75 mph on cruise. But my car has GFX. Its low enough already. imagine if I went 1 inch lower. I would be sweeping the road. But then again I would probably get 28 mpg... Maybe?
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:11 PM   #48
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I got about 25 mpg on a 300 mile drive to Las Vegas going 75 mph on cruise. But my car has GFX. Its low enough already. imagine if I went 1 inch lower. I would be sweeping the road. But then again I would probably get 28 mpg... Maybe?
If your car has the factory GFX it sits exactly the same height as any other Camaro.I have the factory GFX as well as the Eibach 1" springs and i am far from "sweeping the road" and still have more than enough room for my 305's(or 315's) on 11.5" wheels which are completely tucked inside the wells.
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Old 01-23-2010, 10:34 PM   #49
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I've had Eibach springs and bars installed for a couple of weeks now. I'm very satisfied with the looks and performance.

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Does anyone have a pic of their camaro on 22s with a 1" drop? I wanna see if its low enough. The price is great, I am only lowering the car for looks, I am not concerned with the performance benefits.
This is Nine Ball's car from PlanetLSX lowered with Pfadt springs on 22's

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